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I agree with @SRV1981. Totally fair for Andrew to decide what is or isn't posted in his forum by deleting content or adding editor's notes, but I don't think it's good practice to change what a user wrote. @SRV1981 did not post the content that it looks like he posted and I think users should have the right to not be misrepresented as saying something they didnt, even if they don't pay hosting fees. I don't pay hosting fees on Facebook either.
And I know in this case it's not life or death. I'm just saying I would be annoyed if my username was labeled as the author of something I didn't write or post.

I agree with @SRV1981. Totally fair for Andrew to decide what is or isn't posted in his forum by deleting content or adding editor's notes, but I don't think it's good practice to change what a user wrote. @SRV1981 did not post the content that it looks like he posted and I think users should have the right to not be misrepresented as saying something they didnt, even if they don't pay hosting fees. I don't pay hosting fees on Facebook either.
And I know in this case it's not life or death. I'm just saying I would be annoyed if my username was labeled as the author of something I didn't write or post.

I agree with @SRV1981. Totally fair for Andrew to decide what is or isn't posted in his forum by deleting content or adding editor's notes, but I don't think it's good practice to change what a user wrote. @SRV1981 did not post the content that it looks like he posted and I think users should have the right to not be misrepresented as saying something they didnt, even if they don't pay hosting fees. I don't pay hosting fees on Facebook either.
And I know in this case it's not life or death. I'm just saying I would be annoyed if my username was labeled as the author of something I didn't write or post.

I agree with @SRV1981. Totally fair for Andrew to decide what is or isn't posted in his forum by deleting content or adding editor's notes, but I don't think it's good practice to change what a user wrote. @SRV1981 did not post the content that it looks like he posted and I think users should have the right to not be misrepresented as saying something they didnt, even if they don't pay hosting fees. I don't pay hosting fees on Facebook either.
And I know in this case it's not life or death. I'm just saying I would be annoyed if my username was labeled as the author of something I didn't write or post.

So you run a forum and can just change the content of a thread because you dislike the source? What an odd culture 

Last week I tested my nikon ai 50mm from the 70s against a modern Irix 45mm, which is not a particularly cheap lens. At f1.4, the irix is clearly sharper and optically better in every way. But by f4 the only difference is that the irix is warmer, no appreciable difference in sharpness, CA, distortion, etc.
A decently made nifty fifty from the 80s can be pretty damn good, if it doesn't need to be super fast!

Nice! It's always nice to see what people are making.
In terms of matching color, I feel that the recent Dune movies were mostly less saturated. But I love the hyper-stylization you have here, too.

Last week I tested my nikon ai 50mm from the 70s against a modern Irix 45mm, which is not a particularly cheap lens. At f1.4, the irix is clearly sharper and optically better in every way. But by f4 the only difference is that the irix is warmer, no appreciable difference in sharpness, CA, distortion, etc.
A decently made nifty fifty from the 80s can be pretty damn good, if it doesn't need to be super fast!

100%
It can't be understated what a powerful factor having a massive user base is when it comes to choosing a camera. 
I'll happily take a 15% worse camera if it has 5x more users. 
Is why a Sony FX30 will probably be my next camera (if I even get another camera next year). 
As everyone and their dog has a Sony camera. You have to seriously beat Sony on price and/or features to make a person consider anything else. (although Canon gets an honorable mention when it comes to popularity, and Blackmagic does ok in their little indie niche) 
It's also why back when I first started with photography I went for a Nikon D50. Just didn't make sense to consider Pentax / Sony / Olympus / etc, as you can't just be better/cheap than Nikon/Canon. You need to be a lot better/cheaper. 
At the very least, Panasonic needs to be price competitive against the likes of the a7mk2 (which is still being sold brand new!) / Sony a7C / Canon EOS RP
It's too much to think Panasonic will ever undercut them in price, but at least be within a couple of hundred dollars of them!
 
Yup, it's not just camera bodies that need to be price competitive to grow the number of new photographers/videographers into the ecosystem, but the lenses too. 
Look at their prices for L Mount:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Mirrorless-Camera-Lenses/ci/17912/N/4196380428?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH&filters=fct_a_focus-type_5738%3Aautofocus%2Cfct_lens-format-coverage_3332%3Afull-frame-lenses%2Cfct_lens-mount_3442%3Aleica-l-mount%2Cfct_lenses-kits_7315%3Alenses-only 
Cheapest is a $350 prime. Next cheapest from Panasonic is their new compact kit zoom at $500!
Compare that with Canon, who have four lenses which are cheaper than Panasonic's cheapest. 
Nikon has also four (well arguably "two") lenses cheaper than Panasonic's cheapest. And a zoom cheaper than Panasonic's cheapest zoom. 
(none of this is counting the various third party lenses either, of which there are for more for them than there are for L Mount)
Ideally I'd like Panasonic to do something such as a 50mm f2 lens for $160-ish, and a 28mm f2.8 pancake lens for sub $300
And a medium range zoom (24-90mm ish that is f4 ish) that's cheaper than any of their current zooms. 
That will fill in some big gaps in the entry level starting out lens kit, to make Panasonic competitive again. 

