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5 hours ago, DBounce said:

It's not a E-M1 II with a grip. In terms of the body it is greatly updated. The weather-sealing is top notch. It no doubt is a much tougher camera. Granted, it shares much of its electronics with the E-M1 II, but the body is a huge upgrade. That said, you would have to be a bit insane to want to plop down $3000 for this camera. From all accounts this camera is robust, but it is outdated in many important ways. While the image stabilization is amazing, the warping effect that it sometimes produces will be the gremlin that ruins the important must get shot for you. 

It's not hard to make the decision to pass on this one. I think this camera may be further proof that M43 is dying. They could have done something epic at this price point.... built in ND, Global shutter, Dual ISO, 120 fps 4k.... the body is certainly large enough; but all they did was to toughen the body and rehash some old tech. Pity. 

No, its not a "much tougher" camera comared to the E M1 II. You could wash the E M1 II in tap water and have no problem, you can go into water falls taking pictures, I had no problem doing that. Working in minus 10 Celcius degrees? Done that, No problem.

Olympus always gave us impressive weather proof bodies, so I don't see any real E M1 X advantage in this area.

They just did nothing to improve video quality, same codec, such a shame.

10 minutes ago, frontfocus said:

Now that the official specs are out, the camera looks really disappointing from a videostandpoint. No 4K 60p, low bitrates, only 8bit and so on...

Personally I thought it would at least get G9 specs

Agree, total fail.

It can be reduced.

If its too much, I don't mind Nikon doing large crop for 4K 60p, like X-T3...

So output through HDMI could give 60p...

19 hours ago, DBounce said:

Looks like Atomos is saying the Nikon can output higher resolution than 4K. Their video at CES was shot in 4K or more and at 12 bit.

 

The Atomos guy also say that Z can output 4K 60p.

Any word about the Z7? same problem?

Well, Vegas Pro supports ProRes on Windows pc, so maybe they will add also ProRes RAW support.

23 minutes ago, kye said:

8K - the only way to get a true 4K image!

No, for that you need 12K.

Panasonic manager says “8K on Micro 4/3 is complicated, if not impossible.”

https://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-manager-says-8k-on-micro-4-3-is-complicated-if-not-impossible/

Short preview of the upcoming Eye focus:

2 hours ago, Snowbro said:

I read articles/forums claiming they did, but I could not find any actual proof. I think if they did, that would make the rolling shutter even worse lol. I have no idea how they even accomplish rolling shutter that high (5div & eos r) with a 1:1 crop ?

Yes, probably its a hardware limitation that cannot be fixed by firmware.

Do you think its possible to include 4K 60p even in 8 bit?

23 ms in FF while 15 ms in 4K crop mode.

Are you sure? I don't recall any change in 5D IV 4K crop. 

2 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Maybe it'll reduce the crop, which I think they've done on previous cameras.

I guess it takes a lot of practice. Also, some lenses use focus by wire, some linear, some don't - what makes it more problematic...

Yes it is. I prefer to archive the best available quality of today (for the next generations :-)) but each to its own.

12 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Not seeing a massive difference between UHD and FHD imo. Granted there is some,  and in some instances that may be important... but when filming people does it matter? I'm not so sure.

I agree its does look quiet good, but maybe its relevant for a very specific case : shooting faces from real close distance. If its the only or mainly the thing you shoot, than its OK for you. I remember the first Sony A7S had a great FHD quality (sharpness and details), but on most cases, I see a clear difference compared to UHD (on a UHD screen of course). Surely it will gain you much wider angle on the EOS R which is a good thing.

A very big crop in EIS...

Go out the house and shoot, then you will see the real difference between FHD and 4K. You know what, even a whole room shoot inside the house will show it.

So the AF issue happens also in 8 bit N-Log? Hopefully looks like a bug.

9 hours ago, Mokara said:

That is because most MILCs don't oversample enough or don't oversample at all, so some degradation happens.

The NX1 did a pretty decent job at it though.

Well, some MILC oversample from 6K and there is still degradation in EIS.

8 hours ago, Mokara said:

As long as you have minimal rolling shutter and an oversampled sensor, using EIS should be superior to IBIS.

Well, still waiting for the first Mirrorless camera to show it. Right now, all present models show sharpness decrease in EIS.

What happens to Z7 in that regard?

So if AF is good with 10 bit non N-Log, it does not seem to be a lack of CPU power.

The difference between N-Log and other picture style should be N-Log's BT2020 color space.