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47 minutes ago, Django said:

However not sure i can agree when it comes to lenses & manual focus for video. Focus by wire sucks for video imo: it's steppy, innacurate and the fast f1.4 fuji primes do make a racket.

I haven't tried the new linear mode but nothing beats mechanical with a nice throw imo.

no, nothing beats a mechanical manual focus lens, those are designed for it. But the new linear focus mode is really working great. Big plus for the Fuji, if you are also a photographer using autofocusing lenses. I will be using the Fujinon AF lenses a lot more now. Most of the fast once I own, are still loud though. 

I can do some more testing. I'd have to probably get a better subject and use a tripod to really compare it, but looking at the video you linked, to me it looks like he messed up his settings or files and only looked at slow mo from the X-H1, which seems to be pixel binned and not downscaled

On 26.3.2018 at 11:11 PM, webrunner5 said:

Ever heard of ETTR? I think your thought process is ass backwards. Underexposure is about the worse thing you can ever do. You can't get back what you never had.

I have heard of it and I do know, that ISO has absolutely nothing to do with exposure. It's just gain. If you increase ISO for ETTR you are not exposing to the right, you are increasing gain to get brightness. Different things. And it's the other way round, what you loose in the highlight you can't get back, in the shadows you can get back a lot. That's just the way digital sensors work. Film was different and that's why many still talk about highlight roll off of film

On 27.3.2018 at 12:44 PM, Attila Bakos said:

@frontfocus Hi, did you have time to check this?

Actually I did. It took me a while to find a subject which shows moire, but when I found it I did compare the X-T2 and X-H1. I didn't use a tripod, which brought me to the conclusion, that moire is more noticeable with the X-H1, because handheld the image is moire stable and you notice it more.

If you just compare sensor output, I'd guess the X-H1 has the exact same 3000px to 1920px downscale and with that the same amount of moire. 

just some quick cropped screencaps, but moire shows on both cameras and I'd say it's the same amount if you would do the exact same shot. 

X-T2:

X-H1:

edit: in this comparison the X-H1 seems to have less moire, but when looking through the footage, I have seen the exact same amount as the X-T2 produces.

1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

2/3 of a stop is Unimportant in video, really, your kidding aren't you. That 2.8 lens you have now is 3.5. Nah hell it doesn't matter.

wtf are you even talking about. the physical dimensions of the lens are unaffected. 

If you want your picture brighter, you can increase the ISO. But all your talk about ISO cheating just shows, that you have no idea about the iso standard. Setting up a modern camera to underexpose actually makes a lot of sense, if you would do a comparison over the last decade you would see, that all manufacturers are going the route. 

4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Fuji sort of bends the rules a bit on ISO, it is fact

an alternative fact, since there is no rule bending, it's all within the standards. 

but why even discuss such an unimportant detail? 

@Attila Bakos I will do. Don‘t know if I find enough spare time today or tomorrow, since I first have to get my X-T2, but weekend at the lastest I will do

34 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

Have you run into the grid pattern flare?

yes and no. I have managed to get it, but it was much harder than on older Fuji cameras. Comparing it to the X-T2 directly, it seems the problem has been extremly minimized. If you are free lensing with a very bright lens, it‘s easy to get the flare

@jon are you sure those are bugs by definition? Could be design decisions. DR has been namend DR100-400 (and 800 as well as 1600 on some cameras) since Fuji introduced this feature. Everyone who does even a little of search knows, how many stops of DR it adds and how it does it. Same with the natural liveview. It is designed to deactivate the film simulation to give you a DSLR like experience.  So just because a few don‘t like it with video doesn‘t mean it‘s not supposed to be this way. The list goes on. 

still trying to figure out, if @jonpais has a personal problem with Fujifilm or is just trolling.

Anyway, the thread got absolutely useless through input of people just repeating what they heard somewhere and not trying the camera. There is no gain for me visiting this thread, so if anyone has any questions about the camera (I own it for nearly 2 weeks now, so have a bit of experience) feel free to ask. But link me or pm me, because I don't think I will visit the thread anymore.  

@jonpais did  you have some time to finally try the X-H1 for some time now and try different settings?

31 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

You can't fix Everything with a firmware update. This thing seems pretty rushed just like Panny did with the EVA1. Sony pushes a lot of stuff out, and hard for others to keep up.

and Sony fixes their mistakes by pushing out a new camera, is this really the way people prefer?

If this bug is reported to Fuji by enough people, it will probably be fixed soon

3 minutes ago, Django said:

someone should shoot this up to Fuji HQ..

no. As much people as possible should.

5 hours ago, Attila Bakos said:

Can anyone with the X-H1 confirm this?

 

I do. just tried it. Inconsistent results with DR400, and very usable with DR100. 

I have had the camera for over a week now and even though I promised myself, not to post in this forum again, I will give my opinion about a few things, maybe they help someone.

These are mainly about handling, the image quality seems to be very good and I don't want to start the discussion about 8bit vs 10bit again. 

The video options are set up nicely, the addition of DCI 4K is very welcome.

You can start the recording with the touchscreen, if you set it to Shot. I also like the silent controls, even if they are a little bit small. I just touch it once to start it and then use the joystick to navigate and set the different options. Not only is it much faster but it doesn't close the menu after setting up one item either.

the new linear manual focus option for focus by wire lenses is great. That Fuji implemented this before Panasonic or Sony does is interesting too. Talking about manual focus, you can punch in either with a key you set up (per default the back wheel) or by double tapping the screen. There are two magnifications, between which you switch by circling the back wheel. You can move the magnified field during recording either with the joystick or by pressing the corners of the touchscreen. Resolution of the magnification is very good.

The same two magnifications are available in the viewfinder, but you probably won't need it, because the resolution of the EVF is very high. There is an Auto-magnification too, which starts when you turn the focus ring, but you have to activate it in the menu. 

