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4 hours ago, DBounce said:

Who talking about SD... Check out CFExpress here. It can write 1TBs per second. Way faster than any currently available.

But who told you the Z7 can write that fast? With the fastest 400MB XQD card, the Z7 can write 250MB, so its got a hardware limit.

59 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Yes, they said XQD is not fast enough to support it internally, but once the much faster CF-Express cards are available they will push out a new firmware that will allow this feature. I thought this was common knowledge?

Where did you see this statment?

7 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Why would you buy a camera that knowingly sucks for AFC? That screws you both on the Photo and Video side. What you just going to take photos, videos of a tree in your back yard with no wind?

In video, the AFC focus is great. And that’s from testing and not only reading in forums. In stills, AFC is not great. Yes, they have different performance. Z7/6 has wonderful face detection and object tracking in video AFC.

The IBIS is not bad on the Z, even better than the Sony A7 III.

I already have "HDR monitor, large OLED TV".

And almost every new medium size to large new 4K TV supports HDR.

And by the way, if you watch this on an OLED HDR TV, it looks great. On a non HLG screen, it looks quiet bad:

56 minutes ago, gethin said:

I'm getting a bunch of people frothing on the nikon z facebook page for querying why nikon set the min shutter speed in auto modes to 1/25th, AND forced autoISO in the auto modes. You cant switch it off!  I phoned nikon today, I'm hoping there's something I'm missing somewhere. Frothy facebook people are wondering why anyone would want to use an auto mode, but for what I do it is essential. Auto iso in manual mode doesn't cut the mustard.  I've used this on canons, a couple of GH's and 2 DSLR nikons. It's baffling that the z implemation is so limited. (and why didn't they just set the min shutter to 2xfps, or at least let you specify max shutter angle).  

I'm in that weird period with a camera where you're getting to know it, and finding out all its quirks and foibles. (Controlling the IBIS via the lens. No peaking in autofocus mode, despite the fact you can change focus manually. No zebras and peaking, no level and histogram on screen at same time... and i have much to learn about autofocus.)

 

Is it stuck on 1/25 speed? I had the Z7 for few days and could not change the shutter speed from 1/25 in S mode. As I shoot only in M mode, did not spend much time trying to solve it, but it was strange.

As HDR becomes a standard on 4K TV's, is it wise to buy a camera without even HLG support?

Nikon Z7/Z6 does not have it for example.

It works same as it is on the 5D IV. 

And the Z7 sensor works identically to the D850 except some banding because of the PDAF pixels. 

No need to argue here, it is a fact that the Z7 has dual gain. 

Not a big problem, Canon also use in EOS R same sensor from 5D IV with some modifications.

It is the same sensor as D850 + addition of PDAF.

51 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Yeah lots of Sony sensors have Dual Gain. Like I said the Sony a7 III has a more pronounced graph than the Z6. It is not a dual ISO camera. Doesn't mean it is Dual ISO like a GH5s, PK4. It is so you can have a lower base ISO for Photography.

Trust me if either the Z6 or the Z7 has Dual ISO in the Video side it would have been in Large print at the top of their Spec Sheet, and white papers. It would have been Bragging rights. They would have had examples all over the Web.

https://petapixel.com/2018/06/15/the-nikon-d850s-sensor-is-made-by-sony-report/

"This news confirms what Sony told us about the way its semiconductor company deals with external clients: other companies can commission Sony Semiconductor to make them a sensor and can include their own intellectual property in the design, without that information (or the rights to use it) being available to Sony’s camera division. Hence the D850 features the BSI and dual gain designs that Sony uses in many of its own cameras but is also able to provide an ISO 64 mode that allows the Nikon to rival some of the latest medium format cameras, but that Sony cameras don’t offer."

The Z7 has similar sensor to the D850 + PDAF.

The Z has indeed dual gain, as you can see it here: "The sensor uses a 'dual gain' design that at higher ISO uses a lower-noise readout method"

https://***URL removed***/reviews/nikon-z7/7

9 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

I think just about every camera has a bump in ISO on his test. Plug in a few different late version cameras and they all have some sort of boost or dip in them. I don't think there is any dual ISO going on in a  Nikon Z camera at all. The Sony A7 mk III has a Way bigger jump than the Nikon Z7.

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

 

Here is the Nikon Z6 test.

It is a dual gain camera. 

The 24-70 passes less light within the same f stop value, thats why you see more noise.

Thank you, its a kind of workout... better than nothing. Thanks!

In any normal camera like Panasonic, Sony or Olympus, you choose Video mode (PASM) independently from stills mode. I always shoot video in M mode. But stills in different modes. When I switch to video, I want it always to go to M mode, regardless of stills mode.

But, in Nikon Z, whenever you switch to video mode, you are limited to the same still mode that you were shooting before.

For example, if your mode dial is set to P mode in stills, when you switch to video, it will be P as well. So you have to move mode dial first to M and only then switch to video.

Any way to work it around?

2 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Olympus is not a video powerhouse and GH5(s) - the most video capable m43 cameras - is bigger and heavier than most full frame cameras so to manage heat.

Olympus definition is not relevant. The E M1 II can shoot C4K and does not get heat. The issue is sensor size.

39 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Heat management seems to be the main struggle for all companies. But they already have come far. Blackmagic managed to do it with the pocket 4K, so the rest will follow suit prob. Prob even in even smaller bodies.  

All Micro 4/3 have managed to do so, you do not hear about heating problems in Panasonic or Olympus cameras. In FF this is more problematic.

17 minutes ago, GiM_6x said:

 

I can't have a smooth playback on 4k on a "normal" laptop (i7, 16GB RAM, 250GB SSD, nVidia discreet graphics) just few years old, I have to have the playback direct from NX1 on HDMI ? . . .

Use MPC-HC player for smooth playing.

IBIS never causes a crop, in any camera. Digital stabilisation does make a crop, these are two different things.

Very small difference between Sony and Nikon video quality.

Nikon has better IBIS while walking, Sony has better high ISO.

So, does it have better video than Sony or not?

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

Only when you're comparing 8bit vs 8bit internal

Have you compared external Sony 8 bit vs Nikon 10 bit and saw a big difference?

But in realty, the Sony 8 bit video does not fall far short of the Nikon...

It cannot be as good with a much smaller sensor.

11 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

 

I guess if it is as good as a 1Dx mk II, or a Nikon D5 for 3000 bucks, well yeah would be worth it,. But still out of my price range.