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Do we know for sure the 1080p is pixel binned? if so how bad should we expect 1080P IQ? same as 5D3?

Sony is protecting it's mirrorless line!

Curious about this as well.. Even before V3, A7R II had pretty impressive video PDAF (especially in fast setting):

Great news if true about 422 10-bit but no 4K crop I find misleading given the crop nature of Micro 4/3. Sounds like a cheap shot towards the 5D IV..

^ Indeed which is why my current setup consists of a DPAF C100 & 5D3 (both of which cost me less total than a 5D4!) Of course that is exactly what Canon wants / forces you to do within their ecosystem. Needless to say though I'll be looking elsewhere for future upgrade path..

Although this may sound kinda revolutionary on paper, DPreviews early hands-on insists this will allow only very small micro adjustments. They make it sound like it's more a marketing gimmick then actual useful tool. Guess we'll have to wait for more conclusive tests/ information.. Touch screen Dual Pixel AF for video though is the main ticket and I think will be a feature the competition will need to start copying to stay ahead the game..

https://www.calumetphoto.de/product/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV-Gehause/CANEOS5DMIV 4065€ woohoo !

I wouldn't write out Sony too fast.. the Japan earthquake that affected their sensor factory completely messed up their 2016 release schedule but A7 III series & A9 should be serious contenders..

The DR for stills on the D810 (14.8) & D750 (14.5) is quite phenomenal. That's more then Phase One's & Hasselblad's. It's really been hard for me to go back to the 5D3 after 6 months spent on D750. I could recover for days on D750. 5D3 at 11.7 stops is far far far behind. That 2012 sensor tech is old. Even the 6D has a better sensor.. Now how that translates to 8-bit 420 video is a different story, especially when you take ML Raw into consideration.

^ Nikon provides a flat profile on their latest cameras. Yeah 4K HDMI out is nice.. but there are other cons with Nikons.. no DCI 4K.. heavy crop.. strong rolling shutter.. etc As for Nikon & PDAF, Sony has got nothing to do with that. D5/D500 don't even use Sony sensors! Nikon just seems very content with their AF module system. Perhaps with Canon pushing the envelope with dual pixel, Nikon will react.. but for now Canon really seems to be ahead of everyone with their DPAF tech.

I agree, Nikon could but probably won't release that type of camera...yet.. They just seem to move in baby steps in the video dept.. even if they're headed in right direction. Best chance this year for FF full read out 4K with assist features,log & good AF is still from Sony.. A7S/R3 / A9. Native lens choice may be poor/expensive, but with adapters and speed boosters the lens choice becomes almost infinite if you don't mind MF / average AF.. Kinda makes up a bit for color science imo.. Ergonomics wise I'm still not ready to ditch DSLR for still photography (5D3 still king with it's button placements, customisation and AF point joystick control.. and with touch screen & DPAF will finally get Live View put to good use on 5D4) but for certain types of video needs like low-light events, i found the A7SII a joy to shoot through the EVF. But yeah, there is no perfect still/video camera in sight yet, always compromises it seems..

Forum members, I just thought I'd point out that this guy is the founder of a questionable Polish militia "boot camp" facility which trains French civilians to semi/automatic firearms & combat warfare (which is illegal here) around a clouded political agenda that seems to cover up under anti-terrorist legitimacy. He is here asking questions as no French videographers (to whom he referred to me in another thread in french as "hipster faggots") seem to want to be associated with his borderline propaganda activities . I'm all about freedom of speech, but I just thought you guys should know who you're helping out here.. not exactly your ordinary fellow videographer.. As for the A7S2, it's color science & S-log. I often here it berated here and it isn't the easiest cam to work with and S-log does require advanced grading skills .. but in the right hands I've seen some really superb work done on the S2 and it sure packs a lot of punch in such a small package (and price compared to the FS5).. and this is coming from a Canon guy!

I've tried the XC10 briefly, it definitely has a cheapo feel to it imo. Nowhere near Cxxx / L glass build quality. I also believe it's not aimed at the same market. I kinda doubt ENG shooters use it with that form factor and no EVF. It does have some neat features, some only available on high-end C line gear (422 4K, the codec, C-log etc) but I was really disappointed with the hardware, specifically the slow fixed non-constant aperture lens paired to tiny sensor, unusable manual focus ring... So for me it's kind of a flawed product, especially at such high price point. That being said i see how some shooters may enjoy it, especially as a B-cam for daylight action/drone shots. But I doubt Canon sold a lot, I know my local camera store has been trying to blow them out, unsuccesfuly. Small fixed lens cams are kind of a niche market anyways. All that being said XC15 might fair better if indeed they at the very least improve the lens and add DPAF.

there's been some speculation that the next D6xx would basically be D750, and that the next D7xx would have a more pro body (a la D700). I think it's very safe to assume the next FX cams will all have 4K as the D5/500 released this year implement it. Hopefully they add peaking and more robust codec options but somehow Nikon R&D seem slow to push forward in video department.

