Ed_David

From my anonymous tipster:
"The date is interesting. It seems this was lodged as a testimony because the original patent wasn’t accepted."
Using Peter Jackson and Steven Soderbergh to testify for the patent amendment. 
WHAT IS THE HOOEY IS GOING ON?
 

*CUE INSPIRATIONAL MUSIC*
We live in an imperfect world.  We're all humans.  Mistakes happen.  Maybe Patent office was starstruck like Andrew said.  It's PETER FRIGGIN JACKSON!  THE LORD OF THE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HOBBIT!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!
That's why, in my opinion, we have the law to try to fix things up.  And always, always, change comes from the bottom up.  
It's every day people like Bruce from Jinnimag who change the world.  Not politicians.  Not billionares.  Whistleblowers, and people who stick their necks out.  The little guys.  And they do this maybe out of pride, or revenge, or god knows what, but they do it.  And with a silly video series on youtube with mario coin sound FX.  

From my anonymous tipster:
"The date is interesting. It seems this was lodged as a testimony because the original patent wasn’t accepted."
Using Peter Jackson and Steven Soderbergh to testify for the patent amendment. 
WHAT IS THE HOOEY IS GOING ON?
 

*CUE INSPIRATIONAL MUSIC*
We live in an imperfect world.  We're all humans.  Mistakes happen.  Maybe Patent office was starstruck like Andrew said.  It's PETER FRIGGIN JACKSON!  THE LORD OF THE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HOBBIT!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!
That's why, in my opinion, we have the law to try to fix things up.  And always, always, change comes from the bottom up.  
It's every day people like Bruce from Jinnimag who change the world.  Not politicians.  Not billionares.  Whistleblowers, and people who stick their necks out.  The little guys.  And they do this maybe out of pride, or revenge, or god knows what, but they do it.  And with a silly video series on youtube with mario coin sound FX.  

Ed you are a hero with this research.
I will have to spend tomorrow going through it properly and try to understand all the facts. There's a lot to get one's head around that's for sure.

From my anonymous tipster:
"The date is interesting. It seems this was lodged as a testimony because the original patent wasn’t accepted."
Using Peter Jackson and Steven Soderbergh to testify for the patent amendment. 
WHAT IS THE HOOEY IS GOING ON?
 

Opinion, without prejudice: It is a shame. RED had and still has great technology, all they had to do was sell and generate goodwill with creatives. All this going mental with lawyers and dodgy patent licensing fees, if that is indeed the case, puts all that good stuff in danger but after what they did to me and so many others, people like Jannard get what they deserve at the end.
According to our favourite Russian friend Vitaliy Kiselev:
 

I understand your feeling, Andrew. In any case, RAW was in Jim's mind since very early 2006 when Graeme was hired. Jarred was only an observer back to those days, as it is possible to follow here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?42602-RED-and-Graeme-Nattress&highlight=raw
 

This is huge news! RED can bully little guys but now one of the five largest companies in the world has their thumbs on little Red. Getcha popcorn ready

BREAKING:  Apple has sued Red over their patents on red code and their 4k raw camera
Here's info I have learned so far via anonymous source via personal view:  http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/22255/red-surpassed-beats-by-dr-dre-margins-record-selling-you-just-consumer-ssd-/p2?post#Form_Body
From apple vs red lawsuit
 
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/docs/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Exhibit-1003-3-Ex1003___Expert_Declaration_Redcom_314.pdf
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Petition-2-Petition_for_IPR_of_US_Patent_No_9245314/
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/52mk7rbgykdyk8v/AAB096zoYR9MoGSxVnUT4HgDa?dl=0
 
LEGAL DISCLAIMER:
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION FROM WHAT MY RESEARCH IS - THESE are just my opinions and my research into the legal documents I have read above. 
 
 
 Apple’s claim:  Patents invalid because tech came from Mølgaard and Presler- video image processing can be applied to Presler’s video camera
Presler from Silicon Imaging cmos camera and redcode seems to possibly be modified from some existing tech already by Molgaard
 
 
Key figures in Apple vs Red lawsuit:
Ari Presler - Chief Tech Officer at Silicon Imaging
Claus Mølgaard, Vice President of Research and Development - Phase One now at Apple
 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ari-presler-a250ba4/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/molgaardclaus/
Seems red buys tech, patents as their own, then sues people for using it.

Yes, we will have to speak about the facts ourselves and do it in a way that is respectful and can withstand scrutiny in court.
Freedom of speech is protected in the USA and in my country as well, the UK. Other blogs are very timid, most I'd even say were spineless. We can't rely on any of them.
Don't bother trying Cinema5D and good luck, go straight to the big US and British newspapers, tell them the facts and see what happens.

