Liam

After staying up half the night (and working 13 hours yesterday) I ended up getting a used NX1 + grip + 16-50 F/2-2.8.
I love my 1dc, but this will be more for casual shooting.  It does things the 1dc doesn't, like:
Built in EVF / touch screen / 120FPS @ 1080p / AF in video mode - even high speed AF!  The gh4 doesn't even do that.  My wallet wishes I'd never have watched this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DigAgYD-QY
While on paper the Sony looks amazing - I pulled down a few videos for both this and the RX10 II - I just didn't care for the image on the Sony.  With the small sensor it just looks to camcorder-like.  Yes, I know you can get close to the subject and zoom out and get nice shallow DOF - but look at that video I just posted - that's @ 45mm.  I think the REC 709 coming out of the NX1 will be just fine - I'll dial down the contrast/saturation a bit.  It will be a pain transcoding the h265, but that's why we have beefy machines, right?
I love how small the Rx100 IV is, but the overheating reports scare me.  My original RX100 would overheat and shut off during baseball games.  So did my NEX-5n and many other Sonys.  While it's true for flat out detail and sharpness the new RX models are probably the best, I much prefer the look of the larger sensor NX1 so that's what I bought.
I think the 1080p/120 from the NX1 looks pretty damn fantastic.  Plus it will hold the AF.  Think about that.  I shoot my son playing travel baseball - now I can shoot slo-mo him hitting and running through all the bases - that's far too tough to pull focus on with any sort of shallow DOF with the 1dc.  This 1080p120 looks far better than the 1080p60 I'm getting from the 1dc.  You know that as well as I do.  Don't know about you Andrew, but all the sample videos I've seen from the 1" sensor'd new Sonys look like camcorder footage.  I don't want anything that sharp at 4k.

If you can settle for only 720, then the nice Samsung NX500 is going for a very cheap $344

RX100 MK IV / RX10 II are best for this, hands down. Forget the interchangeable lens mount options if you need a sharp image & moire free.
That's a good budget choice. Way off the RX100 IV for quality but not so far off NX1's 1080/120fps, which looks like upscaled 720p anyway.

thanks, ha, didn't realize that was a link at first. Very informative. Just was surprised that you could get anything at all from a log image with like 3 sliders considering the way people talk about it

I've just picked up an early shipment of the camera here in London! I'll do a field test and an evolving review over the next few days on my blog if anybody's interested! :-)

http://www.drlapse.com/?p=398
 

Shoot log with your wb set up correctly and you dont need to do any grading at all! - just use your curves/levels to get to the contrast level which leaves the highlights unclipped, themids natural and the shadows not crushed.  then boost saturation if required.  

As part of my MA program we were asked to create a short clip that tried to capture the experience of getting lost in thought staring at something. Here's my take, filmed with the Sony A7s in SLOG2 and using a DeLUT from James Miller. I'm pretty stoked that I'm finally getting the hang of SLOG2. It's not great to use in low light situations, but I nailed a sunset at the very end of the video, something I'd been trying to do for ages after watching Ed David's Kholi footage a while back.
 
 

Where is your area of expertise, then? Not an attack--honestly curious. 

Totally agree with the post, though. Why everyone isn't using the GH4's 10-bit out is beyond me. 
Also, how many times have you read this exact conversation:

"I can't get great colors with X-LOG!"
"Yeah, you'll have to learn more about color grading to get the most out of a LOG profile."
"But that's so much work! I'm a filmmaker, not a colorist. Isn't there an easier way?"
"Well, you could always buy some LUTs and let professional colorists do the work for you."
"LUTs are too expensive! I want something I can grade myself!"
"Um...how about just not using LOG? Your camera has lots of other color profiles that are easy to handle."
"Then I won't get the best DR the sensor can give me! What kind of noob doesn't use LOG!?"
-_-

Pre-order the Sony A7R II now - B&H / Amazon
Sony have communicated the confirmed ship date of the A7R II to me - the first batch will arrive at stores in Berlin on 5th August!
UPDATE: this is now the official thread for A7R II updates, footage and user experiences..

