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Yeah, but a lot of the grey market cameras from Asia come into the UK via other European countries and we avoid duty and VAT (I've bought some lenses and bodies shipped from France/Ireland). This way one can get a similar prices compared to buying in US/Canada (where I also shop when I visit family). When the UK leaves I can see the customs office going militant with VAT collection and their usurious "handling' fees as the loophole will be closed and this is what happens if you are buy something directly from Asia/US now.

Can you explain where I can learn more about this? Any tips about direct Facebook uploading as it generally looks the most horrible?

The cool thing is that the custom setting remembers everything, like white balance and shutter speed settings. I had my first paid video job this weekend, to record a local Carnival parade. I was all set to go with my GX80s and I was using C1 for 4k/25fps and C2 for 1080p/50fps and set both with similar settings except for shutter speed. It was really easy to reset everything back to baseline. I could easily have set up C3 for time-lapse as well, but I was using my LX100 for that. I was using the two GX80 with the 12-35 and 35-100 zoom lenses plus LX100. A Shure VP83F for general audio and Sony SX1000 hand recorder for recording a couple of specific performances. The audio wasn't going to be critical due to the rain/wind and the client was expecting a montage over samba music anyway (no interviews). I'm hoping that the Instamic ships some day as a small, high quality mic like that would be helpful to plant on people/things when shooting spontaneously. Everything was packed into a 13" messenger bag as well as a Mefoto tripod and a couple small clamp/gorilla pod support, extra batteries, cards and rain protection gear as the outlook wasn't good. I was prepped to be on my feet and mobile for about 5 hours documenting the parade setup its progression through the town. Just as things started happening the skies unleashed torrential rains and due to the lightning (and large costumes being erected in an open field) they cancelled the event. I only got some shots during the early preparations and performers packing up between large cloudbursts. I did like the quality of the limited stuff that I got, however was very disappointed as it would have been a very fun event to video. Very unfortunate... The most useful thing that I had with me that day was a head-mounted umbrella that kept my hands free and my cameras dry.

I just drop my Panasonic 4k file into a 1080p timeline in FCPX and either work with local proxies (if I'm mobile) or the referenced original 4k files. I have had good results with digital cropping, and colour manipulation like that and then just exporting to 1080p Prores. The picture looks great locally before uploading the massive file for Youtube/Vimeo to do their magic/wreck the image. There are might be better ways of working, so I'd be happy to learn.

I'm not an expert on video or colour, but have owned the Gx7, LX100, G7, and now GX85. I have also used Olympus cameras, whose colour especially with JPEG output (and video) for skin tones I preferred. The Panasonics sometimes have some sort of orangey tone in the skin and purple in the lips - I especially found this with my LX100. I know you can use a custom white balance, which seems to fix a lot of these colour shifts, but that isn't always practical. I am finding that my new GX80 has quite nice balanced colour using the Natural 0,-5,-5,-2 settings as recommended by @Inazuma on another thread. I used those settings and "cloudy" WB to shoot a carnival event this weekend and was quite happy with the few clips that I got before the skies opened up and the event was cancelled. I did a colour comparison of the GX80/LX100 with my E-M5ii and G7 (before selling them). They all used identical settings and custom white balance with an expo disk. You might have already seen this on the other thread, but if not here it is again. I'm looking forward to the GH5 to have a stabilised slow-motion camera with continuous recording. I could see myself using a GH5, GX80, and LX200 combo (if they add tilt/touch screen and improved Panasonic colours/low-light like G7/GX80). Right now I'm running with two GX80 bodies and the LX100 for time-lapse or for one-camera travel.

@Inazuma Any chance on using these same Natural Color Profile: 0,-5,-5,-2 WB balance adjustments (A:3 G:3) and highlight -2 settings on the GX80 and somewhat matching with the same on the LX100? @Inazuma do these settings hold up in most lighting as long as the white balance is adjusted more or less to the daylight/cloudy/tungsten or kelvin settings? I will need to do some testing in the next few days as someone just asked me last minute to get some footage of an event (carnival parade) this weekend... Thanks. If I can get my kids somewhat in focus and in frame, I consider that a victory.

