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So you rush to judge based on 2-3 samples?

Jonpais, its nothing to do with cameras, just psychology… some people just waste their lives unsatisfied.  

Vegas Pro 14 also opens only the 60p files.

3 minutes ago, Don Kotlos said:

The articulating screen is more of a reliability concern for me 

Why? Have you heard about a problem concerning this with the GH4?

Live link is provided as a paid upgrade to GH4 owners ;-)

12 minutes ago, Vesku said:

4k Photo has 16:9, why not 6k photo?

Because you don't read what Panasonic write "6K PHOTO is a high speed burst shooting function that cuts a still image out of a 4:3 or 3:2 video footage with 18-megapixel".

The sensor does not have 6K pixels width.

4K in GH5 is already down sampled from full sensor. 6K photo will offer only 4:3 and 3:2 ratio, not 16:9.

12 minutes ago, mercer said:

Idk, Panasonic used MJPEG for a long time in their earlier models... not to mention what codec can be used at such large files yet still write to SD cards? Honestly, I'm just asking as I don't know the answer. 

 

Yes, MJPEG was used long time ago - Actually in the first digital cameras that had a 320x240 video... but this dinosaur lives no more!

4 minutes ago, markr041 said:

What is the codec? Bitrate without codec info is meaningless. Some Canons do over 500 Mbps, but in MJpeg!

Haha, I am sure Panasonic is not talking about MJpeg joke like Canon...

The problem with 4K auto focus was not enough cpu power, its going to change with the GH5 plus much faster af sensor scan per second.

5 hours ago, jonpais said:

So I'm noticing that when WB looks good in the EVF, it looks reddish in the LCD. Maybe somebody already brought this up?

You are talking about two different kind of screen: the EVF is OLED based and the rear screen is LCD. If I remember correctly, you can adjust the tint and color of them to match.

2 hours ago, Michael Ma said:

I hope an speedbooster is released to take full advantage of cropless 4K....I think a lot of people are expecting too much from the 6K branding.  That icon looks exactly like the 4K Photo Mode icon already present in the GX85 and G85.  Not terribly useful unless you shoot action sports that you want stills for, and you're hoping to nail the lighting.

As Panasonic already wrote, 6K photo will be available in 3:2 and 4:3 only and not in 16:9 as 4K photo is.

E M1 II has LCD evf, not OLED.

43 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah I really doubt the GH5 will have 10bit 60fps 4k either, will probably be 8bit for that. 

You dont have to guess, Panasonic official info says that. Up to 4K/30p is 10 bit internal. 4K/60p is 8 bit.

7 hours ago, John Brawley said:

Like Andrew, I am a fan of blacks being black.  That's how this piece was deliberately graded (in the link)  I detest the LOG grades people seem to be doing these days.  I haven't found that the camera is short any detail in blacks more than others of similar specs.  Perhaps you're not liking their flat curve, and it sure could be bent a little more.

But I think a very loggy image with an 8 bit codec doesn't work either when you try to put contrast back in.  It's a fine line trying to stretch DR over 8 bits. Not many do it, but the Oly cameras also have their great curve editor so you can make your own flatter profile.  Give it a try !  INterested if anyone has ?  It's what I used to do before the FLAT profile.  Sometimes it's good, but I find it's diminishing returns to try and put a nice look back onto the image.

And yes, the EM5 Mark II is meant to be their "video" oriented model.  But it does have a different sensor family.  Personally for stills I very much prefer the EM1 Mark 2 and the video is a very decent improvement over the EM5 mark 2 for many practical reasons.  4K helps a lot too.

Look at how far they've come within 2 models of suddenly waking up and taking video seriously.  I have been active with Olympus and they really are listening and want to improve their video capabilities. They're never going to make a fully video oriented model, as photos and optics (and actually mostly endoscopes) are their core business but, I've been pleasantly surprised at how a they've come, and that's from sitting on the inside somewhat of product development.

And they know what semi professional, serious enthusiast users want from video now...it's up to them to see what they can add, but they've always been true innovators.  It's why I've always liked them.  I've been shooting Olympus digital still since the E1 (Kodak CCD sensor back then) 

They don't get enough credit really when you look at what they've done.  They have always been genuinely innovative. They created the ultrasonic sensor clean, they were the first to do live view, their cameras and lenses have always been smaller, lighter, robust and weatherproof.  They just haven't been paying attention to video till recently.  Now they've woken up. 

Did you have the chance to compare E M1 II video quality to a Panasonic camera? And please ask Olympus team to improve the auto focus in video, let it stop breathing!

E-M1 Mark II vs A6500 ibis test 1080p:

New 4K sample video from Norway:

But we don't know the codec yet, maybe it will be some h.265?

24 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Personally I'll wait for the Panasonic G80,  which will have 95% of the GH5 specs 95% of the time for 50% of the cost!! ;-)

How do you calculate that? is 8 bit video 95% of 10 bit video?

There is not real 2 stops better sensitivity. Its also a matter of stronger NR that brings details smearing

12 minutes ago, jonpais said:

incremental changes... color is basically identical after three years.

In real life, color have changed. Don't forget this is a one frame from lab image, no skin color, no changing wb and so...

Exactly!

iDynamic introduce artificial processing to the image. you can see for yourself in stills that highlights are worse. Show us a fair comparison from raw, not this.

27 minutes ago, Vesku said:

This is not my test. I dont have other than GH4. I got those images from GX85 topic. 

Yes a proper test would be have exact the same settings. This shows how much more contrasty the GX85 (G85) is because idynamic increases visible dyn range and GX85 clips still more compared to GH4 without idynamic.

No, you've got the wrong conclusion. iDynamic in many time does clip highlights in order to show more contrasty image. So the test you brought is misleading.

One of them only: the GX85 which makes it uneven test.