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DR of course is not world leading....



In less-than-ideal light is not great, but I would say better than the 1 inch that is surprising.

You can see from the motion blur that probably it was 1/60 or less (no ND of course), but still some details in me and the bike..

 




Compared to 1 inch:








In quality is definitely a big step forward, I honestly did not expect this much. I think a combination of more pixel, double bitrate and improvement in processing made it possible.

Here an iPhone 15 Pro Max 4k screen grab.... 
 

Unfortunately, it is a consumer device. @kye I agree with you that they should do a pro model, ideally dual 1 inch, SD UHS-III, 800+ Mbits, 10 bit LOG and better DR.

With the revival of VR (Vision Pro, Quest 3) there may be more demand for VR180 and 360 content that may push Insta to create a pro model and maybe even 180 3D one.... time will tell....

Anyway, finally there is a noticeable step forward in quality after years of stagnation....

DR of course is not world leading....



In less-than-ideal light is not great, but I would say better than the 1 inch that is surprising.

You can see from the motion blur that probably it was 1/60 or less (no ND of course), but still some details in me and the bike..

 




Compared to 1 inch:








In quality is definitely a big step forward, I honestly did not expect this much. I think a combination of more pixel, double bitrate and improvement in processing made it possible.

Here an iPhone 15 Pro Max 4k screen grab.... 
 

In good light the X4 is just on another planet compared to the 1 inch.

Is not apple to apple as is the same location, mount but different time of the year but still I could never get such details from the 1 inch or the R. Just look at the mountains in the background and the detail on me....


Unprocessed screen grab from 8k 30, 200 mbits, sharpening low


Processed X4




Processed 1 inch from 5.7 30



I will compare also in low light, but for a first quick look I feel they both look similarly bad 😉 

In good light the X4 is just on another planet compared to the 1 inch.

Is not apple to apple as is the same location, mount but different time of the year but still I could never get such details from the 1 inch or the R. Just look at the mountains in the background and the detail on me....


Unprocessed screen grab from 8k 30, 200 mbits, sharpening low


Processed X4




Processed 1 inch from 5.7 30



I will compare also in low light, but for a first quick look I feel they both look similarly bad 😉 

In good light the X4 is just on another planet compared to the 1 inch.

Is not apple to apple as is the same location, mount but different time of the year but still I could never get such details from the 1 inch or the R. Just look at the mountains in the background and the detail on me....


Unprocessed screen grab from 8k 30, 200 mbits, sharpening low


Processed X4




Processed 1 inch from 5.7 30



I will compare also in low light, but for a first quick look I feel they both look similarly bad 😉 

I just got mine 1h ago, boy they were fast in delivering.
I will go for an MTB ride in 1h and test it out a bit and report back.

First thing I did is to set it to 8k 30, highbitrate and sharpens to low.

I just sold my trusted 2 years old 1 inch 360 (I still have 2 normal 1 inch + dual lens) and ordered the X4 for the same price. 
From the paid "reviews" it seems that the X4 has more details and less artifacts, the biggest issue I have with the 1 inch but without trying myself I don't trust to much these reviews.

Lowlight I think they are all quite bad and not really usable, already skiing on north faces in shade in Alaska the 1 inch breaks apart compared to south faces in sunshine.  1 inch sun vs shade:





The X4 is 20% lighter, smaller and better weatherproof so if it turns out to really deliver a bit better detail and less artifacts, I'm happy.

I will let you know if it is really an improvement or not over the 1 inch. Ideally, they should do a X4 Pro with 8k and 2x 1 inch.... let's hope it comes in the future.

For me to upgrade.....

Must have:
8k 60 RAW with AF and Aperture control using the internal battery
Waveform while recording
No time limits
Better IBIS for video
Face AF within an AF Zone like the R3
 
Nice to have:
Zoom-in while video playback or at least when paused on a frame... why does no C line nor R line have it?!?
LUT applied on video playback
Better DR
Better RS
Peaking while in AF mode
Sharper 4k 120
4k 120 with audio
Less lag wifi video transmission
Easier phone-camera connection.... it is a mess at the moment they should copy insta360 approach that always work.


I'm dreaming:
Dual CFExpress
Two USB-C ports
USB-C no lag video to iPhone so can be used as a screen without additional HW that make no sense...
Low latency bluetooth audio 
Full HDMI port
32 bit float audio

Wireless mic support (RODE or DJI or your Canon developed transmitter)

Dual tripod socket, this is so basic not sure why no camera manufactured do this.

4k 240

I just sold my trusted 2 years old 1 inch 360 (I still have 2 normal 1 inch + dual lens) and ordered the X4 for the same price. 
From the paid "reviews" it seems that the X4 has more details and less artifacts, the biggest issue I have with the 1 inch but without trying myself I don't trust to much these reviews.

Lowlight I think they are all quite bad and not really usable, already skiing on north faces in shade in Alaska the 1 inch breaks apart compared to south faces in sunshine.  1 inch sun vs shade:





The X4 is 20% lighter, smaller and better weatherproof so if it turns out to really deliver a bit better detail and less artifacts, I'm happy.

I will let you know if it is really an improvement or not over the 1 inch. Ideally, they should do a X4 Pro with 8k and 2x 1 inch.... let's hope it comes in the future.

