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Thanks for the test. So, from your results, 10 bit alone is not the cause of the problem. Is there more processing power needed in N-Log compared to other picture styles? I am not sure so. It could be another thing related to N-Log, maybe a bug, under expousre or so.

But you can say "image good enough to tell a story" about most of the cameras in market today... even on some smartphones.

You can also say "forget specs and just shoot" about any camera.

All these general sentences teach nothing when you try judge a camera.

2 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Softness, which is virtually unperceivable is preferable to the jello effect and abrupt shifts that come with hardware stabilization. It's one of the reasons I happily ditched the GH5 for the S version.

So you use Gimbal I suppose. Do you also add sometimes digital IS in post?

4 minutes ago, Django said:

As explained above, EOS R's EIS communicates with the gyroscope as well as the lens IS to give you a result close if not superior to 5 axis IBIS.

 

As you said, as long as the EIS has extra crop and softness, it cannot be "close or superior" to IBIS. On the day it will overcome these 2 problems, then I will prefer that.

6 minutes ago, DBounce said:

There are always compromises. I've yet to see the perfect system. And I can tell you I have used the best. But let's face the facts... you can only physically move a camera sensor so far. And that distance is no more than a fraction of an inch. So that's you physical limit as to how much movement can be compensated for. Whereas with a larger framing, one could easily compensate for several inches of movement electronically. 

So, that's why right now, for hand held shooting (while standing) IBIS is better without any sharpness / crop loss. For smooth walking, Gimbal + high quality digital IS is probably the best option.

13 minutes ago, DBounce said:

The 5 stops blur reduction matches the performance of the Nikon Z6 with IBIS. Warp stabilizer in post cannot achieve the same level of artifacts free stabilization. Which is why I never use it. I think electronic is the best solution. In its most extreme implementations such as in 360 cameras, its performance even surpasses gimbals. 

 

But there are some not so good aspects of that compared to IBIS: you loose some sharpness in picture and in most cases, you get another extra crop of the frame while using digital IS.

Reminds the Pana GH4 behavior where 4K focus was worse than shooting in 1080 - lack of enough calculation power. 

You have to study how to do panning with IBIS, but If you do a hand filming in general, than IBIS is great for eliminating hand shakes, better than in lens IS. And it works with every lens of course.

But, don't expect it to show Gimbal level performance. Maybe the new Olympus E M1 X will be close to that... 

Yes, but in Video, it works mainly or solely on PDAF, and when you use it in field, if you have used a contrast detect only camera before, you see the difference.

As DBounce have wrote, it could be a matter of calculation power in 10 bit video.

Its time for you to take a break from this forum. You keep posting in every thread here, whether you know something or nothing about the subject. Congratulations, you just became the official Troll of EOSHD.

4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Oh I am not suggesting it was exposed wrong. Most cameras work on Contrast detection for AF and there is very little in a normal Log. Contrast and Saturation is 2 things you have to add in post.

But the Z6 AF does not work on Contrast detection, so why do you write such a useless posts?

Well....

https://variety.com/2015/artisans/production/the-revenant-cinematography-emmanuel-lubezki-1201661435/

37 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Wider lenses tend to distort. Not great for close ups unless that look is intended to tell the audience something about the character or situation.

 

This is not a battle between brands. If a camera has a flaw, then it has a flaw. Its funny how a brand followers try their best effort to explain in the name of the company, why this flaw is not a flow. 

"APS-C video is good enough", so buy APS-C...
"Only for 4K video does it apply a 1.74x crop".
Are you serious? I have been shooting only 4K in the last 2-3 years. "Only"...

Like some people say: "IT'S NOT A BUG, IT'S A FEATURE"...

12 hours ago, DBounce said:

Yet many here use crop sensor cameras with little complaints. I’m honestly more concerned with IQ and flexibility in post.

So, with your logic, even a full frame camera with a 1" crop is great because some people buy native 1" cameras and don't complain...

Each camera with its own format, if you want APS-C crop, you buy a native APS-C camera with native lenses. I you want FF,  you buy FF camera.

2 hours ago, DBounce said:

While I do not expect flagship level AF, I do expect it to be quite good given the linage. Yes the crop, but my 1DXMK2 is cropped in video... and the C200 is Super35... which is a 1.5X crop. So is it such a deal breaker? Maybe this issue is overblown? Thoughts?

Well, the 1DXMK2 focus is great, the EOS R less so. The crop factor of EOS R is very bad.

Each fact to its own, the EOS R crop is not less bad because of the great focus of the 1DXMK2, this is a Canon fan thinking.

No, its not over blown. None of the competition have such a severe crop and rolling shutter. You can only compare it to Canon stuff, so this is the shit Canon users are used for.

Thanks!

What color gamut does the Nikon Z shoot in 4K 10 bit? In Sony cameras, you can choose bt2020, but I did not see this option in Nikon menu.

This camera needs a sensor with much better image quality than E M1 II in order to justify the price. Hope we don't see here another m43 sensor without BSI.

Do you think it will be the A7S III sensor?

Funny but welcome!

And how do you know Nikon does not have the same 12 bit ADC?

Well, the Nikon D850 sensor is not "handicapped" compared to the A7R III. The banding problem in Z7 is caused by the fact That Nikon did not treat the PDAF pixels as it should be in the RAW files. Nothing related to Sony here.

Any formal link for this info?