Phil A

Just saw that on YT yesterday. No real information or value in it but "inspirational vid bla". I think there's two trends. One is shooting with the phone, the other is actually shooting with a real camera and editing mobile to directly post to social media.

I think for you the choices are great but I don't shoot tele a lot and live in the 30-50mm equiv. range. With the DoF of m43 I don't think anything but f/1.4 does cut it (that's equiv. DoF to f/2.8 on FF and no one would consider that fancy). So yes, basically there's only the PanaLeica 25 1.4, Olympus 25 1.2 (so much about cropped sensor mirrorless being cheaper than FF DSLR) and the Voigtländers as native lenses, that's why I asked about opinions regarding good options for adapting. I realize that m43 is not ideal for my shooting tastes but I think I'll end up with an 24mm 1.4 / 28mm 1.8 and some 50mm on a focal reducer. I've googled it quite a bit and I always think it's hilarious when people are asking for fast 35mm lenses for environmental shots with bokeh and are told to just shoot 100 or 150mm instead.

It's one of these "why am I like this?" moments. On the way home from work quickly bought a GH5 and a used Olympus 12-40mm. "No ragrets" Good point! Canon FD or Nikkor Ai-s are probably the way to go. I'll get a Zhongyi LensTurbo II for Canon EF next week for my Samyang lenses and I already have an F to EF adapter so maybe I'll go for the Nikkors, but the FD are so nice. Hard decision.

What are good options for a fast, wide-normal (35-45mm FF equiv.) on mFT? Native lenses max out at f/1.7 with the 20mm and that doesn't cut it for DoF for photography imho. The Panasonic Leica 25mm 1.4 and 12mm 1.4 get the closest to what I can live with, just wish there was a focal length in between them. I'm wondering what would be better, the Voigtländer 17.5mm f/0.95 or a Focal Reducer with the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 DC HSM Art? I guess the latter would have the advantage that if you go for EF mount you could use AF-S for photography. The disadvantage though that there is no fitting tele in the 85-100mm equiv. territory that will match it. I'm really interested in the GH5 on a logical level but somehow I just can't get excited over it and the native lens options make it even worse.

I would expect everyone to know those basics from the article, the question is: how much more data rate will you need in All-I to match the quality of Long GOP? If it's 3 times, you already lose quality with the 400 Mbps codec. @Fritz Pierre is of course right about the "in the right hands" comment, but those also do magic with 8bit 4:2:0 material in 100 Mbps. I've seen a table with comparison of the different compression levels but I can't recall where, I'll edit it in when/if I find it. EDIT: here we go. Apparently the 400Mbps All-I should be somewhat better. http://wolfcrow.com/blog/thoughts-on-comparing-8-bit-and-10-bit-footage-from-the-panasonic-gh5/

I wonder how much that will add in the end. I've seen quite a few sources that claimed that 400Mbps All-I is actually more compressed than 150Mbps Long GOP so the All-I will maybe give you slightly better motion & quality when there's a lot of movement but no image quality boost in most cases.

Also keep in mind that there's two different warranties in Germany. I'm not lawyer so that's my basic knowledge and might be a bit off: The first is the voluntary one (Garantie) that is usually given by the manufacturer, e.g. all that register your camera and get extra guarantee mambo jambo. The second is the legally given warranty (Gewährleistung) that is between you and the vendor and for 2 years. For the first 6 months the vendor has to prove that the problem (or its cause) didn't exist when he sold you the equipment, after that you have to prove that it already existed when you received the goods, which is borderline impossible.

Bringing this thread up again. I'm considering more super short form stuff for social media, even for Instagram story. We've used the Zhiyun Smooth Q quite a bit on a trip recently and it's so nice to have your crappy iPhone footage well stabilized. It's a lot more compact than a bigger stabilizer with a MILC so we had some cases where we actually preferred it over using a Crane with a Sony. Next step now would be to have that stuff actually look good. I have my basic workflow for the look I'm going for in Davinci Resolve, dialed in on my desktop system, as a power grade, so I can also use that on my laptop for quick turnaround by just smacking it on and then doing some fine adjustments, e.g. if I slightly botched exposure or white balance. But I wondered now: is there an app for iOS that lets you slap on a *.cube LUT on footage? I'd love to transfer stuff (that I plan to properly edit later on) to my iPhone or iPad, put a lut on it and post it to social media / snapchat / instagram story or just show it to people. You could even do mini-edits with iMovie maybe. It's obviously not something for narrative or long form documentaries but I think it would be viable for interactive travel documentary, vlogging, etc. Tagging @kidzrevil , you seemed to be quite active in that direction. What's your current workflow?

It's probably the H.264 compression that maxes out your system. I transcode everything because my system also doesn't do well with H.264.