A double-tap on the focus box on the LCD also puts it in PIP focus zoom mode which is handy too. Going to do the same with a used E-M10ii in the future...

Yes, I should really rtfm as there are probably lots of features I'm missing. The exposure dial pressed toggles between pip focus magnification and full screen magnification which is cool. The magnification square can be moved around using the touch screen. Cool. I think with electronic lenses you get exposure controls when pressed, but I need to test it tomorrow. At least this frees up a function button. http://***URL removed***/forums/thread/3587178

I was trying to figure out how I can assign a one-touch zoom magnification (PIP or full) to a function button using manual lenses (no electronic coupling) on my GX80 and the only way I could do it was to set the button to select focus area then hit the menu button to zoom in. With electronic lenses switching to manual mode or using the manual focus ring pops into the zoom focus assist automatically. It is probably something simple, but I'm overlooking something. Yes, I miss the EM-5II viewfinder... and photography features like "live time". I might pick up a used or refurbished EM-10ii for that as the video quality and EVF should be the same as the E-M5ii without the "flat" mode.

So Pansonic is already discounting the GX80+12-32 zoom or with double-lens kit by £50 (€70) cash back until September 5: http://promotions.panasonic.co.uk/promotions/promotions/view_terms/133

I'm learning editing from the beginning (no previous experience). I highly recommend FCPX as finding and organising footage is fast using the filmstrip view and skimmer. Also things like key wording and searching is excellent. There are excellent plugins too - sign up for the various vendors who offer deep discounts several times per year. Lots of free ones curated here: https://fcpxfree.com. I would also recommend Ripple Training as they have excellent workflow videos and show how to use FCPX on real projects. Their Warp Speed Editing course has been helpful for me. There are also good FCPX communities and educators on Facebook and Twitter.

Supposedly the Australian version of the gx85 is pal and has continuous recording. Also someone has figured out how to put a gx80 in NTSC mode, so I wonder if the unlimited recording (NTSC) gx85 can be put in PAL mode? i have the gx80 (PAL) so I'll see if there is a hack or wait until some PAL gx85 end up on eBay...

I'm really interested in hearing your feedback on the GX85, especially based on your experience shooting with the GX7 and EM-5 Mark II.

I do a similar thing when editing 4k, but I keep the originals on a USB3 external laptop drive and have FCPX generate proxies so I can edit lighter (1080p) files on my laptop's filesystem. When it is time to export I switch back to original media and export and then delete the proxies. Although my 2012 Mackbook Pro 15" works fine with 4k without having to use proxies if I want - it's just that I'm running a bit low on disk space these days.

I have uploaded a few small original 4k clips here as part of a colour test of the GX80/LX100/G7. For what it's worth, I use a 2012 Macbook Pro with the same 2.3GHz processor and it can deal with the 4k from my cameras quite well in FCPX with original media (on a 1080p timeline). Some nice shots there, it looks like a very authentic place to visit and the colour looks pretty natural. In particular I enjoyed the night shots - what lens were the with as it seems like you travelled with a suitcase full I'm starting to agree after my recent colour chart tests where lighting was static and I custom white balanced all the cameras and even the LX100 wasn't that far off the G7/GX80. On auto white balance the Olympus does much better than the Panasonics, but I have to get into the habit of using Kelvin settings.

I can't help as I only have the PAL 50fps model. Hopefully there is someone with the NTSC version. Maybe ask in the other thread?

OK, major disclaimer, besides being an amateur/rookie trying to improve video skills, I'm colourblind so I did this more as a test to compare the colour of several of the cameras I've used. I have tried to start learning colour, at least to balance it and get skin tones accurate using video scopes. People also have said that Panasonic colour has been improving with each camera iteration, so I thought that it would be an interesting test before I sell the G7 (sold), Olympus and LX100 cameras. I have always preferred the Olympus colours as being more "natural" with a much better auto white balance and I've found that especially with the LX100 I've found skin tones going "orangey" and the lips "purple", at least with my compromised eyes. Looking at the results with the Apple Digital Colour Meter it seems as though the Panasonic cameras are closer that I would have expected, probably due to the custom colour balancing? Anyway, I though it would be an interesting learning exercise for me and decided to share.