I haven't researched this yet.  THIS IS JUST SOMETHING I JUST HEARD via anonymous source.  I just heard that Peter Jackson and Steven Soderbergh testified in the appeal process.   Seems that Peter Jackson was able to help get the patent thru.
NO IDEA.  In my short emailing to other camera blogs, seems that everyone is scared sh*tless of red suing them for defamation.  So everyone is quiet as hell.  Same with my anonymous source who may or may not be under NDA.

BREAKING:  Apple has sued Red over their patents on red code and their 4k raw camera
Here's info I have learned so far via anonymous source via personal view:  http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/22255/red-surpassed-beats-by-dr-dre-margins-record-selling-you-just-consumer-ssd-/p2?post#Form_Body
From apple vs red lawsuit
 
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/docs/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Exhibit-1003-3-Ex1003___Expert_Declaration_Redcom_314.pdf
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Petition-2-Petition_for_IPR_of_US_Patent_No_9245314/
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/52mk7rbgykdyk8v/AAB096zoYR9MoGSxVnUT4HgDa?dl=0
 
LEGAL DISCLAIMER:
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION FROM WHAT MY RESEARCH IS - THESE are just my opinions and my research into the legal documents I have read above. 
 
 
 Apple’s claim:  Patents invalid because tech came from Mølgaard and Presler- video image processing can be applied to Presler’s video camera
Presler from Silicon Imaging cmos camera and redcode seems to possibly be modified from some existing tech already by Molgaard
 
 
Key figures in Apple vs Red lawsuit:
Ari Presler - Chief Tech Officer at Silicon Imaging
Claus Mølgaard, Vice President of Research and Development - Phase One now at Apple
 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ari-presler-a250ba4/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/molgaardclaus/
Seems red buys tech, patents as their own, then sues people for using it.

another angle - THIS IS JUST MY RESEARCH and I don't know if true,
but probably the russian angle - don't know much about this - but interesting about this camera:
 
From https://cinematography.com/index.php?/topic/33792-kinor-digital-4k/
 
 
"KINOR digital cinema camera:
Yes, It's real.
The guys from russian forum discuss with chief designer ( Alexander Kitaev) of Kinor and we have many interested information.
http://www.kinor.ru/en/products/camera/dc4k/
NCH CMOS Sensor
Resolution
Max 4600x3400
DC 4040x2300
Speed
0,01-200 FPS /DC mode full frame
DUAL 3G HDSDI output
Direct 4K RAW/RGB uncompressed recording on Kinor Flash DCR Recorder
High resolution DLP LED viewfinder
Optional High Speed onboard recorder up to 1,2 TB
Full HD High speed option with 2/3 inch lenses 600fps
(for broadcast market
100-600 ISO
12 Tstop in RGB mode
PL mount & SLR lenses (Canon, Nikon, Pentax Adapter available)
Strong Alloy CNC mill case
power 12V 20W (without recorder)
2,3KG weight without Lens
 
As for me, Kinor have very good system of recording informatino from sensor at RAW format without compressing.
The warkflow can be two versions, the first version - HD 1080/25/i with outoput color YUV with pre-color correction,
the second -RAW output, Y channel at HDSDI. The recording on computer by Decklink AVI, AVI RAW .
http://cinemac.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1484
The camera can have different configuration from simply version up to super Hi Power.
The sensor Dc2K 2380х1720 , HD 1920х1080 and 2K 2048х1152, size 22мм,
DC4K camera have sensor with resolution 4820х3400 size 25,4 мм.
The price of basic configuration of DC2K 9900 Euros, DC4K 17000 euros.
Alexander told about super high speed versions with speed 700fps.
If you will have questions, can ask of Alexander directly."
 

Ignore the date of December on the video, as this was shot at NAB 2006, and purports to be the earliest video of a public interview with RED about the camera.
Fast forward to IBC in September 2006 and I've found this video of the Q&A with the, erm, "Leader Of The Rebellion" and I've cued this up right when someone asks the question about the compression....
Prior to this section, where REDCODE definitely is described, he was actually inviting people to get in line the next day at their booth to pre-order the camera and saying how they had to that point had 400+ orders for it already.
I placed my order based on the NAB reveal where the info was slightly more nebulous but RED always used the caveat that everything was subject to change which undoubtedly covers them in terms of what we ordered but less so I would believe in terms of the patent aspect?
 
 

BREAKING:  Apple has sued Red over their patents on red code and their 4k raw camera
Here's info I have learned so far via anonymous source via personal view:  http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/22255/red-surpassed-beats-by-dr-dre-margins-record-selling-you-just-consumer-ssd-/p2?post#Form_Body
From apple vs red lawsuit
 
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/docs/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Exhibit-1003-3-Ex1003___Expert_Declaration_Redcom_314.pdf
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Petition-2-Petition_for_IPR_of_US_Patent_No_9245314/
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/52mk7rbgykdyk8v/AAB096zoYR9MoGSxVnUT4HgDa?dl=0
 
LEGAL DISCLAIMER:
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION FROM WHAT MY RESEARCH IS - THESE are just my opinions and my research into the legal documents I have read above. 
 
