Video Hummus

I'm thinking GH6. I have higher doubts that there will be a GH7 in 4 years.

Oh, I'm mistaken. I thought canon had some investment into that company. Sorry about that.

I own a GH5S. It's brilliant. Low light is not a problem. DoF is really not a problem. I can shoot in C4K at 60p with a 1.8x crop factor. I have the creative freedom to shoot at 180 FPS for a particular shot. I can put a speedbooster on it and slap a Canon EF lens on it and have a 1.15x crop factor (a 70-200mm F2.8 will be a 80.5-230 F3.2 DoF)! I have a great lens selection, because I can adapt almost ANY LENS onto my camera! I have great built in preamps. I have a great native XLR hotshoe adapter for my camera. I have VERY useable autofocus for vlog style shots or something that doesn't need precision AF. I can slap on a 100-400mm f2.8-4 MFT (full frame eq.) telephoto lens that can fit in my f*king pocket and cost 80% the price and 40% the weight. Micro 4/3 is a great system. I think it's best strengths are in video, especially. I think thats why Olympus is a hard sell anymore. Look at the Kinefinity Terra 4K. It's got basically the same sensor as the GH5s / BMPC4K and can do up to 4K 100fps and 2K up to 240fps. The video is gorgeous. The mount options are extremely flexible. And it's under $10K. People that say M4/3 isn't good don't know what they're talking about or are so biased they can't admit there are things out there that rival whatever they like. It can do lowlight (and as sensors improve this won't be an argument anymore) It can do extreme telephoto inexpensively and without much bulk It has DoF advantages for telephoto shots It can be adapted to do shallow DoF if you need it It allows more creative frame rates in a smaller package (smaller sensor, less heat, etc...) It can do built in IBIS better than larger sensors (smaller sensor, less inertia, better IBIS...look at the Oly E1X for example...it's basically a built in gimbal) It can still take great photos It can take 50MP to 80MP photos of landscapes with Pixel shift tech. It can't do anything larger than 8K. It can't replicate exactly the "full frame look". It can't boost your ego if all you care about is sensor size. Yes, I'm a M4/3 fanboy because the GH5S is a great video camera. The mount is very flexible. The tech in the latest rounds of M4/3 cameras makes it even more flexible. But in general the entire M4/3 system has an image problem because people just can't seem to get over that tiny looking sensor. At the same time I can see the benefits of full frame cameras and I see advantages in owning both systems. I really wanted Panasonic to knock it out of the park with the S line. I hope they can improve upon the initial launch specs, because it looks like a great camera.

I think that’s more Panasonic justifying their use of DfD contrast detection than the downsides of PDaf because despite image artefacts the market says people don’t seem to care or notice (or at least prefer better AF over image artefacts). They must believe they have the capability to make DfD work. I think DfD af in the latest cameras does pretty good in most situations. I think as the processors get faster and AI rountines get better at tracking objects DfD might come into its own. Or Panasonic is developing something else in the meantime and doesn’t want to pay licensing fees to Sony to incorporate PDAf tech in their sensors which means higher margins for them. Its been good enough for me in the GH5s for when it made sense. Yes. I thinks it’s more Olympus dropping the ball a bit. Not that M4/3 is dead. I’m actually more sure we will see a video focused GH6 in the future. I agree. I was surprised with that agressive pricing. Maybe release high and offer high discounts?

I never said it would ruin all shots. Just specific ones. I find it hard to believe you had no issues because I’ve done the same on the A7iii and had some rolling shutter evident in the shot. The EOS R 4K RS is far worse and more likely to ruin fast moving shots. But it’s fine. You like your camera. Go shoot with it and make great content. Only camera gear heads like us care what something was shot on ? If RS didn’t matter we wouldn’t be measuring sensor read out speeds. Expensive cinema cameras wouldn’t have global shutters. And the EOS R would be a slightly better camera.

Nice. No mention if he was filming in 4K or 1080p. 4K is much worse. Have a vlogger use it (it’s got a flip screen right perfectly made for it) have them film in 4K. Whoops it’s got a 1.7x crop that even at 16-35mm will feel close. Have them walk around filming in 4K and you will feel like you are on acid in some whackey fun house mirror room every time they swing the camera to show you something. Take a nice ride on a train, a car, or a bus if you prefer. Film out the window in 4K. Doesn’t matter? Filming some birds in 4K. You track them as you pan with their flight. Enjoy the jello telephone polls, lamp posts, and trees. It matters.

Yes, as long as DPAF isn't crippled in some silly (canon) way and the TERRIBLE EOS R rolling shutter is improved, then yes it will be a good camera.

Seems to compete in price with the EOS R. Both the are in the $2400 range. Both have similarly expensively priced glass (canon's maybe a bit more intriguing to me) but I'd say the S1 is a better hybrid camera.

I respect your opinion and experience here. Much like with cars, it can go fast but still be an ugly car at the end of the day. The classics always have something special about them. I guess I just don't think I value that canon "special sauce" as much as you do for the prices they want for it. I think companies like Fuji and Panasonic are creeping up in this area with competitive products. I also think the "special sauce" is a decade or more of visual bias caused by watching A LOT of media shot on Canon cinema cameras. At the end of the day I think we are all constantly seeking confirmation that we have the best tool because we spent our hard earned money on it. Especially if we spent a lot and feel threatened by newer gear. I just prefer not to feed the canon segmentation machine.

