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How much should the 12k rent for per day in San Jose, CA? I’m thinking about getting one and renting it to make it affordable. Thanks!

I'm waiting for a side by side test like Tom Antos does.. I think we can safely say that this is best skin tones we have seen out of a Blackmagic camera. As far as compared to other cameras, that remains to be seen via a comparison video.

Blackmagic replaced a pocket for me no questions asked, so their support was excellent IMHO. I think Grant mentioned the 12k having a redundant power supplies in his presentation (I could be wrong...) and that the 12k was completely re-engineered. I think they are going for the highend and know that reliability and performance under extreme conditions is a must. If it is 100% reliable and good in low-light with these specs, at this point in time, they could charge double and I think they would get a number of high end productions and rental houses adopting them IMHO. I think they have priced it at $10k because they think they are going to sell a lot of them and I think they are right, but the adoption rate will be slower then if it were a $7k or $8k camera.

I imagine people will shoot to different resolutions depend on how the NR process works with the subsampling. We may find 12k to 6k subsample saves a stop of noise and 12k to 4k saves 1.5 stops of noise. Maybe not.. I think there is going to be best case scenarios that will set this camera apart even further from the crowd. What Blackmagic needs to do is give the configurations and expected performance outcomes upfront so that going in people know how to get the most out of the camera in low light. ...Or maybe it is best to shoot 12k and then noise reduce and downscale in camera. Hopefully it will be good in low light natively and there will be little amount of noise to deal with in the first place. That would be a nice change. This said with appreciation that the Pocket 6k is excellent in low light.

The color separation is fantastic - distinctive browns. yellows and blacks which don't loose subtle color shifts from lighting even when crushed. I think there is something special going on here and I will love to hear from folks on how they feel it grades compared to other cameras.

This has the graded footage and it looks real nice. There is something special about the "sparkly" highlights. Not sure how to describe the lack of highlight crushing, but it is nice for a change.

I have not seen Blackmagic make a mistake camera wise, so I have to trust that they have thought this through. If it looks better than other 8k cameras even if it has to start with 12k and subsample then that's fine. A big part of them getting the $10k price tag is if it is the best 8k camera output. I hope it is and that this sensor tech will trickle down. Maybe an 8k version to get perfect 4k in a pocket pro 8k for $3000 in the future. Hopefully, 14 stops will be usable without excessive noise or some fix pattern issue. Hopefully the new sensor tech will not have weaknesses in low light like previous generations.

I hope this succeeds because I would like to see the new sensor technology trickle down to the pocket in the future. It will be really interesting to see some camera tests to see if new sensor-BRAW pipeline delivers significantly better color especial when sub sampled.

I agree. I would like to see Blackmagic do similar as I prefer the Blackmagic recording options, which included BRAW to USB-C or SD.

The least engineering intensive addition would be an M4/3 mount Pocket 6k. My preferences would be a Pocket 8k APS-C sensor with M4/3 mount. Maybe they previously lowered the price of the 6k pocket to make way for an 8k pocket version...

I would love both a 2.5k and a 6K pocket with micro 4/3 mount. I would also like to see a Micro Cinema Camera 6k. Probably have to have a slightly bigger body, but keep the m4/3 mount. You get more than 4k resolution when cropping the 6k sensor to micro 4/3 size if your lens only covers micro 4/3 so there is no harm in having the 6k sensor with a micro 4/3 mount. Any form factor of the 6k sensor and micro 4/3 mount and I will purchase.

I took the question more literally. Projected virtual sets make for a near perfect visual product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUnxzVOs3rk My next move is to put a VR headset on my camera to rotate my green screen set when my camera pans and tilts 😉 ... does this already exist in the form of capturing gyroscopic data as it relates to the camera position (like steady xp) and then be being able to drive the rotation/pan and tilt of a 360 degree video or virtual rendered set in computer. I have not done the research. Someone please school me on this topic if you know about it. Thanks!

I watched the trailer and I did not see any obvious CA so my eyes must not be trained at a high enough level. I think if I wanted a look that was epic I would shoot on the Zeiss Master Anamorphics, or the Panavision lens that Tarantino shot the Hateful 8 on. That said I appreciate the focus on the optics over camera body, I hope this trend will continue. Final note: I have kids and I really enjoyed the cartoon original Mulan. I hope they can beat it because it the original had humor and heart. I wonder who is going to play the Eddy Murphy Muchu role in the live version.

@BTM_Pix Looking forward to using the with my manual lenses and Tilta Nucleus. I have the zoom motor as well. I would be interested in having it automatically adjust the zoom based on the distance of the subject form the lenses, so it could do and automated Zolly. Basically keep the framing the same and the subject in focus when the subject moves closer of future from the camera. Just for fun for those who might want to watch a few Zollys

From the older lower resolution to this new higher resolution versions, all of the ARRI cameras have beautiful color rendition and excellent dynamic range. Just goes to show resolution should not be a dp's number 1 priority. That said if you can afford it, why not have it all and that pretty much sum up ARRI - you can have it all - for a price.

