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31 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

Well if you don't want BRAW, or to use Davinci for much of your work, I wouldn't advise you to pick up this camera.  Thankfully there are other choices, which will work better for your needs.  C70 for instance.  Its more designed  for quick turn around jobs.

Yeah but a C70 is out of my price range! Especially with less work in 2020 and so far this year.

I just love how FCPX's timeline works for quick stuff. Just personal choice.

3 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

The only issue of course would be if you used another programme other than Davinci, though Premiere supports BRAW.  

I use FCPX, Premiere and Resolve but I much prefer FCPX for any quick turnover stuff. It's just a really slick experience. I dislike Premiere and I'm only really starting out with Resolve but it seems quite good but just overkill for most of my jobs.

3 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

No, ProRes is limited to 4K crop.  To get 6K you need to use BRAW. 

That's a shame because using raw for quick turnover projects could become a problem.

I don't know if has been noted or not but can the camera record 6K in Prores? That would be another importante factor if it is really a "Pro" line. Same with Raw in 4K.

3 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

How would anyone here actually know the answer to this question?  If only I bought 100 Pocket 4Ks back in the day, I could easily tell you something like 1 in 20 are faulty. 🙄 

I mean, is it something "reasonably " common. Because with my GH5 and GH5S I haven't had any real problems nor with the Canon C100. But I have heard other scary stories with BM, which is a shame as the camera looks interesting. 

* I use dual recording all the time. Don't want a card ruining a one chance shot or interview.

46 minutes ago, TomTheDP said:

Sounds like a lemon to me. 

How common are "lemons"? A serious question.

17 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

An exaggeration surely.  A long list... really.  I have a short list.  Some addressed by this new camera. 

What exactly is this long list you see?  Do tell? 

Yes, some users have had issues.  QC is a BM problem.  But many others have not reported the same issues that others have.  My Pocket 4K has been very reliable for me.  Poor battery life, screen in sunlight and no tilt being my primary concerns. 

I had more issues with some of my Panasonic cameras than the Pocket 4K.  

I have only used a BMPCC4K once and it was a nightmare. It turned itself off, out of nowhere stopped recording normal clips and just recorded 1 second clips. Then it started working again. Random stuff. It was a rental but I know the owner and he said that had never happed before. Scarred me off BM. Really nice image though.

If the BMPCC6K Pro has got rid of those reliability problems it could be very interesting as everything else looks good. Can it do dual recording? I mean, I know it has various ways to record but could I record on SD and Cfast at the same time?

11 minutes ago, crevice said:

Every time I tell myself to step away, I get sucked back in. Yes you will get more DR out of the C70. Let me tell you straight from the horses mouth. I have owned a C200, pocket 4k, pocket 6k, and ursa mini. I now own a C70 and it has more DR than all of them. The C70 is far superior to my C200, CLOG 2 and color grading 10 bit footage is way better than 8 bit footage or canons heavy raw lite - which is not lite at all. Your statement says C200/C300  users say they dont think the image is better, but that statement itself is confusing. The C300 is the same sensor so of course it isnt any better... The c70 destroys my c200. I am not saying its the best camera for everyone and I am not trying to fanboy all over this thread by saying all other cameras suck. But some of the comments on here are underselling a true workhorse of a camera in the C70 and are kinda downplaying how amazing the DGO sensor is.

I think many pros would love a C70 but it's expensive. So 2 BM 6K pros probably makes more sense

This does look like a really interesting camera.

2 things for me will be key, reliability and whether ProRes will be available in 6k.

I would have preferred 2 sd slots, or 2 cf slots rather than mix and match. I like dual recording* 

*does anyone know if you can record on both Cf and SD at the same time?

Does the A7SIII have punch in to check autofocus whilst filming? I believe the FX3 does. That'd be a big plus.

Any ergonomics that help the camera work like a cine/video camera instead of a stills camera that shoots video would also be great.

So what will be the big differences between this and the A7Siii? Let's see that comparison list!

2 minutes ago, Trankilstef said:

No mechanical IBIS would maybe make possible the integration of a built-in VND. That would be awesome. 

And I suppose if the camera records the gyro info like the A7c and A7Siii then do we need IBIS?

Looks good but no IBIS seems strange. The joystick position reminds me of the C100 which is a good thing! Control with your thumb on the grip.

If it's under 4000€ it could be interesting.

eND, GH5S or better lowlight, best IBIS, 10 bit 4k 50p and 6k 25p and Sony class AF. There's your winner

*It goes without saying that there'd be no extra crop and all the other stuff we love.

At present I'm keeping my GH5 and GH5S for streaming and some 2 camera jobs along with the 12-35 2.8 and 35-100 2.8.

I have already sold my Sigma 18-35. The Speedbooster and my Voigtlanders are on sale. I'm going to put the 10-25mm up for sale to. Really great kit but as I had to buy a Sony A7iii for client work I'm thinking about going all in on Sony. 

