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Im selling a Zeiss Batis 25mm and Pana Leica 12mm f1.4 if anyone is interested

@Mattias Burling 1) your dog is iconic. Best muse ever. 2) that bokeh is to die for ???

Absolutely. That research was the foundation of my purchase of an HDR set. I own an LG HDR set that supports hdr10 and dolby vision. I don’t speak on things I don’t put to the test. I know the p3 minimum and its exactly why most mobile devices have upgraded their displays to support the full p3 color gamut and HDR spec in anticipation of incoming HDR content. @jonpais I have a full grasp of what HDR is and have seen it at home, at b&h,workshops and numerous professional environments. My gripe with this post isn’t with the advancement of technology but the idea that this new born tech is suddenly going to make sdr content obsolete. I’ll bet that is not going to happen any time soon.

@markr041 “threatened by HDR” and thats my cue to leave @jonpais 10bit does not cover the full rec2020 range it is the minimum requirement. Its kind of like how slog2 and 3 are coded for 8/10/12 bit values but 8bit is the bare minimum requirement but doesn’t cover the full luminance range or color gamut. A camera shooting 10 bit for 12 bit rec2020 is chopping off a significant amount of data to meet the minimum recording spec

Get the XL. You get an APS-H crop and more light to the sensor. The more you crop into the lens is the more resolution you lose so get the xl instead

William Wages a 20+ year Hollywood DP shoots for 2K delivery with a tiffen glimmer glass filter with Varicams so what are you talking about. Plenty DP’s are happily shooting higher spec cameras than any of us in this forum are shooting with diffusion filters ? and again some of us own HDR tv’s and while it DOLBY 10 and Dolby Vision looks good (my tv supports both) its not gonna make any one throw out their sdr set for an hdr one any time soon

Isn’t the Samsung an OLED screen ? I definitely said it before that it was a screen brightness thing that makes HDR pop. An HDR an SDR display calibrated to the same brightness looks roughly the same. Its the HIGH contrast ratio from OLED screens like your Samsung that gives it that pop and the color gamut is in fact an integral part of HDR so that matters as well. Rec2020 requirements is a 12 bit color depth (and the screen displays up to P3 colors which are no where close to rec2020 spec).There isn’t a consumer camera shooting at 12 bit color depth so your not even getting the full benefits of shooting rec2020 for hdr its just a nice feature to say you have to match your footage to higher quality cameras when shooting as a B cam. Most of your colors in the 8bit HLG will be out of range of the color gamut kinda like shooting sony’s SGAMUT in 8bit. You are viewing changes of luminance as “good hdr” when that is only a small piece of what is supposed to make HDR the next big thing. SDR is not replacing HDR any time soon. Unless your audience cares for side by side a to b comparisons when in a theater setting or on youtube which I can assure you no consumer does. As long as the content is engaging then who cares. No one is skipping out on the latest film because its not shot in SDR over HDR. Im not against HDR as a format but this talk of it replacing SDR right now is gimmicky at best

@Nathan Gabriel yup if it gives you the image you like then thats all that matters. I shoot with a g85 too and I look at it like an improved GH4

I own an HDR set that supports both. I frequently attend B&H workshops and to the average eye they wont notice the difference with current displays that aren’t OLED especially if the DP & the colorist know good lighting ratios to bring contrast to an image. HDR does look very good at the professional display and high end camera level but on a consumer level its way too early. Most displays barely can show P3 color gamut colors at the moment even the ones that show HDR. You can confirm this with a spyder elite or equivalent on your monitor. I’ll bet we wont see good HDR shot content from the indie market until a couple of years down the line. Early adopters will have fun with the tech but like anything the consumer market has to catch up. Aren’t we still waiting for 4K to saturate the market ? I remember there being a gold rush for that too during the GH4 era.

Exactly. There isn’t even a display calibration standard for HDR. The industry created the tech and rolled the shit out totally prematurely to sell units. I think everyone knows we are hitting the ceiling in terms of tech and display quality so manufacturers are dropping as much buzzwords and gimmicks as possible to sell products. It’s not even overkill its just useless at the moment. When OLED tech gets cheap enough to be the baseline standard then ok HDR is a must but until then its just something to fantasize about kinda like 8k sidenote : the 8bit 4:2:0 “noisy” Panasonic GH4 is still being used in hollywood productions and cut seamlessly with Varicam footage. Friendly reminder to the forum