I only did a few quick tests on autofocus. It worked fine 90% of the time. Nothing to write home about, but acceptable. There are some AF options which I haven't played with too much yet, handling tracking speed and focus speed. 

slow motion has to be activated separately, either through the menu or a function button. I did program a swipe gesture on the touch screen to open the slow motion menu. 

Overall you notice, that this camera wasn't designed for video as it's main selling point. But coming from Fujifilm cameras, this is a huge step up. There are a lot of new options and you get the Fujifilm colors, which compensate for some drawbacks, at least for me. Overall I am impressed by the camera, especially for people shooting stills too, this is a very nice option. The new shutter is extremely quiet, you can probably shoot at a set and have no one noticing the sound. 

11 hours ago, kidzrevil said:

Does this downscale from 6k or higher to 4K like Sony a6300-a6500 ? 

5K to 4K downscaling, but same crop for 24p, 25p and 30p

Can't comment on 120p quality yet, will need some time to compare it to other cameras in this price range

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Has anyone found a way to quickly enter video mode or record a clips from within stills mode without the dreaded mode-dial lever thingy yet?

No. If there is enough feedback, Fuji might add it with a firmware update, but since they removed the video button going from the X-T1 to the X-T2 because people didn't want an video button, setting it with the mode dial has been the only option on both the X-T2 as well as the X-H1. 

1 hour ago, Alt Shoo said:

No disrespect to those who prefer using 8 bit because I have a few 8 bit tools myself, but as an individual with goals to have any future media I create on broadcast networks, I will adhere to their standards. Now for any personal projects or for vlogging, then I’ll consider something within these specifications. 

“Experts” on YouTube can run their tests, which are cool, but the fact remains these aren’t the requirements for any serious and aspiring professional in this industry. Sure there are the few talented souls that are making a living with modest setups and that’s inspiring, but that’s not the normal thing. 

These are my opinions based on the facts of the matter. If this offends you, that is your own creation because my intent was not to disrespect or belittle anyone. I came to express a thought that is based on facts about 8 bits vs 10 bits. Regarding the Fuji XH1 it’ll be an awesome tool for stills, however regardless of their advances for video, this camera just won’t cut it ‘for me’. 

interesting. You have been asked, what your problem with 8bit recording is, but instead of answering it, you just repeat the same stuff over and over again. My X-H1 should be here tomorrow, if anyone is interested in some details PM me, won't write in this thread anymore, it got way out of hand. 

A7r2 had it too. Seems that it is pretty common with new Sony sensors

4K, nice colors. Looking good

Yeah. I‘ll probably stop coming here. My camera should arrive March 1. 

It‘s probably better to learn how to work with it instead of being told what it can‘t do and that it doesn‘t stack up to the competition here.

it says „Filmed on FUJIFILM X-H1“ 

It feels, like most of those Fuji X Photographers got 2 copies of the camera. One to shoot and one to film it. Sith limited time and most of them being photographers and not film makers I am honestly impressed, that there are even some good looking videos coming out. Fuji should really think about limiting the quantity and go for more quality of promo videos,

Some of those results look extremely nice, others bad. Personally I will just test it for myself, most cameras require days up to weeks learning, so you get the most out of them.

Personally I think the character of the lens distracts a bit, so I did a little bit of smoothening too.

I really don't get it. 2 years ago Fujis were probably the worst cameras you could get for video. Heavy moire, missing sharpness, no control over settings. The X-T2 changed a lot of it. The image quality was very nice and it added some controls. 

And now, the X-H1 adds another bunch of nice features. No, it doesn't do 60fps or 10bit, but as a whole I think the camera looks very nice. It seems they improved the autofocus, they added a lot of features like 1/48s, linear response of focus or internal Log and added hardware like IBIS and the touch screen. 

No, it's not a GH5 killer, but I don't think it's supposed to be. "Jack of all trades, master of none", seems fitting. It's mildly cropped APS-C sensor won't match the low light performance of an A7S but it will be better than the GH5. Might be very close to the GH5s though. It's improved autofocus will probably not match canons dual pixel, but it might just be up there with Sony, close behind. And it doesn't have waveform or zebras yet (slashcam says Fuji might add those in an upcoming firmwareupdate) but it does have a lot of other small things, like the internal log profile, the 200Mbit/s codec, the DCI 4K option, 1/48s shutter speed, timecode, tally light and so on. And all of that with the very nice Fuji colors. To me it feels like a camera that might be very interesting to people shooting not video only, but both, photos and videos.

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

Setting shutter speed with physical controls requiring adjusting two dials

Setting it into T mode and using the command dial is there since the X-T1. Only one dial needed

13 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

I like the new Fuji with the Fuji lenses, seriously, if those lenses were AF, I would consider the package.

Cine lenses with autofocus? Would be a first. It would be especially hard to realize, since Fujis autofocus uses focus by wire. 

But at least there is no an option to set the focus by wire to a linear response, something many with native glas have asked for. Other manufacturers will probably follow suit soon. 

3 minutes ago, jonpais said:

I guess true pros use light meters. ?

I guess. But there is a lot of things true pros won't do  

1 hour ago, jonpais said:

Are you sure? Could you share a link? 

Like its sibling, the X-H1 offers a series of focus peaking options (color and intensity) but no zebra warnings for setting exposure, beyond the 'Live View Highlight Warning' option  - dpreview

so like the X-T2 with the newest firmware, it only shows overexposure, but you can't specify the limit, so you can't use it to get the skin tones into the right zone or whatever people use zebras for 

Really enjoyed this video here: 

not much to see, but what he says about his experience with the camera, especially the new Eterna simulation with 12 stops DR sounds very nice.