 
 Apple’s claim:  Patents invalid because tech came from Mølgaard and Presler- video image processing can be applied to Presler’s video camera
Presler from Silicon Imaging cmos camera and redcode seems to possibly be modified from some existing tech already by Molgaard
 
 
Key figures in Apple vs Red lawsuit:
Ari Presler - Chief Tech Officer at Silicon Imaging
Claus Mølgaard, Vice President of Research and Development - Phase One now at Apple
 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ari-presler-a250ba4/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/molgaardclaus/
Seems red buys tech, patents as their own, then sues people for using it.

BREAKING:  Apple has sued Red over their patents on red code and their 4k raw camera
Here's info I have learned so far via anonymous source via personal view:  http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/22255/red-surpassed-beats-by-dr-dre-margins-record-selling-you-just-consumer-ssd-/p2?post#Form_Body
From apple vs red lawsuit
 
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/docs/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Exhibit-1003-3-Ex1003___Expert_Declaration_Redcom_314.pdf
https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/PTAB/IPR2019-01065/Inter_Partes_Review_of_U.S._Pat._9245314/05-06-2019-Petitioner/Petition-2-Petition_for_IPR_of_US_Patent_No_9245314/
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/52mk7rbgykdyk8v/AAB096zoYR9MoGSxVnUT4HgDa?dl=0
 
LEGAL DISCLAIMER:
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION FROM WHAT MY RESEARCH IS - THESE are just my opinions and my research into the legal documents I have read above. 
 
 
 Apple’s claim:  Patents invalid because tech came from Mølgaard and Presler- video image processing can be applied to Presler’s video camera
Presler from Silicon Imaging cmos camera and redcode seems to possibly be modified from some existing tech already by Molgaard
 
 
Key figures in Apple vs Red lawsuit:
Ari Presler - Chief Tech Officer at Silicon Imaging
Claus Mølgaard, Vice President of Research and Development - Phase One now at Apple
 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ari-presler-a250ba4/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/molgaardclaus/
Seems red buys tech, patents as their own, then sues people for using it.

Fascinating Ed.
My opinion:
Loos like Jim Jannard went after Apple over RAW and this then landed on his door step.
Apple has a lawyer British imaging scientist on $600 per hour
Hunter just became the hunted.

There are companies that use commonly used components and delete the writings with the Dremel when they are laser-marked or with the solvent when screen-printed ... (because I did).
There is always the smartest of all that sometimes gets caught with fingers in the jam.
After all, just buy the sensors (Sony or whoever you want), buy an Arm processor, some components for I-O, a good electronic engineer, a software engineer, assemble everything ... sell

@andrewreid you got all my support. Continue to be free to speak and express your opinions. As you said, you leave in a free country.
I'll support you if RED try again to sue you please share to us and start a kickstarter to pay for lawyer.
Life doen't have to be managed by lawsuit or patent.
Sharing knowledge is the only way to respectable world.
Thanks again for your work.

so great that you do this Ed_David
yes but that will take a long time. As uncompressed raw at 4 or 6k is really storage intensive. In my example I shoot around 50-100 hours for a film (documentary) and have to backup the files at least triple on HDD during shooting around the world. With  intensive compressed raw it would now be possible, with uncompressed it will take another 5 years...

Thank you, Andrew. This is the kind of thing I love about EOSHD.

Thanks for doing this Andrew.  I'm trying to get an interview with Bruce from Jinnimag and try to get up enough evidence to show Wired and the NYTimes, New Yorker, and Engadget and Variety and Hollywood reporter to cover this story.  Also maybe sharing this news with Sony and Canon, maybe they have industry connections they can use.  I spoke to a journalist at Ars Technica, and he said they don't have the resources to verify the claims in the Jinnimag video - they need a red minimag and a red touch lcd, but maybe they have legal experts they can talk to - or if someone has a patent lawyer we can consult with.
Let me know who wants to help start getting this going.
Andrew, also you should consult with a lawyer about their NDA against you.  I'm sure someone can offer you pro-bono legal advice.  It seems a little fishy.

I feel the patent issue is probably dead in the water based on how the patent office works.
The “Made in USA” claims however...that’s looking like deception and possible fraud, at least for that LCD screen.
What is their possible justification for being “made in the usa” or even “assembled in the USA”.
If they did this with the LCD screen what other components did they do it with, if any?
And why would they sue Andrew for talking smack about their product instead of rising to the occasion? Kinda shows a company culture of “bully litigation”.
i suspect a lot of this is driven by the personality of REDs CEO.

Disruptive technology indeed..