Nikon are slowly getting there... D5/D500 both released this year have 4K / Flat profile. D750 also introduced zebras. All that's really missing is peaking and stronger codec options.. the DR though is impressive for 8-bit DSLR.. But speaking of motion cadence, I really hated it on the D750. Lots of juddering on pans too (as with 5D3). Black Magic Raw/Prores, excellent motion. Strangely enough, I'm ok with my C100 's motion cadence even though it uses a shitty 24 mbps AVCHD codec. It has it's flaws but motion cadence i find is really good. Really don't know how they did it. So still kind of a mystery to me what science gives good/bad motion cadence..

I'm not that familiar with MJPEG but the more i research it, it kind of sounds like it's RAW video concept except uses JPEGs instead of RAW files..? Could it be MJPEG is the compromise Canon found of getting you closer to Raw video capabilities which is what everybody's been nagging them to do ever since ML appeared? I must admit 1DX II 4K footage does look fantastic and from reports resolves quite well in post. But the workflow with the big files to transcode oh my.. i guess those used to ML Raw will find it a walk in the park.. but those used to fast drag n drop n edit and small files are going to be taken back.. It's just kind of strange the options are you either get 4K 500mbps MJPEG or 1080p H264. No other codec options in between. Even that would be ok if they at least allowed 4K HDMI out so you could record 4K ProRes etc to external recorder.. But i guess i'm expecting too much in this department.. It's Canon.. not Panasonic.. you're given one or two codec options at most to deal with.. at least there is a high quality low compression format option. On the stills side, the new Dual Pixel RAW editing info definitely seems interesting if not game changing as far as post capabilities..

have a look here, full on 5D4 FAQ and claim it's his next purchase alongside kit we very well know he can't afford: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30545.msg615042#msg615042 gotta love the first posters reaction: "Do you work for Canon?" lol Reminds me a lot of this post where ES reveals to us 1DX II info given to him by his "secret Canon contact" who'd just lifted the NDA: http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/19104-canon-1dx-ii-video-camera-perspective-mini-interview-on-the-missing-details/ Even Andrew had made a blog about it: http://www.eoshd.com/2016/02/all-is-revealed-canon-1d-x-mark-ii-video-faq/ If you are reading this ES (and good chance he is) please stop spreading BS!

indeed it's why i said YMMV depending on your shooting scenario. personally ergonomics is a must. but the real deal breaker for me is the horrendous rolling shutter, never seen something so bad in a camera tbh! that's because A7S does full pixel readout and 5D3 bins.. but 5D3 resolution is still 1080p even if softer then A7S etc.. C100 for example downscales 1080p from a 4K sensor.. result is it's a lot sharper then 5D3, which is why C100 is my A-Cam but still I can match up 5D3 pretty close in post. it's not that big of a deal imo.. that being said it's definitely a shame if the 5D4 still bins at 1080p and gives out a softer image..

^ i suggest you read the other thread i linked.. SMH 5D3 does 1080p. it betters the A6300 in that it's native full frame, has audio output, much much much less rolling shutter, no overheat issues, longer battery life, slightly bigger screen/resolution, axis display and overall better ergonomics, especially if you're shooting manual. of course YMMV. different types of shooters may have different types of priorities.. and you said it yourself a6300 isn't for run & gun..

looks like you missed this thread he started today: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=30545.msg615042#msg615042 i love how it ends with: My next video rig is probably going to be the 5D IV + Zucoto LCD loup + Rode mic + new 24-105mm F4/L. ..right, just after you finish scamming half the forum there... kid is still living in fantasy world spreading false knowledge.. i'd call him out but no time for it really..

lol quite obviously. we are talking top bill FF DSLR versus a consumer pocket camera without even a viewfinder. I'd never consider a A6300 over my 5D3 or even a 6D. Too many compromises on usage but fact remains that sony gives access to full readout APS-C 4K, zebra/peaking & S-Log3 for $1K. Add a speedbooster and it's FF 4K! And of course native FF 4K with clean 4K HDMI output, EVF, SLOG, IBIS etc.. for $3K on the A7S2. Sony offers all this, even though they also have a pricey FS cinema cam line. So my point is simply that Canon could include a few of these goodies on their 3.800 euro flagship 5D4. But no dice. Also, sorry for beating a dead horse here but 1.7x crop is just a real bummer. I buy a Full Frame for a Full Frame look/experience. It becomes even more important with 4K where you'd like the possibility of a jump-in crop in full HD timeline. Well now on the 5D4, my 35mm 1.4 L becomes a 60mm native in 4K.. and my widest 24mm L becomes a 40mm.. that just makes me cringe..

