Zach

I use the Sony RX100 for this kind of 1080/60p thing, it's very sharp, easy to use and works well. Doesn't like low light though. The GH3 will produce higher quality video in terms of bitrate, but has more aliasing and moire problems and is more expensive. Decisions...

it would be great if ML sorted out 5d3 owners with a s35 crop mode like the 1dc.  unscaled full 1080p would be a nice upgrade!

To be fair, a lot of the reps at these shows sometimes know less technically than I do about their own cameras, in my experience. So though they are speaking for the company, sometimes they are wrong. It doesn't seem to be the case here, but could explain your 720p on 5DIII anecdote. Sometimes they just don't know. They are reps, not engineers.

Can I have a job?

Let us all have a moment of silence :) ...

to be a DP it is a REQUIREMENT to know how to light, and not just a shot but a SCENE.   most DPs nowadays think they've got the perfect ISO for interiors and think everything is solved and no stylized lighting is required.

It's his personal opinion ;). His opinions don't have much in common with unbiased approach. He's great cameraman/filmmaker etc., though.

D800 is littered with moire and aliasing.... Surely that negates any plus points (and yes, for nature and shots you can avoid the aliasing/moire, it has a beautiful image).
 
Canon get alot of stick... but Nikon are the real no-show in this... They could completely dominate

The only thing preventing me from buying the EM-5 is the lack of 24p.  If this comes out in a firmware, I'm on board.

24 bits will help if you need to do any post to the audio, even when just bringing the levels up.
It's the equivalent of having more dynamic range in your image.

Well after working with the new Canon 5D Mark iii a few times this weekend I have to say for me, its a hell of a lot better hands down then any other Canon DSLR, except for the 1DX because I have not had the time with that camera to really tell. I have to wonder though about the HDMI out update that is coming. I'm now looking at buying a 5D3 soon but would like to know what you guys think this upgrade will bring. One other thing is why is in April, could we see maybe the new 7D with the same function at the same time. Will we see 60p added? Will the HDMI add more detail, I know most of you will say no but maybe Canon will add some code that will allow more detail in clean recording off the HDMI. 

So if any of you care to read this is what I think of the 5D Mark 3. Im an action sports photographer and also now starting digital cinema work. I own just Canon DSLR and GoPros but I have buddy's who own other cameras and I have used them. They include the RED Scarlet and Epic, Sony FS700, Nikion D800, Canon C300, and Canon 1DX.

Let me state this also off the bat, I don't believe we need 4K right now but it is coming and will be the main thing in 5 years time. Canon is going to have to step it up if they want to fight with other cameras.

So first is the big fact that I was worried about, Detail. Well we all know it lacks in detail but can be sharpened up in Post to look cleaner, the clips I shot I did this on and it works great. Also I shot 1080 30p and 720 60p both in ALL-I Codec. On my 17 inch laptop the clips look fine and most people loved em. When then sharpened and put on a 65 inch LCD. I thought wow. That looks clean when sitting about 7 feet away. So really this isnt a problem to me. The RED and Sony FS700 are better no doubt but really not huge to me ( of course 4K is nuts on the RED) Also for the people out there that are comparing this to a T2i and saying its the same in good light, well kinda but once you go into post and sharpen it and color and finish. The 5D for me kills the 7D and t2i.

Next would be the Camera it self, Its built like a tank in my mind. I have no problem putting it in the dirt and shooting motocross or Off Road Racing. Its feels great in the hand when shooting photos which I wont go into detail but the photos are amazing and has huge upgrades, this is the main reason for me to buy it. The focus and ISO is just wow. When shooting this weekend we had an LCD viewfinder and a 5 inch HD Screen on a DSLR Cage. Both are good but depends on you and what you are doing. The HDMI out at the current stage helps alot with focusing. For me I loved the Camera in a Cage with Screen on top that you can move around. We even said if the HDMI out is great we can get a Black Magic Shuttle and just mount it on the Cage in this set-up and then run the HDMI out to the screen and still have a small set-up for moving around. 

So one other thing I want to say is that everyone is saying why get a 5D when you can get a Black Magic Cinema Camera. I'm not saying anything bad but for me the 5D is better, also I see alot of people saying its great for 3 grand, too bad its just like a RED at 3 grand. In order to get one really going it will take 6 to 8 grand in my mind to make one work. I've also seen the footage and yes while its RAW and amazing to some. I dont have time to edit RAW for every project we do and I don't have the storage for the Uncompressed. Now if Black Magic can buy Cineform or make a compressed RAW , add 60p , and fix the firmware with what much of Philip Bloom said, then I can see my self getting one. 

