Deadcode

7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Solution:

Abolish Facebook.

Is there anything you don't hate? 😄

You are against everything popular or successful. 

You write articles about stuff you dont even see in person... and when people questions your credibility (C5D) you instantly outcry instead of rethinking your statements, and how did you end up there..

2 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

This is a very strange one to me. I've seen online tests as well as examples from shoots I've been on of the Pocket 6k having really great dynamic range. Yet Blackmagic claims it has less dynamic range than the Ursa Mini and the same dynamic range as the Pocket 4k. Cinema 5d measured it at 11.9 stops while measuring the Ursa at 12.6. 

I tested the Pocket 6k against the URSA, both at 800 iso and the Pocket had more highlight and shadow information, by a good amount. If the Ursa has 12.6 stops of dynamic range the Pocket 6k has got to have over 13 maybe 13.5. 

I'll probably post the tests if anyone is interested. 

Please post some original files.

Log is a compressed representation of the sensor dynamic range. 14 EV with slog2/slog3 on paper. 

8/10 bit image capture represents the resolution of this dynamic range. 4 times more gradiation with 10 bit recording.

Log vs flat: if you under/overexpose your image without crushing/clipping, you can recover the image perfectly without any tonality or color issues with log recording (on paper...) but this is not possible with flat recording

16 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

Is RSMB much better that the motion blur in Resolve Studio? 

I may need to test it out the free trial.... price is fair if it is much better than resolve motion blur filter

The biggest advantage for me is to take frame grabs as photo and with higher ss is easier to stabilize or slow down with motion estimation...

It's almost the same comparison as Neat Video vs Resolve's own noise reduction.

It gets the job done waay faster than a 3rd party plugin, but the results are not the best. Worth the trade off? Depends on your needs. I ditched Neat years ago, but i prefer rsmb over the built in solution

9 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

What was the processing time like and what CPU and GPU did you process it with? 

110 sec processing time for the 52s long 1080p 24p h264 clip with NVENC acceleration.

So around 13 fps processing speed.

Without RSMB the processing time is 14 s, so this effect is very taxing even in 1080p.

Config: i7 3770, 16GB, GTX1070, RSMB 5.0, Resolve Studio 16.1

17 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Using ReelSmart Motion Blur?

Ultrapro pure scientific test

GoPro Hero 7 @ 2,7K 24/30/60/120fps 

Resolve, 23,976 fps timeline, Reelsmart motion blur, blur corrected to framerate

of course frame drop can occur, no retime/frame blend correction

To my eyes the 120 is very nice, but the difference in this scene is less then what i expected.

2 hours ago, kye said:

I think the point that @Deadcode was making was that the extra frames can help the motion estimation better, which makes sense, although I'm not sure that it would actually work that way in how they would have likely implemented the video processing pipeline.

It works, just tested

24p timeline, 120fps footage, corrected amount of blur, and it's a beauty

ReelSmart Motion Blur can give you nice results, however in complex scenes there are a tons of glitches. 

Make a selfie video and wave to the camera. Or just follow a moving object like a car while turning with the camera.

But if you record in 50p and your timeline is 25p you can get better results.

Not much sony left 😄 A7r3?

or your old favourie: RX1

Based on the out of focus roll-off and the sharpness i think the lens is 24-35mm ish. In 35mm terms

You have plenty of fast glass and boosters, however nowdays you are a medium format fan.

Out of camera milky shadows? Probably a fuji cam with some in camera tweaking.

I would vote the following 3 players based on your past comments and articles:

S1, GFX100, Sigma Fp

If graded: S1

If out of cam: GFX100

Please do a Sigma FP video review.

I would love to see 4-5 minutes shorts, each show different aspects of the camera. 5 min about DR in different bith depth modes, 5 min low light against A7 III / S1 / etc, 5 min about color comparison.

My favourite videos from you are the comparison shots between cameras.

Or one big 20min+ long review, but it's a really big project 

10 hours ago, rawshooter said:

I'm doing my best to reply to your posting, then you derail the topic and accuse me off being off-topic.