The first thing I checked?
....and the last thing I checked.
I've posted practically the same thing on every one of these releases, but the principle remains.  If you crop in to the image, like 99.99% of shots will be, then the resolution doesn't matter, the bitrate does.
8K at 200Mbps cropped to a 90 degree FOV (about a 24mm lens) is 2K at around 12Mbps.

You can't really go wrong with both systems. Today Z8 is probably the best bang for the bucks.

I shoot with R5 and R5c since the release I'm very happy, you can search my posts here tons of discussion.
R5 overheating is a thing of the past, this summer I was shooting under the sun 8k 25 RAW with on top an iphone 13 pro max in 4k... and the iphone shut down due to overheating and the R5 kept going...
Having said this I think we will se a new R5 early next year as is now more than 3.5 years old.... so not the best moment to buy it. I think R1 will also show up in first half but who knows.
R3 is an amazing camera but I don't want to go back to 24mpix and non 8k video.
My preferred one is the R5c but once you decide Nikon vs Canon we can go deeper in the differences.

Canon has some unique zooms that you may find interesting for your job:
RF 24-105 2.8 (optional power zoom) with one lens you maybe able to cover most of your need.
RF 28-70 2.0, I love this lens, no more primes to carry around, switching lens, etc. Sold all my primes other than a el cheapo 16 2.8.
RF 70-200 2.8, some love it some not due that is an extending design, but is super small and light weight, I use mine on gimbal quite a bit.
RF 100-300 2.8 cost a fortune but is great for sports.

With two super expensive lenses and a 1 TC you can cover almost everything 24-105 2.8 100-300 2.8

If you even plan to acquire or rent cinema cameras, canon RF mount lenses may be a better choice than Z lenses as both Canon and RED have, and will have cinema camera with this mount.

I was in Lapland 2 weeks ago and I'm now in Alaska.
If you don't have them yet buy a great pair of glows with inner glows so you can take out the first layer without exposing your bare skin to the helmets.
Filming yourself -> Insta360 One X3
Filming others -> Gopro Hero 12 or Insta360 Ace Pro
 


 

I do tons of snowboard and ski videos but the first key question do you want to film yourself (helmet, selfistick, etc) or film others (follow cam) ?
Btw all insta360 cameras have a single button mode, one long press it turns on and record, one long press again stop recording and shuts down. If I recall correctly gopros have it too.

It's easy to tell...
When you look in the mirror do you see a long majestic flowing magnificent beard?
If so, then you might be Ironfilm, or potentially a member of ZZ Top, but if not then it's ruled out definitively.

i like to be anonymous. otherwise, people may lurck into my home, destroying all gears, because i dare to challenge the 24p sacristy. lol. just a joke. 

Thanks @kyeand I should clarify that it was my bad for seeing all the hype around R5's IBIS vs the R5C's DIS and not taken the time to fully understand exactly what each system did/didn't do.
The thing is, when lens IS first came on the scene it was very clear why it was better than no IS at all.
And sure IS, IBIS and DIS at their core are all able to make a handheld static video shot feel like it's on a tripod - but where lens IS shines for my use cases is in the way it translates movement above a certain threshold to look natural/organic vs IBIS and DIS.
Had I fully grasped that IBIS was never going to give me anything better than DIS when it came to that particular aspect, I would've just bought another R5C and called it a day! But ah well, again totally my bad, tho it's not like the R5 isn't a great hybrid camera in its own right.

It is so flawed, he could just buy one used R5 + adapter no need to change everything, keep the DSLR as backup and gain a much much more reliable AF, no lens focus tuning, better still quality, silent shutter with EVF and much better video quality. It even uses the same battery. A used R5 here is a round 2800 USD, you keep it for 3 years, resell it for 500 USD it makes a whooping 65 USD a month, if you cannot afford this change job. 

Again YT BS 

There are some physics involved about how shorter it can be. Most flash brands don't even report t0.1 number in their spec sheet, they know it doesn't look good. 

After 11 pages of answers and great suggestions @Jedi Master come up with wait, I forgot to tell you that 70% of my needs are still.... incredible.... hope you had a lot of fun because I'm not amused at all.... so unrespectful of other people time.


 

You'd be amazed at the number of folks that drop into the forums, ask a question, and then:
never answer follow-up questions and are never seen again argue with all the people trying to help them supply critical information many many pages later, despite having been asked directly along the way participate in the discussion nicely, then go out and buy the a wrong camera that was eliminated in the discussion, then complain about it because it has all these issues that everyone warned them about Hardly anyone even says 'thank you' either.
This is why experts burn-out from posting on forums - the trail of people who ask for help and then fight every inch of the process to try and provide the help they asked for.

After 11 pages of answers and great suggestions @Jedi Master come up with wait, I forgot to tell you that 70% of my needs are still.... incredible.... hope you had a lot of fun because I'm not amused at all.... so unrespectful of other people time.


 

Hey guys, I don't really shoot any video, or stills, but I am really into barbecue... can you recommend a cinema/stills camera for me so I can convince my wife that spending $2500 on a barbecue grill is a good deal. 

After 11 pages of answers and great suggestions @Jedi Master come up with wait, I forgot to tell you that 70% of my needs are still.... incredible.... hope you had a lot of fun because I'm not amused at all.... so unrespectful of other people time.


 

After 11 pages of answers and great suggestions @Jedi Master come up with wait, I forgot to tell you that 70% of my needs are still.... incredible.... hope you had a lot of fun because I'm not amused at all.... so unrespectful of other people time.