Thanks for the footage as ever Seb!!
Will put it on the review along with my own footage which is now shot, just waiting to get clearance on the song I used on it, from a friend.
Curiously I found taping the focus at around 50ft on the prime & kowa gave me a sharper image than sticking it at infinity.
Probably because of the adapter (was using it on Speed Booster and infinity isn't aways right)
Decided to use a Helios 44M 58mm F2.0 and Zeiss Jena 80mm F1.8 (M42 mount) for the taking lenses. The Zeiss in particularly is a well suited one, it is really small for a fast 80mm, compared to the Zeiss 85mm F1.4 it is tiny.

Here is my first hands on with the SLR Magic Rangefinder

Look into the work of Dogme 95, some of the early pioneers of digital filmmaking. Lars Von Trier's The Idiots was one of the first films to be shot entirely on digital. It doesn't look like film, and it's certainly not clean like digital today, but it has a distinct flavor of rawness that works really well for these films. Lars Von Trier now shoots on Alexa and other high-end systems, but I still see filmmakers using old-school digital and tape cameras to get this look. 
 
 

Hollywood wanted a 4K DSLR so Canon saw an opportunity and enabled 1.3x 4K crop video mode on their 1D X. The 1D C was born and the £12,000 price tag made sure nobody bought it.
With the Samsung NX1, the consumer didn't want 4K H.265 but is getting it anyway, because Samsung wants them to buy that lovely 4K TV to view the footage with. This is called technological progress, where more powerful machines are thrust upon an unexpected public and everyone gets excited.
Now the two world collide in this shoutout. Expect fireworks!
The Samsung NX1 is currently on special offer for $1299 at B&H
Read the full article

Is everyone here really gonna switch to the a7rii if vlog isn't here for the gh4 in 20 minutes? That price difference is pretty huge. It's weird It's taking so long and will be a huge step up, but it was considered by many to be a great camera just a little while ago. On a budget, the gh4 is great and 4k, with with multiple great, even cheaper 4k options from panasonic which can match with it really well with cine-v and d as B cameras (to a super cinematic 15 hundred dollar A camera with improvements over its brothers for photography, great build quality, anamorphic shooting and more). That's a low end, high quality package not really comparable to any other setup. Vlog could be (will be) awesome (I've been hearing better than slog2 - by the way, no slog3 on the a7rii, is it coming to the a7sii? Does this not piss us off?), but.. The nx1 isn't exactly better in terms of log profile either.. Rx10ii - no interchangeable lens, other panasonics, and then you're up into a drastically different price range. Correct me if I'm missing something. Could be worth a not so unpleasant wait

Film being shoot on bmpcc so far clips look really good  and for sun dance what do you guys think of tests.     http://nofilmschool.com/2014/12/shoot-bob-trees-outside-winter-snow-blackmagic-bmpcc-sundance

Oh and will have some 1D C sample MOVs to download in next article. It is about how the Samsung NX1's 4K image compares to the 1D C. Was quite an eye opener

