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Because this thread got hijacked to talk about sensor sizes, we're talking about GH cameras instead over on the thread for FF cameras:
 

Because this thread got hijacked to talk about sensor sizes, we're talking about GH cameras instead over on the thread for FF cameras:
 

Because this thread got hijacked to talk about sensor sizes, we're talking about GH cameras instead over on the thread for FF cameras:
 

Yup, the GH1 was hacked, it had some very high bit rate options with a hack. 

That’s all well and good but for the longest time even high end productions use cine expanders, wide angle adapters, and yes… focal reducers. Just an ignorant statement to make and doesn’t help the op’s cause or credit their other views. 

In my eyes, the ultimate ever 2/3" camera is still the epic Sony F23! But very hard to find these days. 
 
That's why the prices for vintage cine lens sets have gone insane. 
And many modern manufactures are attempted to recreate "the vintage look". For example, just recently in the past month these have been in the news:
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/06/06/ancient-optics-old-fast-glass-statera-1-5x-anamorphic-primes/ 
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/06/06/module-8-variable-l2-pro-tuner/ 
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/06/11/iron-glass-lenses-at-cine-gear-2024/
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/06/01/v35-project-retunes-modern-lenses-to-emulate-vintage-lens-aesthetics/ 
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/05/14/masterbuilt-ultra65-lens-series/ 
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/05/02/fuji-ebc-primes/ 
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/05/02/iron-glass-phenix-28-70mm-t2-7/ 
All of this going for the old "vintage look", that's just only in one month in the news, and only what was reported just on one website. Just scratching the surface here. 

While that analogy has some descriptive benefits, you also have got to be careful to not fall into the trap of thinking too deeply in that manner of thinking that there is a "lenses = microphones" equivalency. 
For instance using a Sennheiser MKH816 is nothing at all like filming with a 200mm lens. 
As a lens completely 100% cuts out everything that is not in the FoV of this 200mm lens. And draws in what is seen "closer" in a sense. But something that is say behind you for instance, or to your immediate left  or immediate right? 100% eliminated! 
Of course this is nothing like how the Sennheiser MKH816 behaves! Not even close. 
Another factor to consider is that your mind plays very sophisticated tricks on you, with lots of fancy auditory processing of what's coming in through your ears. Your brain has an incredible ability to filter out sounds you don't wish to hear. But audio recordings are nothing whatsoever like that, you'll capture everything raw as it really is at the mic. (I think an important skill as a Sound Mixer, is to be able to not have any filters on your ears, but to instead to truly listen. It's incredible how often I might say "do you hear this... ?" and they initially have no idea what noise on set I'm talking about)
You might think you want an omni microphone to emulate the feeling you get standing on a street watching a musician playing music on the corner, but in reality that MKH816 might come an awful lot closer to delivering the feeling of what you actually perceived yourself to be hearing. 
That's why I've said many times in this thread, "it depends". There are a lot of factors to consider, and what's the "right" answer can vary from one situation to another. 
Heh, I kinda guess a mid-side mic setup is kinda that. Well not "all-in-one", but it's certainly "multiple-in-one"!
Something like a Sennheiser MKH8030 +MKH8050 would be quite nice to have in a blimp, but I'm afraid would be far outside your price bracket. 
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/04/13/sennheiser-mkh-8030-figure-8-condenser-microphone/ 
https://www.michaelgallagher.co.uk/how-to/understanding-mid-side
https://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/26494-sennheiser-mkh-3050-for-ms-vs-sennheiser-mkh-8040-stereo-pair-for-ambience-and-sfx-recording/
https://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/46551-2-sides-1-midcenter-microphone-setup/
https://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/29875-advice-on-mid-mic-in-ms-configuration/
https://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/59671-sennheiser-previews-mkh-8030-figure-of-eight-rf-condenser-microphone/
https://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/35954-mid-side-advice-shotgun-or-not/
https://jwsoundgroup.net/index.php?/topic/17857-which-ms-stereo-solution/
 

actually, i have a feeling that gh2's 1080p is oversampled from the 5k-6k sensor, that it is so good, it still holds until now. the body like evf, lcd, other functions, etc, may not be as good as the latest. but iq alone, seems to me it is not far behind the current gh cameras. just my feeling when watching on youtube. 

interesting, i did not know that gh3 can be unlimited in certain countries. good to know. 