I haven't done sharpness comparisons, but here is some recordings I did comparing the Panasonic LX100, G7, GX80, and Olympus OMD E-M5II colour.

@Inazuma It is probably too late, but here is some recordings I did comparing the Panasonic LX100, G7, GX80, and Olympus OMD E-M5II. Skin tones and the X-Rite Video Colour Checker Passport and DSC Labs Colour Chart. All were set to custom white balance using an expo disk before recording was started - the light was usual UK grey overcast. The lens used for the GX80, G7, and OMD E-M5 II was the Panasonic 12-35/2.8 zoom at 35mm at f2.8, ISO 200, 1/50s shutter. The lens on the LX100 is the fixed 24-75mm (equivalent) lens shot at 75mm (eq), f2.8, ISO 200, 1/50 shutter. The Panasonic cameras were all shot at 4k 100Mbps and the Olympus using the 1080p ALL-I 77 Mbps codecs. The video was downscaled to 1080p in FCPX. The Panasonic profiles were "Natural 0, -3, -4, 0" and "Standard -5,-5,-5,-5" The Olympus profiles were "Natural 0, -2, 0", "Muted -2, -2, -2" and "Flat Video" profiles. The original files can be found at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5L5s8IdiEl9c0VvM2oyN2Y4bTg

You can also keep it in manual mode, assign s-af to the back button to get s-af during recording (like the G7 but not the LX100 for some reason). That is what I sometimes use if I lose focus or I am having trouble seeing peaking.

I used that recently with some footage shot with my GX80 and non-stabilised lenses to fix a couple of pans. Worked really well.

It is definitely different than what I see from my LX100 and possibly my G7 (although I haven't shot as much with it). I will try to get my son to sit still for a few minutes near a couple of colour charts with all three cameras this afternoon. I'm glad to hear that the GX80 JPEGs are nice now - I will have to shoot JPEG+RAW and take a look. I've been using exiftool (exiftool -model="DMC-G7" -ext rw2 Desktop/test-exif/) to change the camera type to G7 as that was the most recent Panasonic camera RAW which is supported by OSX and Lightroom, I think. The RAW files on the LX100 were pretty good, but the JPEG output was weak. JPEG processing was one of the reasons I was staying with Olympus (along with the IBIS). Panasonic also has had a decent RAW to JPEG converter in camera at least back to the LX100 (I don't remember if it was on the GX7).

I totally agree. I've been shooting for the past two weekends with the gx80 and the two Panasonic f2.8 zooms with dual-IS. Great combination for stills and video. What should the settings be for stabilisation if it doesn't match your focal length? For example if I have a set of 17/25/42.5 primes, I have the stabilisation presets on the GX80 set to 16/24/40mm - I'm guessing that is close enough.

It was all shot in 4k and downscaled to 1080p (except for some of the duck shots where I was experimenting with Electronic Tele Converter 2x 1080p crop @50fps). The wobble is the stabilisation which is more pronounced with the IBIS-only (compared to the dual-IS). Well, it isn't a problem with the stabilisation which does a fantastic job on getting rid of hand shake and also allows some nice panning. It is more a problem with me moving with the camera and making changes in direction or velocity or moving a little too sudden. The stabilisation tries to "catch up" or compensate and you get the distortion. I haven't done any moving shot comparisons between my E-M5II and the GX80, but I might try to do so this weekend if I have some time.

I have only used the default sunny/cloudy settings. I'm curious to hear what you think about the colour on the GX80 compared to your LX100 and GX7 experience. For me, at least in my limited testing things like lips as a little less "purple", the skin tones are more even and the grass less nuclear green. If I can get some time this weekend, I will try to shoot some natural and standard profiles with the LX100, G7, and GX80 with my son and colour charts.