HDR is still too much of a unicorn. On my PS4 HDR content looks great but there isn’t much of a difference because of the contrast ratio of my display which defeats the purpose of having the HDR feature to begin with. Lets not even talk about windows interpretation of HDR which is either buggy or inferior because it looks severely washed out. When I was at the Panasonic B&H workshop the other day you can see people struggling to see the difference between the sdr and hdr display right next to each other. Maybe if they were set really bright we can see the difference but showing night scenes on two displays around 90-120 cd/m was a hard sell. I think the only people that will benefit from viewing HDR content is OLED monitor owners and they are so expensive with such a small market share I rather shoot for SDR 2.2 gamma rec709 spec where I know the majority of displays are calibrated for. Give it a couple of years and my opinion will change

Sometimes its unneccessary for the project. Dont get me wrong I love 4K but I think companies neglect their 1080p performance for it. All my cameras do amazing 4K but crappy 1080 so slow mo is out of the question for me most of the time

@webrunner5 I never knew the value in 1080p files until I got tired of working with 4k. Clean 1080 would be so ideal for all of us with 2k workflows

I went to a Panasonic Masterclass with William Wages ASC and B&H and he had some interesting things to say. They were demoing a move shot with the Panasonic Varicam and one of the shots were cut with the GH4 flawlessly. I asked how difficult was it to match the shots he said it wasn’t at all and he prefers the GH line for his work. He says the GH4,5 & 5s allows you to get shots you cant with cine cameras and he rates ALL as very good pro level cameras. That settled the “is it good enough” argument for me

@Brother wowwwww $$$$$$$$ that looks amazing ! Look how well the super contrasty Sigma lens handles the pro mist ! The highlight roll off and color rendering is extremely smooth I love the look you have going on here !

The olympus 1.2 lenses look incredible ! Do they perform the same on Panasonic bodies as they do on Olympus ? I remember hearing Panasonic lenses don’t work the same on Olympus bodies. Im in love with the 12mm leica but the olympus lenses are tempting

once I seen they put dual iso in it I knew panasonic was going for the kill. I seen a dual iso video of the varicam a while ago and was blown away ! im surprised their high end cinema cam stuff is making it to their mirrorless line. Thats nuts. Your right this wont put sony or canon out of business but the camera they answer back with is going to be a monster

On the bright side I can see people selling their gh5 bodies cause of this announcement and that equals a cheap gh5 for me ! Mu u ah ha ha !! seriously though for the guys with stabilized lenses you are lucky. So freakin lucky

This is going to be an amazing camera for people that shoot with rigs and gimbals etc. its gonna suck for people like me who shoot handheld ?

Dealbreaker for me. Hopefully they release a panasonic g9s or something with a low megapixel account and ibis

@IronFilm so it has IBIS ? I seen this and freaked out !

This killed it for me. Im diverting my attention to a panasonic g9 or a gh5 now

Zeiss Batis 25mm f2 w/ custom sony picture profile settings @mercer has tokina made anything on nikon f mount ? The bokeh on that last shot is incredible to me

@dbp @mercer totally agree ! I think we are hitting another turning point in dslr filmmaking. I feel like after the 10bit / HDR honeymoon period people will realize its not the specs that matter. There are unquantifiable characteristics to cameras like gh2 that provide images with FEELING. Im not sold on what I see a lot on youtube produce with the gh5 and the ebay resale listings seem to be in direct correlation with that. 10 bit isn’t quite the insta-Spielberg effect people have grown to expect from the one click awesome Film look LUT era. sidenote I really want a hacked gh2.

The hacked gh2 is what made me upgrade from my canon t3i to the panasonic gh3. Years later and I still haven’t seen an image with the color and rendering of the gh2. I think the gh2 won the zacuto shootout at the Skywalker ranch in a blind test as well. It was like its own filmstock. I wouldn’t mind picking one up that’s already hacked and slapping a speedbooster on it if its compatible. anyway as mentioned earlier by a couple of the other posters the gh2 era was a great time for video content. It wasn’t a bunch of guys with deep pockets & no skills buying the best cams they can get their hands on in an attempt to be the next youtube sensation. It was guys looking to make films with accessible equipment. It was when filmmakers were trying to get dslr’s to become budget cinema cameras with faux LOG / flat profiles etc. DSLR filmmaking became an aesthetic of its own during this era the newer cameras are just something cooked up from the minds of the marketing department. People mainly wanted a sharp image so they gave it to them. No more organic look from the gh2 and thats ok there are ways around that if you know what you are doing. Imo this era’s filmmaker over emphasizes tech and not the content. We forget that some great films were shot on DV cameras. I hear some guys say they cant film something because they only have an 8 bit camera. Never heard anything like that during the gh2 era we are spoiled LOL Meanwhile the guys that dont care about tech and shoot with 1080p cams but their skill level makes the gh5 look like a joke. They can turn the flaws of an image into an aesthetic.