Unfortunately, no.
But I think that the EOS-M is getting pretty close. I only bought mine for the 16mm/S16 crop modes. Those are really unique features and I love the look when combined with interesting c-mount lenses. It's been pretty stable since the "Crop Mood" hack came out. The latest news is that developers are working on a whole new UI similar to BlackMagic's to make it a lot easier to use. Also, there is a new "dual mount" for EF-M mount cameras in the works that will allow the use of both manual E-mount lenses and MFT lenses (with the use of a third-part MFT-E adapter) on EF-M cameras. It's cool stuff.

GH2, GH4, GH5, from left to right in ascending order. Perfect points about the GH5 and the other cameras as well.
Back then Andrew and Andy Lee made me buy the GH2.5, how Andrew named the G6 back then in his review. A big sleeper. Too bad it didn't have the 50mbit codec from the GH3. GX85 was the first lumix for me being really effortless in color grading. It was amazingly generous from Panasonic to give us a camera like the GX85. It still holds up. But now we want the GX10, 10 stands for 10bit, if not 4K60, then downsampled HD in 50/60p, plus an optional high quality S16 mode, make it h264 and 422. Thank you.
FF could be boss for me with S35, M43, S16 modes and various ratios and gates, HD, UHD, Cine2K, Cine4K in a S9 body with EVF, hotshoe, full HDMI and mechanical shutter.😊

...as was the new 20MP sensor, 4k 50p/60p video support and great oversampled FHD (which looked almost as good as 4k). And not forgetting internal 4:2:2 video recording.
A well-rounded hybrid camera and reliable video workhorse, for me the GH5 is easily the most significant GH series camera since the GH2. Even 7 years after its launch they still fetch decent prices used - probably because they are good, get-the-job-done tools. The GH6 & GH7 are improved versions of the same basic idea, but it was the GH5 that pretty much defined the video-oriented hybrid with IBIS concept, not just for Panasonic but for the other manufacturers subsequent models targeted at the same market.

That depends on where you purchased it, in my country the GH3 was unlimited recording length. 
This is what I felt made the GH3 the ultimate stills camera (for filmmaking) of the 1080 era, and a refinement of the GH2. 
All the great benefits of the GH2 hack (such as unlimited recordings and better image quality) you could get in the GH3 without needing to hack it. But you also got other benefits from the GH3 as well that the GH2 didn't have: better weatherproofing, better battery life, slow motion FHD, much better OLED, better low light, better DR, headphone jack, clean HDMI, WiFi, and more. 
I think the GH5 was more than just a refinement of the GH4, as internal 10bit and IBIS are both two big things 
And yeah, mentioned the GH5 already
Yeah it is a question of if with time (say in 2030, or even 2040) will the GH2 be most famous for its hack and early impact in the beginning days of the HDSLR Revolution? Or will it be the GH4 for being the first with 4K?

I dunno, but it wouldn't surprise me. 
Wasn't the SRW900PL the F35 in a broadcast from factor?  https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/737286-REG/Sony_SRW_9000PL_SRW_9000PL_HDCAM_SR_Camcorder.html 
So the SRW900 itself with a 2/3" might be based directly upon the F23 and share the same sensor. 
I know the older F900R is the broadcast style body that's older than all of them, and is what the F23 itself was directly based upon but aimed more at cinema shooting. 
In a way the SRW900 is the full loop back from first the F900R (broadcast body) then to F23 (film body) then back to the SRW900 (broadcast body)
Yup, the upgraded S35 F23 and the F35 is one and the same identical model. 
Does make them very easy to remember!
haha!
They're offering me now a Thinkpad P73 instead! (because the P71 went missing)  For the same price I have already paid. 
Wow, that's amazing! Incredible deal. 
Which laptop model is this specifically?
It's crazy how much stuff gets discounted for a minor issue. 
Sometimes it's a non-issue you don't care about and you can work around, other times it might be an easy fix if you have the knowhow. (for instance this P71 I originally purchased had a bad battery and charging issues, but a battery is super ultra easy to replace, and probably should be anyway for a laptop of this age. And the charging issue I think should be a very easy fix. Especially as for the P70 the charging port isn't even soldered on! So I wouldn't even need to use the soldering iron to fix that) 

Which is exactly how I’m using mine.
Originally for the former and now with the latter.
No regrets over ditching the gimbal. None at all.
It’s not like I was ever a big gimbal user anyway, but after going through 3 of the damned things and never enjoying any of them…in fact they were an utter PITA, now loving the ‘custom C3 gimbal setting’ on my S5ii at the flick of a switch.
Using the 28mm wide end of my Sigma 28-70mm, in S35 mode, it’s more like around ‘50mm’ or something and early days, but suits my limited needs.