Moderator, please get this troll off the forum. (The username seems be a giveaway.)

You are so easily offended, you must be from the USA

Mark Romero 2: you can give any camera a nice roll-off and desaturated highlights in post, if the scene's dynamic range dont exceed the sensor dynamic range.

12 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I don't know, the Arri Alexa came out 10 years ago and I'd probably still rather own that than any other camera at its price point.... 

It's not easy to vlog on an Arri.

Sure it has nice IQ, but really that's the only thing that matters? (however you can match a BMPCC4K easily...)

14 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Yes, sometimes we don't appreciate just how good we've got it now! Many people if they wrote their reasonable "dream camera" 5yrs ago would have most of these specs by today, and easily most of us who wrote it down 10yrs ago would have those specs achieved by 2020!

This is the point of this topic.

15 minutes ago, rawshooter said:

No. 

C500 fails doesn't have a compact form factor ("not bigger than a typical DSLR/mirrorless"), so it fails to meet a crucial criterium. And this forum isn't about C500 class cameras anyway, the C500 is a $16,000 camera.

The R5 doesn't have high-quality audio recording, and at the moment is only a camera on paper about whose practical performance and limitations we don't know anything yet....

You dont really get the point of the topic do ya? 😄

Here are my perdictions:

A phone or phone like camera with a good quality sensors.

Nice low light thanks to TNR, huge DR thanks to multi exposure recording.

I want to:

- choose the focal length in post

- choose the amount of DOF and DOF type in post (Vazen 40 T2 if i want, Sigma 85 1.4 if i want)

- one - click - grade = Arri look if i want, Transformers look if i want

- i want to choose the amount of hypersmooth 5.0 stabilization in post on the fly

While recording, i dont want to deal with:

- framing

- exposure, WB

- AF

So i want to record and decide what i want in post.

4 minutes ago, rawshooter said:

Please show me a single camera that can do in 2020 what I listed...  Btw., I wrote nothing about internal ProRes.

And I wouldn't expect too much innovation by 2025 - we are facing a time of camera manufacturers going out of business, slower product cycles and higher prices, after years of a dramatically shrinking market, now the Corona crisis, and technological innovations (such as AI and last-generation chips) no longer landing in classical cameras. 

Here's my list again:

• at least an APS-C/s35mm or better a full frame sensor,
• compressed internally recorded RAW (on the level of REDCode or CinemaDNG, not pseudo-RAW like BRAW or RAW without RAW controls like ProRes RAW)
• plus 10bit Log in a high-quality codec 
• a full, manufacturer-supported workflow for color space transformation and ACES of the RAW and Log material
• good sensor stabilization
• good video autofocus
• compact form factor (not bigger than a typical DSLR/mirrorless)
• solid build  (better than Blackmagics Pocket 4K/6K)
• large swivel display with touchscreen and touchscreen focus
• touchscreen menu system like Blackmagic's (instead of 1990s-style camera menus)
• high-quality internal audio recording (24bit or better 32bit float) obsoleting an external recorder for most tasks
• timecode support (via Tentacle Sync and similar systems)
• USB-C webcam support + smartphone monitoring
• USB-C charging and external powering
• Sony NP-F batteries

These feature list is appealing for todays standard. 

And C500 Mk II checks most requirements today. R5 too...

3 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

The tech for an ideal cameras is out there for me it just needs to be combined. 

Arri color

Arri Dynamic range 

Canon PDAF

Sony lowlight 

RED or BM RAW

Just advance things so all that tech can be put in a small body say like an Osmo pocket(could be bigger but you get the idea) with a nice built in ff 28-70 2.8 equivalent, oh yeah with 4k 120fps and 2k up to 240fps

😄😄😄

 

 

So like a C500 Mk 2?

Or an R5?

Come on guys, you just writing spec that are mostly exist today. (except Kye :P)

5 years from now these spec are really appealing to you? i mean you would spend money 5 years from now on camera with 2020 spec?

On different aspect: why would not everyone of you rush to buy the 5 years old dream camera the A7s mk I or GH4? for 2015 both had insane spec! And it cost only 800-900 eur (500 or less for GH4) nowdays...