I love those Panasonics but I would need a really good reason to trust that m43 has a future. I'd suggest that someone tell Panasonic that they need a very clear GH6 announcement very soon before many others jump ship.

You are going to spend a long time looking for "photos" in the video files. I did this as a favour for a couple who's uncle (retired photographer) was the photographer. His camera jammed just as the dance begun. Wouldn't start again. My shots looked fine as video but as photos they lacked detail. They were 4K from GH5. It just takes ages picking out frames.

I think maybe 6k FF would work better

I don't know if there are offers on the A7iii in the UK but here in Spain I just bought an A7iii with the 50 1.8 for 2100€ (more or less). There is a 400€ cash back offer until 31 January. So once I discount my VAT (I'm a freelancer) and get the cash back the camera and lens como in about 1300€

29 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Mmmm....I could use either of the Ursas they have as I'll just be testing code but for the extra €39 I might as well go large and rent the 12K !

Thanks for your help.

No problem! If you need help with anything in Madrid then let me know. 

10 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I'm after renting an Ursa Mini Pro or a G2, do you have any recommendations where I can rent one in Madrid post plague ?

There you go:

https://www.falcofilms.com/es/145/id_cat-277/Cámaras.html?id_tree=277

This other company doesn't have those cameras but it does have others that might be of interest one day.

https://visualrent.es/categoria-producto/alquiler-camaras-cine-video-foto/

52 minutes ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

Sometimes you've got to jump on a good deal and it seems like you made a smart move. I'm hoping my purchase of the UMP was made under the same sort of rationalization. Admittedly, as it's out for delivery today I've felt both relief and remorse haha. If I choose to keep it, I'll have to make similar steps to finance it, probably meaning selling my Nocticron and BMPCC4K to at least take a chunk out of the cost. Best of luck to you in the coming year!

Cheers! Good luck with your sales and purchases! I had a week of troubled sleep before making up my mind! 

Just bought an A7iii. Not because I really want it or rate it. I had a last opportunity to discount VAT (IVA here), the camera with a 50 1.8 cost 2100€ but with a 400€ cashback from Sony. Then discounting the VAT it comes in around 1350€. Why the A7iii? Because I have a new client and they only use Sony so hopefully it means more work (I've been told that if I had had a Sony I would have had several shoots in October and November). I just informed them of the purchase and they've just confirmed the first shoot of the year, so seems a good choice. Seriously thought about the A7Siii but I don't think this year is the time to splash out.

To finance this I have sold my GX85, Sigma 18-35 1.8 and a Sigma 50-150 2.8. I'm also selling a Canon 18-135, 2 Voigtlanders and 2 Edlekrone sliders. This will give me enough to purchase a Tamron 28-75 2.8 or a Sigma 24-70 2.8 for the Sony. I might well sell my 10-25 1.7 Lumix as well if I like the Sony enough.

I will keep my GH5 and GH5S with the 12-35 2.8 and 35-100 2.8, XLR adapter etc for streaming and long form recordings. Lenses are easy enough to rent cheaply in Madrid if I need one.

So for me it's about rationalising my gear choices. If the Sony works out well for me I'd consider a A7iv depending on needs, specs and price.

P.S. What I really wanted to buy was the Panasonic S5 but I couldn't justify it rationally!

Basically the world has become some kind of crazy B-movie mix of They Live, The Crazies and a Brave New world but told in an Instagram Stories/TikTok bite sized chunks manner so that we will never understand or care about the big picture. Whilst we are distracted by all this, 99.9% of us will become poorer and the environment will finally be completely trashed.

15 minutes ago, TheBoogieKnight said:

I think the question is do you need 4k/120, the amazing AF and access to a wider selection of lenses? Two Panasonic S1s here but I'm seriously thinking of adding an SIII just for those things. I don't think the image quality will necessarily be as good but probably not too far off. I love my S1s in pretty much every way (other than a lack of 3k/60 10-bit which is coming in an update).

Good points. I hardly ever use 100fps (PAL world!) The AF looks amazing on the Sonys. With my GH5/GH5S I really just use back button focus to get a shot in focus. I don't do too much tracking or focus racking. Lens selection is a problem, it's true. 

Anyone used both the S5 and the Sony A7Siii? My heart says S5 as an upgrade from the GH5 but I have a client who only uses Sony and having a Sony could mean more work. But I've hardly ever seen anything that I like shot on a Sony DSLR (colours and texture). Whilst I'm loath to have 2 systems I'm thinking of maybe just getting an A7iii with a Tamron 28-70 to get work with this particular client (agency with lots of clients) and getting a S5 for my own jobs for my clients (events, weddings etc). Other than the AF on the Sonys (amazing) I'm just not convinced they are better than Panasonic.

I'd be selling all by m43 gear (GH5, GH5S, loads of lenses etc) and would take advantage of being able to discount all VAT.

Any thoughts are helpful!

90% video 10% photo. Lots of run and gun and I like to get everything right in camera for minimal tweaking in post.