On the IBIS front, we've gone from taking out micro-jitters to gimbal replacement. IMO nothing truly replaces a skilled steadycam operator. However, if you're one man show, the Panasonic S5ii/x has the best IBIS in the business in June 2024. Sony is far, far behind for out-of-camera gimbal like shots on their FF bodies. Nikon and Canon still have issues with warpy corners on wide shots (the majority of shots for "gimbal replacements"). Coming from M43 and used to Panasonic and Olympus systems crushing FF bodies, I was amazed how Panasonic did it.

I think for narrative filmmakers they really appreciated the GH5S at the time, and didn't mind so much about the loss of IBIS vs the GH5 itself (or the poor AF vs the Sony/Canon competition). But for the average videographer, they prefer the standard GH5 model over the GH5S.
But the problem is that most narrative filmmakers were either shooting with something a lot better, like an ARRI, or if they were on an ultra tight budget generally went with Blackmagic instead of a GH5S. 
So I feel the GH5S never got the proper recognition it deserved, was a bit of a sleeper. 
 

That one arrived last week from UK, still waiting for the adapters to couple the customary manual glass... which should arrive by tomorrow or Thursday just in time for The Waterboys concert this Friday.

Those 4x G7 units are used for multiple-camera setup needs, here are some grabs extracted from one of those 4K 25p H.264 codec (where high resolution shows some advantages of its own) videos I cannot publish for music copyright not under my umbrella but just for a couple of ETTL samples here now:




The artist is a famous Portuguese Grammy winner who represented the country with an honourable 7th place in Eurovision 1980 BTW with a few universal words in German/English/Italian/French mixed in the lyrics...

It's an identical body to the F35! But with a 2/3" sensor. 
The F23 came out first. And most F23 bodies got upgraded to a F35. 
Is one of the reasons why so few F23 bodies still exist. 
A bullet dodged! 
I do find it very hard sometimes to resist the temptation of incredibly cheap bargain deals on old technology that was for its time the very best. 
Last night on eBay I got a working Lenovo Thinkpad X270 from Lithuania for only a hundred bucks NZD!! (including shipping!! Incredible) The X270 was for its time the very best ultraportable business laptop, capable of up to 24hrs of battery life! (yes, you read that right! And if 24hrs of nonstop computing time wasn't enough for you... you could do battery hot swaps! Because the X270 used dual batteries, so could run on one while the other one was unplugged)
Also last night I scored a Thinkpad P71 for only US$185! (plus shipping & taxes) The Thinkpad P71 is a 17 inch beast, a desktop replacement workstation with a tonne of power under the hood and heaps of upgradeability potential! (unlike most laptops) Although very worryingly... they messaged me now saying they accidentally shipped it to the wrong addressed???? wtf! They're trying to reroute it now back to themselves or to the correct address? I don't think they're trying to scam me...   they've got thousands of feedback ratings with a 99.6% rating! And they said if they can't sort it out they will offer me a different laptop (but they don't have any I want...) or a refund (but I want my P71!). 
Or a couple of weeks ago I got a miracle deal on a Lectrosonics UHD200D for just US$100! (my other one I paid about less than US$300 for secondhand in 2022, and I thought that was an amazing deal for it! Yes it's technology from the early 2000's, but still works well and sounds great in 2024!) I think that UH200D I got this month will remain my most amazing #1 bargain of 2024. 
 

That's wild! Didn't think Nikon and Leica would be collaborating. 
Wouldn't it make more sense to do a S5 like this than a Z6?? At least Panasonic and Lecia have a long history of working together 
Awww.... that's cute

I've been over "shallowest DOF" for a while now.  For quite a while, I've been more interested in "proper DOF."  The right DOF is the one that fits the story that you're trying to tell with the right amount of detail in background areas.  Want to express the subject's extreme isolation?  You might actually be wide open with a very fast lens.  Want to draw attention to the subject?  Probably better to stop down a little bit so that the background is identifiable, but still oof.  Want to present the subject occupying a place, such as in a wide establishing shot?  Stop down a bit more.
Similarly, lens choice should be driven by desired look/impact.  Shooting futuristic sci-fi?  Maybe you want some really sharp glass.  Shooting something a bit more romantic with lots of high-key lighting and close-ups?  Probably better to choose something a little softer.  Making a short film starring a can of beans?  Maybe don't overthink it.