So the R5 for example in 2025 will probably be obsolete.

Let me rewind the time to 2015 April:

- A7s just announced, clean ISO6400?! 4K with external recorder?

- GH4 is the 4K king, no IBIS, VLog-L is not announced yet! (2015 sep)

- A7 II with IBIS woah!

- 5D Mark III is flying with RAW recording

What everyone want: RAW (still persist :D), fullframe look (no speedboosters yet for APSC!), LOG, 4K, 1080 HFR. Noone talking about IBIS or AF

51 minutes ago, rawshooter said:

A camera with

• at least an APS-C/s35mm or better a full frame sensor,
• compressed internally recorded RAW (on the level of REDCode or CinemaDNG, not pseudo-RAW like BRAW or RAW without RAW controls like ProRes RAW)
• plus 10bit Log in a high-quality codec 
• a full, manufacturer-supported workflow for color space transformation and ACES of the RAW and Log material
• good sensor stabilization
• good video autofocus
• compact form factor (not bigger than a typical DSLR/mirrorless)
• solid build  (better than Blackmagics Pocket 4K/6K)
• large swivel display with touchscreen and touchscreen focus
• touchscreen menu system like Blackmagic's (instead of 1990s-style camera menus)
• high-quality internal audio recording (24bit or better 32bit float) obsoleting an external recorder for most tasks
• timecode support (via Tentacle Sync and similar systems)
• USB-C webcam support + smartphone monitoring
• USB-C charging and external powering
• Sony NP-F batteries

We are talking about 2025 spec not 2020.

Internal ProRes in 2025? You want to edit huge files on a 2015 laptop in 2025? H.266 is the future.

50 minutes ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

Probably something with a lot of AI in it / in-camera processing will be the next big thing in camera development, if I were to bet.

For my particular needs, more usable dynamic range is always a priority.

We can see fake dof with phones, iPhone HDR blending is sick. Both needs a lot of improvement, but your cinema camera will be your smartphone by 2025? 

All of you know the R5 spec. The dream camera, 8K RAW, 4K 120fps, IBIS, variND adapter. The A7s III expectations are raising.

It's easy to say "i want this feature to buy that camera today, or i wait for for the mark II"

It's much harder to perdict what will be the killer feature in 5 years from now. And you have to develop the camera of 2025 now in 2020.

What will be your dream camera of 2025? 

By 2023 8K 60 fps raw will be "meh", gimbal like IBIS is the key? (FX9) Or 16EV+ DR? (C300 Mk III)

16K 120fps RAW + dolly like EIS + 20EV DR  fullframe for 1500 eur are really "must have" features of 2025, or we reached a necessity wall with the R5?

Im just smiling in the dark quietly you just finished your first excercises in your homework. A lot more will come

7 hours ago, kye said:

I realise that I might not have gotten the WB perfect on the outside shots - I set it to the outdoor preset instead of doing a custom WB, so I'll have to have a look at that.  I am curious about what effects getting the WB wrong actually has, apart from 'screwing it up' which we all knew.  I shoot auto-WB due to the situations that I shoot in so having a transform that is resilient to WB inaccuracies would be useful to me.  Of course, emulating the Micro and getting a decent transform are two separate things, but still.

Also remember that if I do it then I'll have proven you wrong, but if I fail to do it then you haven't been proven right, it's just that my attempt failed to prove you wrong  

AWB is a no go.

When i tried to match my a6300 to my 5D i tried to measure the AWB differences. The problem is: In broad daylight the WB diff with the same lens was around 2-300K, indoors it was 5-600K or even more. The Sony went for the perfect WB, the Canon went for the moody WB...

I created WB shifter LUT's for my daylight/indoor LUT, and i always had to touch the image, it was never matched perfectly.

Would you please share some footage? im curious about the BMMCC image.

@kye do your homework, prove me im wrong

Sidenote: it will only work if the WB is set perfectly before shot and the exposure is the same in every shot. Just like with GHAlex.