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And this is why one shouldn't get hung up on imatest
The whole point of RAW for me is that the RAW sensor data is exposed in the final image, including grain texture and shadow noise.
Also this seemingly standard method in tests of exposing CMOS sensors for highlights, then ramping up the blacks - think about the impact that has on colour in the mids and tonality in the shadows. Yes you are showing what kind of dynamic range is possible but in creative terms it is a step back.
And when you start applying NR to the shadows in some misguided uncreative attempt to squeeze out that last 0.5 stops of dynamic range, you may as well shoot H.265
It would be interesting to take the uncompressed Cinema DNG cameras... Blackmagic Pocket 4K original firmware, Sigma Fp-L, 5D Mark III Magic Lantern, Digital Bolex and compare the image aesthetically to N-RAW and ProRes RAW, in terms of how close one or the other looks to film.
And film remains the gold standard for atmosphere, warts and all.
I always look at images and not so much the numbers especially when we are talking less than 1 stop differences between cameras.
Unless it is a case of Alexa 35 which is far ahead of everything else.

Yep, and this is why I said to go and watch latitude test on CineD. Before the CineD lab test I did not understand why people were saying Canon was faking its DR by using NR on its RAW files, now I know. Imatest is a synthetic test, you just have to apply a little NR on your footage and it might think the shadows are super clean. Look at Gerald's test of the Z8 h265 test, the thing is he got like an extraordinary number that he found out was due to extra NR on the z8 h265 footage and at the start of the file, that the imatest was fooled. 
Now look at the lab test at CineD. You will see above that the Xyla/Imatest result aren't that good compared to most other cameras, but watch the latitude test below. While most Sony sensors even the Venice 2 are at best 8 stops of latitude the Z9 is a solid eight and room for nine!!! https://www.cined.com/nikon-z-9-n-raw-lab-test-fw-3-00-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
Same for the Sony Burano, Which is even better as it reaches 10 stops of DR, the first camera to reach the Alexa Alev classic DR.  https://www.cined.com/sony-burano-8k-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/
You can see clearly when you analyze the different camera test, that the latitude test is much more real life DR of a sensor than the synthetic Xyla/imatest measurement. 
 

Just wait and see how much it cost to use an ambulance in the US, you get 4 Z6iii for one trip. LOL

Just wait and see how much it cost to use an ambulance in the US, you get 4 Z6iii for one trip. LOL

This one is just gorgeous.

Yep, and this is why I said to go and watch latitude test on CineD. Before the CineD lab test I did not understand why people were saying Canon was faking its DR by using NR on its RAW files, now I know. Imatest is a synthetic test, you just have to apply a little NR on your footage and it might think the shadows are super clean. Look at Gerald's test of the Z8 h265 test, the thing is he got like an extraordinary number that he found out was due to extra NR on the z8 h265 footage and at the start of the file, that the imatest was fooled. 
Now look at the lab test at CineD. You will see above that the Xyla/Imatest result aren't that good compared to most other cameras, but watch the latitude test below. While most Sony sensors even the Venice 2 are at best 8 stops of latitude the Z9 is a solid eight and room for nine!!! https://www.cined.com/nikon-z-9-n-raw-lab-test-fw-3-00-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
Same for the Sony Burano, Which is even better as it reaches 10 stops of DR, the first camera to reach the Alexa Alev classic DR.  https://www.cined.com/sony-burano-8k-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/
You can see clearly when you analyze the different camera test, that the latitude test is much more real life DR of a sensor than the synthetic Xyla/imatest measurement. 
 

This one is just gorgeous.

I am seeing the price of the Zf already quite discounted at 2100 Euro (Some site I don't know even have it at 1700 Euro). I don't know if it is sale period or normal price now, because it is 350 euro below launched price. My guess is that Nikon is putting high launch prices for early buyers and true prices tend to come 6 month/1 year after launch. So it depends on each and everyone patience, as true price tend to settle after these first months. 
https://www.idealo.fr/prix/203267232/nikon-z-f-boitier.html

Yes, but in the end we are getting what would be called very fast readout. Their is not much faster in the industry unless you go RED global shutter, the Arri Alexa has readout of 7.2 Ms, the Sony Fx3 8.4ms. 

The guy in this video did a brutal test in direct sun from Texas and the camera came out surprisingly good. It is as from 9min 50.  As for DR, I will wait for CineD lattitude test, Nikon implementation of their Nlog is so contrasty that it gives very bad result. In CineD lattitude test the z9 scored a solid 8 going to 8.5- 9 stop latitude. While most Sony's prior to the Burano where around 8 stops. Which scored a good 10!!! The only camera to equal the original Arri Alexa sensor. 
 

the gap between something like z6 iii vs alexa family is getting narrower and narrower. at certain point, alexa will be truly niche product like leica s system. 