The Sony SRW900 comes in two variantes, one with the F35 sensor and a version with a 3 2/3" CCD sensor block. Is the latter a F23 in a shoulder mount body? @IronFilm  Btw the S35 version was on sale on ebay Germany, with the  444 board, 50p 422, viewfinder and tapes, all for 2500 Euro, five or so years ago. Never found one for a price close to that again. Happy though that I did not feel tempted enough to spend my savings on it.:)
Still got my G7 which I only used two or three times. Lovely HD, best in M43 land imho after GH5, rather average codec in lower light regarding macro blocks, otherwise fantastic image. I would even rather love to see some of your 4 x G7 videos than from your FF Blackmagic 6K. @Emanuel 😂 Nerdom.:)
I absolutely love the form factor of the Panasonic NV DX1, another mini DV cult classic. It has 3 1/3" CCD sensors iirc. I would adore a 1080p or even 720p 8bit 422 version of it. The Panasonic HVX200 provides that afaik.  I never had a chance to use a HVX, but it seems much bigger, close to EX1 territory.
 

I saw a used S5 for 650EU. Now, that is tons of camera for the buck. It's like a mini Varicam and a Nikon 750D in one solid and ergonomic body. The 150mbit codec is amazing. My suggestion for serious video and photo starters, if much cheaper is needed, a used G85. I experienced the exitement of an enthusiastic starter doing his first shortfilm three months ago. He felt blown away by the image quality of a G85. It reminded me of my first shots with my G6. I didnt care too much for other cameras for a while. Unfortunately that started to change two years later.
The Nikon Z6III is indeed not a beginners camera but very compelling nevertheless for full frame 4k60 raw and prores fans. The skating video which kye posted looks fantastic in the outside parts, high end cine cam look. Interviews looked ok with dubious quality of the highlights imo.

I don't think many people starting out are considering DSLRs over mirrorless.
The stuff I see, even a bargain like a $1k D850 just seems to sit on the store shelves.
The Z6 III isn't for people starting out anyway, it is aimed at existing Nikon DSLR users and owners of the Z6, and Z6 II... Plus they are hopeful a bunch of people might switch from other manufacturers, but it would be a brave beginner who drops $2.5k on their first camera body and a further $3k on lenses.
So the $1500-2000 market and beginner market are two very different things.
I am talking about the $1500-2000 range of enthusiasts who aren't beginners.
The Z6 III is priced about $1000 too high for them especially in the UK.
They have a massive range of mirrorless cameras to choose from on the used camera market.
X-H2, X-H2S, GH6, A7 IV, A7S II, A7R II, A7R III, A7C, Z6 II, there's loads...
Over at WEX they even have a special Z6 II Ukraine War Edition:

... It's sponsored by Leica, with pretty Sony crayon mode dial colours.
Saw a GFX 50S for £1200 the other day, so if we take video out of the equation for these people... And realise they can go medium format 50 megapixel for that price... the Z6 III doesn't even come into their thinking at all. Why pay double the price for half the image quality?

Which was the greatest ever GH series camera?
The GH1 that started it all?
The GH2 that was the most famous of them all with the hack?
The GH3 that was the ultimate refinement of the 1080 era? 
The GH4 that was revolutionary in being the first to deliver us 4K video and epic 96fps slow motion? (first ever with timecode too... but only with the YAGH!)
The GH5 that gave us 4K 10bit internal, waveforms, and IBIS?
The GH5S that was the low light monster? (and gave us timecode too! Without the need of that quirky YAGH)
The GH6 which pushed beyond 4K resolution, and in 4K gave as an astonishing 240fps? 
The GH5mk2, the quiet refinement of the GH5? (I'd be surprised if anybody votes for this model as being "the greatest ever")
The GH7 which finally brought us top notch autofocus performance on par with the competition, internal raw, 32bit audio, and ARRI LogC3?