C'mon dude...12 out of your 13 points refer to stills!!
​Let's narrow it down to video, because it is obvious which is the better stills camera if you want build quality and AF! 1D C is Canon's stills flagship 1D X in all but the badge.
So video...
A7S has better internal full frame 1080p resolution, as it isn't binned, comes from a full sensor readout. The APS-C modes (Super 35mm) on both the 1D C and A7S are quite equally matched for resolution BUT I much prefer the colour out of the 1D C in rec.709 and in Canon LOG it is far easier to grade than A7S in Sony LOG.
You say battery life is an advantage of the 1D C.... Only for stills. In 4K video mode it chews through batteries like a hungry dog in a sausage factory. And these are massive batteries, 5x larger in physical size than the ones the A7S takes!! It is not an economical cool running camera at all for video.
The native EF mount does have its advantages for Canon users. But the metabones errors are mostly fixed now and the A7RII will even sort AF out.
I don't class the A7S's size as an advantage for video... prefer the weight of the 1D C... it is tiny compared to an FS7 or C300 and lighter, but it is not too light like the A7S, so you can use it handheld without as much jitter and it just feels more stable in general. Shame no articulated screen though. The ergonomics are very basic for video... but also, I like the simplicity. Stick a loupe on it. Hit record. Very fast and direct access to ISO, shutter, aperture, IS on/off switch, etc. FS7 is much more complex and slower.
For low light shooting, the video output of the 1D C in 4K mode is actually slightly better than the A7S in 4K over HDMI. But the A7S's internal 1080p is a bit better once you get past ISO 12.800. It can hold on for a couple of stops longer before falling apart. How much you will need those crazy high ISOs in every day situations though, there is some question.
Where the 1D C mainly excels over the A7S for video is purely that organic image. It is less electronic looking, better colour, internal 422 and of course the lovely resolution of 4K without the need to bolt a bulky recorder on. That was my main reason for buying it for video. Other reasons were stills-camera related (I wanted to sell my 5D3 but needed to keep a full frame Canon body for stills & AF).
Where the A7S excels over the 1D C for video... quite a few areas really, but not the BIG one of the internal image quality. 4k 422 Canon LOG at 500Mbit/s thrashes 1080p 420 SLOG at 50Mbit/s. But if 1080p is your bag and you can expertly grade, the A7S image can be lovely. The A7S has the advantage of more video suited ergonomics - built in EVF, articulated screen, focus zoom while recording, focus peaking, etc. It has advantage of price. It has advantages of mirrorless lens mount, it's more adaptable. Works with PL lenses with simple adapter. Works with Leica M stuff. We are talking really high end lenses here that 1D C isn't privy to at all. Also the media is cheaper and it needs less of it. Files much more efficiently compressed. It doesn't really have a dynamic range advantage for video though despite the sensor specs showing a 2 stop advantage at DXOMark for raw stills and without SLOG the rec.709 colour is horrible looking compared to the 1D C's 4K shot on Standard or Faithful for example... Canon's colour science for both LOG and Rec.709 is hands-down superior looking, but I have no idea WHY! Don't forget the A7S has that creatively interesting 120fps in 720p so that is another notch for the A7S.
Will be VERY interesting to see how the A7R II internal 4K compares to 1D C. It isn't likely to beat it. It is likely to get close. But now with the used price of the 1D C and price of a new A7R II kinda meeting in the middle, Sony can't exactly claim the price advantage any more like they could with an $2000 A7S vs $12,000 1D C.
Going to be an interesting few months.

Umm Yeah...Taken them long enough, better late than never tho...or is it too little too late maybe.
One thing tho Jordan from the Cam store says he now mainly uses it as his B Cam to his Sony FS7
He prefers it over the A7S now (his older B cam), judging by some of his posts he seems to really love it.
So it may hold up against the A7R 11...maybe, obviously the A7R will kill it in a lot of areas, but maybe ease of use,
price, gradability etc..will give it some air.

 
 

Shallow DOF Test RX10 (old one)
 

Just got these but it was more for fun than practicality. These are pretty much mint. 50mm and 35mm have not been taken out of the box yet. These lenses look awesome and are probably the best built lenses I have ever seen. Sharp even wide open.
T2.2 is equivalent to F2.0 in my tests so not too shabby in low light. I do weddings... and the long 300 degree focus rotation isn't helping me out for live events like these (following those little kids dancing on the dancefloor is pretty hard to do with these)
So have to let these go, bummer. I won't break up this set but would be willing to trade for some stuff.
$2650 + shipping.
Willing to trade for: GH4 body, a7s body, voigtlander m43 lenses, panasonic 12-35mm, olympus 75mm 1.8, Panasonic leica primes (15mm,25mm,42.5)
GH4 in pic is not included. Just there to show how awesome these lenses look like. Lol.

Oh and Dave Dugdale did. And Sony reps (your heroes!) were just talking about their 2/3" sensor cameras recently at NAB, made for super telephoto work. Sorry, we should get back on topic :3
 
edit: and... Orson Welles would have considered it if he could have... because they were going nuts trying to get shots like these

 

Oh and Dave Dugdale did. And Sony reps (your heroes!) were just talking about their 2/3" sensor cameras recently at NAB, made for super telephoto work. Sorry, we should get back on topic :3
 
edit: and... Orson Welles would have considered it if he could have... because they were going nuts trying to get shots like these

 

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Oh and Dave Dugdale did. And Sony reps (your heroes!) were just talking about their 2/3" sensor cameras recently at NAB, made for super telephoto work. Sorry, we should get back on topic :3
 
edit: and... Orson Welles would have considered it if he could have... because they were going nuts trying to get shots like these

 

Oh and Dave Dugdale did. And Sony reps (your heroes!) were just talking about their 2/3" sensor cameras recently at NAB, made for super telephoto work. Sorry, we should get back on topic :3
 
edit: and... Orson Welles would have considered it if he could have... because they were going nuts trying to get shots like these