Sorry for the late reply, I was on a business trip and didn't want to post from my phone. I think a big advantage of the A7s II / A6300 / A6500 over the older cameras is S-Gamut3.Cine for shooting in S-Log2/3, it's not as easy to botch the colors (which are a bitch to get back in the 8bit material) as in the older S-Gamut which seems to be super sensitive to the ISO/WhiteBalance. Another reason as I understand S-Log2/S-Gamut often looks so bad is because people try to "bend" it back to Rec709 by incorrectly adjusting saturation and contrast instead of using a technical lut for the transformation. I like things that just look good, I'm perfectly fine with stylistic grades. So, some stuff I subjectively think looks quite great is a combination of the actual color with the cinematographic choices of the shooter, lenses used, etc and I realize that other people maybe think it looks bad. But here we go, in general I think people who nicely show what the Sonys can do are: @Naive Studio https://vimeo.com/naivestudio Pono Grace https://vimeo.com/ponograce (but I'm not even sure, I think he still shoots with the A7s) Ricardo Fasoli https://vimeo.com/riccardofasoli Tu Nguyen https://vimeo.com/tunguyenwedding Guess I'm a bit torn to that stylized wedding look haha (will never voluntarily shoot a wedding in my life, not video nor photography) Like discussed so much, I think the good results are because of the whole package and not because of the camera and in the end it doesn't matter what you shoot with as long as it enables you to create what you envisioned and doesn't fight you doing it. I'm convinced I'd love what these people shoot as much if it was on a GH5, 5D IV or BMCC. I'm also seeing a lot of A7sII, GH5 and BMPCC footage that does nothing for me.

Also looks shorter, I think that would be a huge advantage.

I think it is funny though. People used to complain so much that Sony releases camera successors too quickly and that the used market price depreciates at crazy speeds. Now the A7s II came out a bit over 18 months ago, prices are really stable (in Switzerland release price was around 3499 Chf and it still costs 3199 Chf. Used it's around 2800) and we aren't happy either. Even the old A7s still sells here for 1699 which I wouldn't exactly call cheap. I really hoped an updated A7s III would have gotten announced. But alas, let's use what we have.

Resurrecting the dead. Kinefinity is showing a Terra 5k "engineering model" at NAB. https://www.facebook.com/groups/kinefinity/ Also deja vu regarding the ProRes licensing state, on their Facebook page they have announced an active e-mount (did Sony really license that to them!?).

Did someone try how the Panasonic 25mm f/1.4 performs?

Happens always if recording mode is set to XAVC-S 4k. Result is that the screen is basically invisible to me when using it outdoors (in anything but clouded weather) on a gimbal where you can't use the EVF and that is sometimes a deal breaker for me. Easily my biggest gripe with the A7 and A6x00 series. Of course you can work around that, but it means either flying blind by feeling or adding a field monitor (= more weight, more batteries to charge & carry, etc.)

I didn't realize shooting in UHD is the wrong shooting mode.

I'd already be happy if they'd fix usability quirks and slightly update the camera, even if it was a paid firmware update. No dimming of screens, updated color science, video shooting with shutter button, improved auto white balancing / custom white balance in video mode, etc. After all in all the comparisons with the new Panasonic GH5, most people perceive the usability and reliability of Sony as their weakness, not really the image quality.

I think some footage is nice but it shows that people have just unrealistic expectations towards what advantage 10bit color depth brings. The final image is still a mix of color depth, codec bit rate, camera color science, sensor dynamic range and then the color grading. That mix, especially the last step, results in garbage for most of us amateurs/enthusiasts, even if we'd shoot RED or ARRI. Most comparisons between Sony and the GH5 I've seen so far said that the Sony has the better subjective image quality, low light, dynamic range and auto focus while the GH5 is just overall the way better camera to use. Guess we'll still have to wait some more for the perfect camera... like, forever.

So far these have the colors I liked the most out of the videos I've seen (maybe forgotten some). Feature set of the GH5 is just really, really impressive. Curious how Sony will answer eventually but it's a solid offer and imho gets more criticism than it should.

Fuji is kinda annoying me a lot. It's the camera I want for photography, I love the usability. Actually thanks to their colors, I could also easily live with 8bit (no need to bend the colors if they are that amazing. The GH5 shows that for most people 10bit won't help if you're not really skilled at grading) but with no stabilized primes and the declaration against IBIS, I just don't see them as an upgrade path. I don't want to be always stuck with gimbal & tripod requirements, I want to be able to at least do nice, stabilized static shots.

How well will the A9 nail focus: here's a link with a vid but I would wait for independent comparisons http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/canon-1dxii-versus-sony-a9/ A9 doesn't overheat when shooting stills: 100% agreed. If that would happen, I think they'd seriously threaten their opportunities to extend into the professional market in the future in that area. It would still be fine for professional portrait, landscape, etc. photographers but those probably would prefer the A7r II anyway. Dust and moisture resistance: There are no "with all manufacturer warranty commitment implications". If your 1Dx II breaks because it got wet you will still rely on Canon's good will to replace it. No manufacturer guarantees that the camera will survive getting wet or dusty, they just say there's a higher chance it will, they are typically not giving IP ratings for their cameras that are industrially defined points of "weather resistance". And about the 12 vs 14bit raw files. I don't think someone shooting a sport event will care, they're not going to photoshop the files until the color breaks like some landscape guys.

Can we finally stop discussing how the A9 disappoints us for video? That's like me complaining that my Z4 doesn't fit furniture in the trunk. They just didn't make this camera "for us", this time we're the wrong target group. If I was still only into photography, I'd be salivating over it!

But that's a general problem. Looking for footage to judge a camera is a nightmare. Subjectively 90% is: BMPCC -> log footage with barely any contrast / saturation added X-T2 -> photographers with sharpness & contrast cranked up shooting jittery handheld Sony A7 -> massively raised blacks everything GH5 -> Slooooow mooootiooooon brooooooooo *slow mo running intensifies* ... also, M31 LUT with 100% opacity starts to haunt my nightmares

The 1080p in 10bit 4:2:2 at 200 Mbps All-I (up to 60fps) update comes next week, that should be pretty nice for many applications where 4k isn't needed.

So turns out most of the stuff from the firmware update rumor (crop factor reduction, 3k mode, slowmo, etc.) was a hoax.