It remains to be seen what the real price will be once it hits retail in Europe, but 2650 sounds like a direct currency conversion from dollars... and therefore does not include the 20% VAT in Europe
3180 EUR would be the price including tax
So therefore it makes more sense to just get a used Z8.

If you want unlimited recording in any temp, and at this price point or even a bit higher, you have to give up something, either Full frame sensor (GH7) or EVF and higher than 4k resolution (FX3), or internal raw (S5ii). There is no conspiracy to not giving customers a perfect camera. The reality is that making everything right is becoming more and more expensive. 

In the first shot, not the 2nd one though. It's some encoding trouble I believe. I don't think it's anything coming from the acquistion, I'd dare to guess... But there are people here more from the technician side than a producer/shooter so let them to speak out... ;- )

You've got to be kidding. Who does that? Granted, if you buy ten of them, it's different.
Why is Panasonic almost always less expensive then? You have the same warranty laws. Seriously, Nikon is screwing the Europeans. Why? I'm not trying to be difficult. I just want to know why.

Yes, but you'll pay $2500 at the end of the day (including sales tax) with that Payboo B&H card scheme. In Europe, you're going to pay about $715 dollars more. No joke. We're back to 1990's price differences where you can purchase a ticket to NYC and back, buy your camera, and have a good weekend of travel.

Why is it that Nikon hits Europeans so hard. USA price is roughly $2500 at B&H (with their credit card scheme) and in Europe it's 3000 euros ($3215) with tax. In Panasonic world, the prices are almost always lower in Europe than in the USA. That's a heavy hit.

6k 60 fps FF Raw internal video for 2500 USD is a new landmark price performance for hybrid camera, with great weather sealing and autofocus. With its partial Stacked sensor, I am curious to see the DR and refresh rate. 

Nikon Z6 III Digital Camera Body Key Features:
24.5 megapixel partially stacked CMOS sensor for exceptional image quality Expeed 7 processor, from the Nikon Z8 and Z9, enhances power and speed 8 stops with 5 axis IBIS + 8.0 stops VR and focus point VR for improved sharpness Offers high-speed performance, capable of up to 120 fps in stills and 240p in video Excels in low light with -10EV AF sensitivity for sharp focus in dim conditions 13+ stops of dynamic range, with ultra-fast data readout for capturing detail Supports 4K and 6K RAW in-camera recording for high-quality video capture 240p slow motion capability for dramatic, detailed 10x slow-motion footage Compatible with N-RAW and ProRes codecs for professional-grade video editing 6K oversampling for 4K UHD video ensures an enhanced, high-quality final image Subject-tracking technology accurately focuses on people, animals, and vehicles 3D tracking precisely follows fast-moving subjects like birds, motorbikes, and planes Dual card slots support CFexpress Type B or XQD and UHS-II SD memory cards EVF maintains a 60 fps refresh rate for a smooth view during shooting and playback Pro-quality audio is enhanced by an external mic input suitable for line-level recording 5760K dot hi-res LCD, 4000-nits EVF with DCI-P3 colour gamut and daylight brightness High-resolution vari-angle display with 2100k resolution for flexible shooting angles A sealed body for weather resistance able to operate in temperatures as low as -10°C $2500/£2699

I think you're discrediting the French. They were probably expecting a message from Nikon over Minitel, not fax.

I'm a software engineer for a VR company. As someone who uses VR 2-5 days a week, I have no desire to wear a headset more than I absolutely have to. I've tried a variety of models, including the Vision Pro. It's fun to experience VR the first few times, but in terms of physical comfort, sitting on a couch with a 65" screen and a subwoofer is way better than watching films on a headset, even considering the 3d factor. If you add a few people in, I would MUCH rather sit on a couch than both wear headsets and pretend we're watching the same thing.
Not to diminish what you enjoy of course! We all have different preferences 🙂 However most people I talk to are roughly in my camp, especially those of us who are in VR on a regular basis. The novelty wore off. We'd rather text than talk in VR with avatars.
Gaming, on the other hand, is a lot of fun. I like VR games. I like how they introduce unique motor skills (you actually have to aim your hand and hold it steady to get a headshot!). I think to get widespread VR adoption, all the big companies need to do is make a game that is properly fun and polished. The hardware is fine as is it's the content that's lacking. I haven't tried anything that truly felt blockbuster quality.

I bet BM and Canon didn't expect vision pro to fail. 

So Nikon Z6iii is going to get released on the 17th. 
 

What a waste of space, I mean I have a Z9, I always use 4k mode and zero sharpening because it is already too detailed. Once I had the misfortune of using the 4k from 8k output on older people, that thing was so hard to blur the skin as it was so detailed. What is the use of using such resolution then to put all types softening filters.