Based on focal length alone, I'd rather have 18-40. No idea about optical quality, but I've often found 28mm to be too long for landscapes, and it's pretty easy to crop if I need a 50mm FOV.
However I'm also going to make a guess that the R8 is more comfortable to hold. I don't particularly like the grip shape on the S5 series. I miss handling the NX1.

Based on focal length alone, I'd rather have 18-40. No idea about optical quality, but I've often found 28mm to be too long for landscapes, and it's pretty easy to crop if I need a 50mm FOV.
However I'm also going to make a guess that the R8 is more comfortable to hold. I don't particularly like the grip shape on the S5 series. I miss handling the NX1.

Since many people already own usb c cables, packing a new one with every gadget results in a lot of waste. The reasoning is that not including a cable and charger with every product will both save millions of cables from being thrown out, and save a lot of packaging material since the box can be smaller. When people need cables they can buy one separately. I personally think it's great to standardize cables and not include them by default.

I agree it would be nice to have an s1h ii announcement, but unless a competitor makes something better, I'm not too concerned. I used the nx1 for 3 or 4 years after samsung left the market, so it will likely be years before I think about a new camera regardless.
The s9 would be nice for me if it had an evf. I could use a smaller photo camera for backpacking.

I agree it would be nice to have an s1h ii announcement, but unless a competitor makes something better, I'm not too concerned. I used the nx1 for 3 or 4 years after samsung left the market, so it will likely be years before I think about a new camera regardless.
The s9 would be nice for me if it had an evf. I could use a smaller photo camera for backpacking.

I wonder if the main issue that Panasonic faces now is that they simply don't have access to a new sensor that exceeds the one they've been using, at an affordable price. There's only so much you can do if your sensor supplier doesn't have a new model. Remember that the current 24 MP sensor is used by many companies, and is really good. There are very few features that would get me to upgrade from an S5 that don't involve a new sensor (such as 32 bit audio or a decent app)--and they are so niche to small-crew videographers, that the market must be minuscule.
The market share numbers are really a shame. Panasonic killed it with the GH and S series feature sets for a long time. I wonder what percent of sales are from people who do basic research like available lenses, upgrade paths, etc. As @Phil A, lack of lenses is a big downside for L mount for enthusiasts--but what percent of buyers ever get more than the kit lens? How about more than 2 lenses? What percent think, "L mount has no lenses" but never buy more than 2 lenses anyway? I really have no idea, I just wonder the true impact.
There is some hope on that front, though. Sigma's lenses are wildly good for their prices. And with Samyang joining in, there might be more low end lenses in the next few years.

On the whole I agree with you, and it's not that I'm missing anything major, so I'll keep plugging along on the S5iix's.
But there are little things that get annoying shoot after shoot. 
Also would have been nice to have a clean and clear upgrade path.

Wow. It sounds like everyone is giving up on Panasonic. Not me. I get the disappointment—no S1H II—but you still have to hand it to them for taking a different path of fewer camera updates and more firmware updates. Granted, they've seemingly screwed the pooch on two successive events: the S9 and the S9 firmware update. It seems this was mainly an attempt at a re-release of the S9, responding to the many complaints about it. Given the hardware they put in it, I think it's successful. No, it doesn’t have an EVF, mechanical shutter, or hot shoe, but they did address other issues. The new 18-40mm lens isn’t exactly God’s gift to lenses, but it's a good start to the lineup. Now, we need to see smaller primes for it to make some sense.
Personally, I won’t leave Panasonic now, nor will I entertain the idea for some time. I don’t see the point in chasing the latest and greatest without any serious need for the features they offer, and I intend to reward the company for continuing to make improvements. Sony offers firmware—it’s called a 'new camera.' Canon offers firmware when people complain enough. Nikon releases cameras and apparently forgets to check if they work as intended. Fuji used to issue major firmware updates, but now they just mess up their cameras. Panasonic is the only one giving a slow, methodical release schedule. Sure, their cameras don’t always hit home and their marketing is wacky, but I don’t see the snafus of other companies. I imagine they are proud of the cameras they release, and they’re probably equally proud of the cameras they haven’t released due to not being ready.

I can't help but feel panasonic didn't do anything wrong here. They had a small announcement, so they didn't hype it. The only hype was the outlandish rumors a bunch of people started throwing around. There was no reason to believe there would be a big cinema announcement... if panasonic had a big announcement, they would have hyped it themselves.
What we got was a bunch of firmware updates, a refresh of a low end camera, and a pretty cool new compact lens. I'd actually love their new 18-40 for backpacking trips. Again, if they had indicated in the slightest that there would be a major announcement, that would be a different story.
Kind of amazing if people get disappointed that the thing they made up didn't happen. 

My comment was exclusively about todays live stream, which was very low key and routine for some mundane items.
But in the larger picture, its true that in the past few years, panasonic has exclusively released mid budget full frame cameras. They haven't competed with the $4300 R5 for sure. So if we are talking about the >$3500-ish market, Panasonic may be out. But in the $1500-$2500 market, I don't see anything that is noticeably more appealing than what panasonic offers, except maybe the quite recent Nikon Z6III, specifically if you care about readout speed.
Like I said in the other topic, it may be the case that there simply isn't a better sensor that is reasonably priced right now. It's not like the competition has better sensors in similar priced bodies.