A friend has one and so I’ve had some hands on time with it. He had only EF lenses because the RF ones cost a kidney. So that is my limit with it. The auto focus was worst than the 5DmIV and as a 1080p camera it was decent. But I’m not gonna pay 2500 for that shite in 2019. Yes it has canon colors. But imo, there are other great baked in colors form Panasonic and to an extent newer Sony bodies. The touch pad is a mistake in my opinion. I was poking fun after Peter sold it as his next camera because the limitations would make him a better professional ?‍♂️. Yet he doesn’t use it for anything but stills. That’s telling. Tony says it’s a great “family cam”. OKAY. The R is not as good as Canon could do. That’s the sad part and I think this RP is the same story.

The real question is, but when is Peter McKinnon switch to the EOS RP?

Yes they were and compared to other things on the market at the time they were considered “toy” cameras and Pro wannabes. All things considered with this camera, Panasonic did a good job here. I’m mean look at the EOS R. It’s a utter trash hybrid camera. Even the Dpaf in that thing isn’t quite as good as what I’ve seen with the S. I think panasonic did a bad job here with tempering people’s expectations of this camera and what it’s aimed at. Most people want a pretty good hybrid full frame option. Panasonic at least attempted it, unlike Canon. I hope Panasonic can make this a success. Otherwise we have less and, imho, worst options out there.

And yet the Z series was also a mixed bag with reviewers as well. We are spoiled for choice these days and yet “Pros” like Tony Northrop live stream what is effectively a “sh*t post” about a camera he hasn’t touched and recommends the GH5 as an alternative camera? What? The S series is a hybrid full frame. Panasonic’s first. They did a pretty good job from what I have seen. Does everybody remember the first Sony mirrorless cameras? My god...

Correct.

As long as those companies pay Sony to package their sensor features and capabilities, Sony will always be able to deliver more spec'd out products with CMOS sensors for cheaper.

8bit correct? I thought I saw that in the next firmware they will be adding ability to unlock 4K60p 10bit 4:2:0 internal recording and you only get the 10bit 4:2:2 with external.

Well you in luck because Panasonic has awesome track record of adding features in consistent firmware updates. It’s one of the reasons I prefer to buy Panasonic over other brands. I know they’ll keep it fresh for the users.

The S1 will get it in paid upgrade for V-Log and 4K 10-bit 60p internal.

Wed photo video did a preview of it and the autofocus in video was pretty stellar looking, as in it looked like a Sony or canon camera.

The Aputure Dec device is interesting but too expensive and bulky. I just want something that looks like a speed booster that has electronic contacts on both sides for electronic passthrough and an electronic ND powered off camera batteries. doesnt canon own metsbones? They could easily do this for their speedbooster.

Not a whole lot right now. ? G9 has 20MP sensor (same as the Gh5). More robust IBIS. Pixel shift technology for ultra high MP photos (80MP) for static scenes. It’s a GH5 Tweaked a bit for just photos. It still takes great video but has a recording limit. I was suggesting Panasonic shift the GH line to be video centric and keep the G line photo centric. As I believe the strength of M4/3 is in video and it’s less compelling in photos. Unless Panasonic can deliver a high megapixel sensor with good enough low light to be compelling against full frame. People want that shallow depth of field in their photos now and m4/3 is just not going to do it out of the box. They are the better street camera in my opinion though. Smaller lenses means more discreet. I would like to see Panasonic move the GH6 in the same direction as they moved the GH5S. Less but bigger mega pixels for better low light. Dual ISO. Internal ND ? HDMI type-A out. Kinda like what Sony does with the A7sii versus the A7Rii. Tune the M4/3 format for video capture. They obviously think full frame is the future for their photo professionals. A GH6 with a fixed 16MP sensor that super-samples 16MP down to a final 10MP 4K image for added noise reduction and killer electronic stabilization (GoPro 7 levels and better). The cinematic pros can flip a switch and turn off “IBIS” and have their fixed sensor and 5K anamorphic modes. Improve the dual iso performance. Include next generation DfD AF. Support 4K 120p without a crop. Better codecs, better flip screen, better weather sealing. Offer a better ND solution (internal or via adapter). Anything is better than screw on lens NDs. That’s a great gimbal but on the heavy side. A Moza Air Cross 3 is a nice, light feature rich gimbal that I would recommend. I wish DJI would release a Ronin-S mini or something.

A GH5S + a light gimbal (I’ve had my eye on Icecam Vision 3; anyone have experience with it?) is a killer combo that does almost everything well except maybe extreme DOF and if you need that then a speedbooster will fix it. In my opinion you can’t beat the versatility of a good m4/3 camera for video like the GH5(s) series. Almost any lens can be adapted to it. It offers a great balance between DOF and lightness/size of lenses and, when you need it, can be adapted to get the look you want. Every time. panasonic would do well to recognize this and deliver the GH6 as a full fledged video monster. Forget the photo quality. The G9 is better in that regard.

Wow, I can’t believe Olympus dropped the ball on this one. This was their chance to prove they could pack enough compelling features into a M4/3 camera to justify the price point of $3000. If they had electronic ND, 4K/60p and amazing IBIS it would have a chance in the video world. Everybody wants the Pro full frame look now in photos. It’s over. If Panasonic doesn’t release a killer M4/3 camera with these features then I’m afraid GH5S will be the last m4/3 camera I buy. I’ll give up sensor size for compelling features any day. Stop adding compelling features....what’s the point.

Consumers might have 8K TVs but how many will be playing 8K content on them? It’s not the screen sizes it’s the cost of storage and data transfer rates that drive resolutions. They start to become quite expensive once you reach 8K. But I’m sure Samsung or LG would love to sell you that 7 foot 8K television to hang on your wall for bragging rights.

I would really hope Panasonic considers adding this to at least their GH5S cameras. It is a cinema-lite camera after all.