With the price drop, the Z CAM E2-S6 is now more interesting. I compared the specs to the pocket 6k and the following caught my eye: 1. The camera body price is higher than the pocket 6k. 2. The C-fast media costs are higher. 3. Doesn’t come with resolve studio 4. Doesn’t support BRAW for 12 bit 4:2:2 small file size. 5. Does not seem to have the same glorious Pocket 6k sensor. 6. Not sure if it has phantom power, but it did not seem to list it in the specifications. On the plus side: 1. Interchangeable mount for MFT mount option. Though this costs extra apparently. 2. Some people prefer a box camera body. 3. Ethernet port can be used for web cam style streaming in future firmware update. 4. Offers different / higher frame rates and crop factor and /or scaling options. Conclusion: not for me. But may be for others so I wish them luck. Request: BLackmagic please offer a MFT Pocket 6k for the same price of $1995 and I will purchase immediately, and so will others.

My take is when cameras get cheaper, people are able to spend more on lenses. That’s better for the consumer because the same amount of money spent will hold its value because it is not spend on some thing disposable like a digital camera body. The consumer is better off in the long run with $98k in lenses and a $2k camera body than $40k in lenses than $60k in a camera body. Probably the best solution is $10k for 3 cameras and sound and $90k In lenses, if you can afford it...

So is the suggested workflow to record with the NR inline? In post there is Resolve’s audio noise reduction followed by Accentize VoiceGate which provide a real-time AI driven audio noise reduction chain that is hard to beat.

RED always finds a way to justify their sales and marketing decisions. BTW, I was at NAB the year RED first announced the RED One, before the show opened and could have been number 3 on the wait list for the RED One, but it did not make sense for me to purchase then and it doesn't make sense for me to purchase a new RED camera now. I didn't trust them then, I don't trust them now and I am glad I have never invested in any RED camera ever. 6k for $6k may have been my first RED cameras purchase depending on the performance, lens mount compatibility and total cost of ownership. It sounds like that will not be an option if and when production is ramped up... I am more of a 3k for $3k guy anyway... So the future for me is probably 6k for $2k, if and when there is a m4/3 mount version or higher end version with swappable lens mount. BTW - I don't hate RED. I love the RED company that delivers 3k for $3k and 6k for $6k. That company gets what people want: performance and value.

Good for RED. It is about time they delivered an affordable product... I'm still mad that they did not deliver 3k for $3k as promised. I hope RED will deliver 6k for $6k. Anyways, I thought the SNL Brad Pitt monologue looked nice, so I imagine it will be some people's A camera. I am guessing it will be back ordered, then RED will have supply chain issues, then RED will decide they can no longer afford to sell it for $6k due to the supply chain issues, so they will decide to stop selling it all together once it starts eating into the higher end product line sales. That said, I am hoping I am wrong... but I am not holding my breath... Here's the original RED Scarlet 3k footage and then they never release the camera... as they said they wanted to focus on being a high in camera manufacturer... well this footage looked highend to me... (except for the pre-release price of 3k). They could have sold it for $9k, but still not enough money for them apparently...

Agreed. I even shot great outdoor footage on my NX1 and so did you ; ) (That’s actually why I purchased the NX1 based on your NX1 footage), so it is do able even in 8bit. I prefer not to shoot vlog on my GH5,, but it sounds like vlog on the S1 is preferred to standard shooting modes, which is great. Given the choice, I prefer to shoot BRAW, but that is because that is what I do on my USRA Mini Pro so I am comfortable with the color correcting results. So it is just a preference. And again this speaks to the benefits knowing your camera and how you think you can get the best results out of it. l’m sure many would say vlog or HLG is the best way to shoot on the GH5, so to each their own.

My start was with a hacked GH1. The bummer was that the pictures it took looked like they came from a movie camera, but when you recorded to 1080p it lost the high dynamic range look of the photos. I’m glad the days of the Panasonic hacks and 8 bit recording are over. Give me a GH5 in internal 10bit 4:2:2 and I can get a good image in a studio environment. Give me a Pocket 6k with 12 bit BRAW and I can get a good image out doors in day light and night time in low light as well. All. hail Tester 13 and his GH1 hack... that was when we were living the Indy film making dream. Just add some Loma Anamorphic lenses to the GH1 and you get this:

I do too... I also remember how hard people were on the RED camera person. Apparently, if you: 1. Know how to get the most out of your camera. 2. Are in a controlled studio environment so you can compensate for weaknesses in your camera’s dynamic range with lighting. 3. Have color grading skills so you can further compensate for weakness in your camera’s dynamic range with power windows. There is the distinct possibility that you can evoke an emotional response out of your audience that competes with the response to cameras that cost 10 times as much or more. I think this is equally true today if some were skilled with a pocket 6k or GH5, lighting and color grading vs someone less skilled with a RED.

2025 Camera wish list: I would like a mirrorless short flange distance body with, 16k organic APS-C sensor with on sensor per pixel sensitivity adjustment for maximum dynamic range and on sensor ND. Stabilized sensor with built in gyroscopic motion tracking and with time of flight autofocus, that also communicates with the zoom servo to determine the equivalent focal length to assist with stabilization. Excellent low light performance due to the organic sensor. 2 x 32-bit XLR mic preamps with phantom power. Lossless compressed RAW like recording. Time code and redundant recording media. 2025 Camera possibility: What I would buy is an 8k APS-C organic sensor based product with very low noise, very high dynamic range, on sensor stabilization with on sensor ND in a mirrorless body. Everything else can be added...

@Blackmagic - thanks for the $500 price reduction on the 6k! Please also release a micro 4/3's version of the 6k with same attractive lower price...