I hope that they do announce that the S1H2 will be appearing in 2025 as well a strong hint about the specs, even if tomorrow is really to announce lesser stuff.
The Panasonic line up has been the best bang for buck video kit for a number of years. It's versatile, reliable and enjoyable to use. It'd be a real shame if they don't follow up on the success of the S5mk2/X.

On the S5, the difference between 8 and 10 bit is very obvious. I shot a scene twice, once with 8 bit 100 Mbps (93 Mbps actual), and once with 10 bit 75 Mbps (66 Mbps actual). Both clips have a color space transformation to Rec709, but no other adjustments. The amount of color noise and weird color in 8 bit is very high, and is almost nonexistent in 10 bit. Viewed at 100% scale in motion in my normal viewing condition, it's apparent that "something is off" particularly in skin tones (I did tests facing the camera, too, which I'm not posting). To me, this is part of the "thick" color that people talk about: pure tones without posterized splotches of color noise, which gets worse with saturation.
Now clearly this is something to do with the encoder, since the output images that I am posting here are both 8 bit PNGs. So I'm not going to make universal statements, but I will say that on every camera that I have ever used, I get nearly the same result.


 
You can see the difference everywhere in the image, but particularly notice the evenness of the skin on my arm, the black on the t-shirt, the plain green wall, and the deepness of the brown on the wood on the darker parts of the piano. Is this enough of a difference for average audience members to notice, even subconsciously? Probably not. However, I do notice it consciously, and considering the 10 bit file looks better AND is 25% smaller file size, I would never choose 8 bit on this camera.

...aren't all camera rumors written by children?

Agreed--if I had the production budget to make the backgrounds beautiful, I would never have anything out of focus! (Small exaggeration)
Some of my favorite scenes and shots, for example
Once Upon a Time in the West
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbcb910b2-4302-4b6b-b8e1-c52220adeaa4_1200x500.jpeg
Barry Lyndon
https://sbiff.org/wp-content/uploads/barry-lyndon-1080x675.jpg
 
It's very genre dependent, too. I love sci fi and fantasy, both of which have spectacle and world building that is often best accomplished with very wide establishing shots.
Lord of the Rings - The wide shots of Helm's Deep not only serve as beautiful spectacle in their own right, but also display the layout of the fortress in a way that makes the ensuring battle comprehensible. There's this one I linked, but if I recall there's also a few beautiful crane shots right over the keep leading into conversations about the defenses.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/d/d3/Helm's_Deep_-_TtT.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190705232343
Star Wars - Our first glimpse of Coruscant (not sure if this screenshot is the first time we see it) communicates so much about the planet.
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/Coruscant-Gallery-1_d654d3d0.jpeg?region=100%2C91%2C1000%2C563
On the other hand, personal dramas sometimes don't need as much pure visual setting, or are obvious enough that it's not needed. If our hero lives in an apartment, do we need to see the outside first, or is it very well understood what type of space it is without it?

Agreed--if I had the production budget to make the backgrounds beautiful, I would never have anything out of focus! (Small exaggeration)
Some of my favorite scenes and shots, for example
Once Upon a Time in the West
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbcb910b2-4302-4b6b-b8e1-c52220adeaa4_1200x500.jpeg
Barry Lyndon
https://sbiff.org/wp-content/uploads/barry-lyndon-1080x675.jpg
 
It's very genre dependent, too. I love sci fi and fantasy, both of which have spectacle and world building that is often best accomplished with very wide establishing shots.
Lord of the Rings - The wide shots of Helm's Deep not only serve as beautiful spectacle in their own right, but also display the layout of the fortress in a way that makes the ensuring battle comprehensible. There's this one I linked, but if I recall there's also a few beautiful crane shots right over the keep leading into conversations about the defenses.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lotr/images/d/d3/Helm's_Deep_-_TtT.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190705232343
Star Wars - Our first glimpse of Coruscant (not sure if this screenshot is the first time we see it) communicates so much about the planet.
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/Coruscant-Gallery-1_d654d3d0.jpeg?region=100%2C91%2C1000%2C563
On the other hand, personal dramas sometimes don't need as much pure visual setting, or are obvious enough that it's not needed. If our hero lives in an apartment, do we need to see the outside first, or is it very well understood what type of space it is without it?

I don't see how the external recorder market can be sustained. I used a Ninja Star around 2015 with the 5D3 and whatever A7 version we were on, and even back then with the clear visual benefit of ProRes, the ridiculousness of using a HDMI cable and bolting a box on the camera was apparent. At that time, anyone could tell that external recorders were a short term investment--never more than one or two generations ahead of internal recording specs. If I worked at Atomos, I'd push leadership to build some new products.
Edit: I suppose Atomos does make decent monitors which will continue to be a market. However, I wouldn't call them the top of the tech game, even for that, compared to a lot of the monitors with builtin wireless these days.