I'm not too worried about Canon sales yet I'm not entirely sure about it having the same reception as the 5D3.. when the 5D3 was released 4 years ago there wasn't much like it in FF world, allowing it to reach it's epic status as perfect pro all-rounder in stills photography and with great video options. Today that's a whole different story, Nikon & Sony have caught up and leap-frogged Canon. A quick look at DxOMark ( http://www.dxomark.com/cameras#hideAdvancedOptions=false&viewMode=list&yDataType=rankDxo ) and you'll find the Top 20 cameras of the moment are all Nikon/Sony (and two PhaseOne's) 1DX II ranks 21st, 5DS 27th.. and 5D3 52nd position! Of course in the real world the 5D3 is still found everywhere in pro bags but that's just more about photogs not upgrading/switching brands because technically speaking it is very outdated (not surprising for a 2012 camera) and not to mention pros are only a segment of the overall market. Now indeed specs don't mean everything, and I am saying this as a primarily stills shooter who just bought a 5D3 last month! I did so though because it made sense lens wise to be in Canon ecosystem as I also own a C100. But coming from the D750 (which has it's flaws) and going back to the 5D3 feels like quite a leap backwards in terms of sensor / IQ. Now I'm expecting a vast improvement in the 5D4 sensor, especially concerning DR but that still remains to be shown. Also video has become of huge importance in the photography market, especially prosumers. they want great FF 4K video. it's the trendy thing. I know a lot are going to be surprised, bummed out by the crop.. in an age when even an iPhone can switch from stills to 4K video without cropping. Then finally, disregarding totally still shooters and prosumers, you've got the pro video community which is what most of us here are about. In this particular segment, who may be smaller in terms of sales.. is pretty important as far as image/presence in the pro field (something Canon does place value in i think). Although it's too early to tell, what we know for sure is that there has been a shift from the 5D3 being the king 3-4 years ago.. to a much larger range of equipment being used today that includes GH4, BlackMagic, Nikon and of course Sony. I'm just kind of amazed Canon doesn't seem to take much of the video markets evolution into consideration with the 5D4. When a $1K A6300 can do full readout 4K with a lesser crop, include zebra/peaking, S-Log3 & 425 phase AF points.. well the 5D4 at a whopping 3800 euros just doesn't seem that impressive. Now ok, well aware of the A6300 rolling shutter, overheat issues, battery life, color science etc... but still Canon could have definitely add a few extras (just a few lines of code indeed) to really come out with the king DSLR. But they want to protect at all costs the C line, even if it means some people (maybe even a lot) not interested in C line will go elsewhere.. It's even scarier when you think that the 5D4 will probably be it for the next 4 years..

The more i think about these specs the less excited I am.. 1.7x crop would be pretty bad, especially at 3800 euros.. having to transcode a 500mbps outdated codec also sounds like a PITA... no log or focus assist.. no 4K output.. pixel-binned 1080p.. really DPAF is the only good news here. I'll reserve my judgement until final specs are released but it ain't looking pretty..

Yeah it's a bit hard for me to go back to the 5D3 on the stills side after being spoiled by the D750's DR.. but ultimately L glass is what brought me back to Canon. I also think Nikon have ways to go on the video side. Now the 5D4 definitely has some sweet features for video. Crop factor on 4K means Super35 mode which isn't that bad. Internal 422 is a nice surprise (even if still 8-bit). DPAF implementation seems the bomb. It's been a game changer for me on the C100 and this takes it further. I'd almost be tempted to drop the C100 but probably no zebra, peaking, waveform or C-log.. So i'm still hesitant what my next camera will be 5D4 or a Sony (A7S2, FS5 or A9). Can't wait for official 5D4 footage.. probably next week upon release!

ES declared what was it 10 days ago he would never contribute to this site again because he knew his credibility was tainted.. then yesterday i see him post all kinds of bogus advice in threads. And now today he's whining no one locked his account so he took that as a free pass to continue his BS activities. Kid even has nerve to say "it's your fault" "don't get a seizure about me helping people".. I'm glad mods are finally taking a stance towards this punks behavior. I understand the are leaving his account open until situation gets resolved but really it should be restricted and his signature modified ASAP with a warning of his fraudulent activities. It's like giving a sex offender a slap on the wrist. You know it's a matter of time before dude commits crime again.. Seriously, the leniency given here is starting to give this site a bad look I'm afraid.. where is Andrew btw? he needs to step up & address this imo..