So all in all, I love the new 5D. Its light powerful and a great film making tool when you need to run around and carry all your stuff in a back pack or travel light. The images after grading are great. Here are the full settings we used most of the time so you can get a idea.

1080 or 720 ALL-I, all 720 was upscaled to 1080p
CineStyle Pic Style
Our shutter was faster then most at about 1/200 or around there. 
Iso was about 100 160 most of the time for film. 

If you have any questions just let me know. If you disagree I would love to hear why just to get a different view on a subject.

I feel a bit sorry for Canon.... The 5DIII got a bashing from alot of people.....
 
But the most vocal comments about the 5DII were as follows:
 
Fix the moire - done
Fix the aliasing - done
Fix the jello - better
Better codec - done
Headphone out - done
 
Very few people were crying about the resolution when the 5DII launched and was being used in top productions.... Yet that one flaw is now magnified out of all proportions... Partly due to the craze for 4K and new formats like 2.7k and 2.5k... even though the vast majority of shooters will not need it yet and the vast, vast, vast majority of clients and viewers will be very happy (unless they sit 1ft from the screens).
 
The 5DIII is a great camera, a huge upgrade from the 5DII in terms of stills... and ticks alot of boxes for video.
 
As for the HDMI output.... It should make a bit of difference when you grade. You should see improvements in banding too.

I want manual exposure control! Or exposure lock or something to that extent

Contrary to your statement, the GoPro Hero3 Black Edition uses line skipping and cropping extensively. Just film a resolution chart at the various settings and you will see how severe the cropping and line skipping is. I'd be surprised if the measured resolution exceeded 500 lines in ANY setting, including the alledged 4k mode.

Awesome!
 
P.S. I'm so glad to finally be reading about something other then the Hobbit and HFR. ;-)

[quote name="Matt" post="23413" time="1355306710"]You could always use it for this! :) [img=[url="http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3166/lensmug.jpg%5D%5B/quote%5D"]http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3166/lensmug.jpg][/quote][/url]lol! is that the 24-105? It's funny how misleading the box to this damn thing is. I thought my wife had went above and beyond on Christmas a couple years ago. I saw "L" and thought, "yes sir!" ...Only to fake a smile 10 seconds later.

Buy and adaptor and use it!

It became a trilogy a few weeks ago :)

The TV comparison comes up a lot.
 
"It looks like TV" not cinema. Is this a learned thing or are people really saying "It looks cheap and not artistic"?
 
If there's an inherent aesthetic flaw here in 48p surely Peter Jackson, with his eye, would have spotted it way before it got on a cinema set.
 
I do wonder that if the costume and prop departments could raise their game even further, and with the right material, that 48p 4K in 3D could be a winner. I just don't think this epic fantasy production is well suited to it.
 
All those silly beards...
 
What about a thriller set in a hyper real-life location where you feel like you are there?
 
The intention of The Hobbit was to make you feel like you're in Middle Earth. If the result is that you feel like you're on a set, than make the set less like a set and more real.

Note for low budget people, the canon 5d3 will retain 80% of its resale value for the next 4 to 5 years. There is a huge "still camera" canon user base for resale. Before the 5d3 came out, a 4 year old 5d2 was selling at 80% of its orginal price, so smart users used the camera for 4 years for $400 - $100 a year.  The Blackmagic, as a speciality camera, will have very little resale value the day the next best thing comes out.

i like the Rokinon 650-1300mm for interviews handheld!  it's really hard.   :(   but that's what she said!  :o

This is beginning to have religious undertones... relax man, you are talking about and heavily promoting a sensor, not peace on earth :blink:

Zach,
 
It's marketing and perhaps the truth or partial truths or slightly stretched truths???  ...
 
I'm hoping the dragon lives up to what Jim is boasting. It could change the camera frontier in a big swoop. 
 
16 STOPS!!! - it could be bullshit or it could be the truth. 

Remember the GH2 has the EX tele conversion mode. It's very useful when shooting in decent light, so with one prime you actually have two focal lenghts available.

Otherwise I have to agree with the others, there are no cheap zoom lenses that offer the same iq as decent fast primes.

If you're able to spend a bit more money you could take a look at the Tokina 28-70mm f2.8. It's a bit long on the wide end, but it has constant aperture and is not that expensive.

Another option is to dig into c-mount lenses. There are plenty of dirt cheap fast tv-zooms, but most of the time you'll need to modify the mount and use the EX tele mode, because of the vignetting.

Good luck!

At that price range I would just suggest sticking with prime lenses. Good zooms are very pricey