Emanuel

The neorealist filmmakers brought the cameras to the streets. There is a joke told about Rossellini when Ingrid Bergman wrote to him (they would form a family and a team later) that he asked "who is she?" : D Hollywood was made indoors and Italians wanted to shoot the real life with real people (not professional actors as much as possible, etc.). Light equipment all the way where the French took advantage from their aesthetics proposal. French New Wave filmmakers had all been fascinated by their precursors, those Italians who had left the artificial construction out of their creation. That focus on the true portrait of the real conveyed from there. The light setup, yes. And the natural light source as exposure method too. It is famous the story often told as anecdotal note about Rossellini when he would have submitted all the crew to wait for the sun exactly to match the sun movement in the middle of two buildings around noon... In 2023, we celebrate 100 years of 16mm film introduced by Kodak. There are a lot of movie reels shot by amateurs since 20s of a century ago. I have a few of them, well, dozens or okay, hundreds LOL : ) in my private collection I am organising to say it more explicit as of now. Also trying to save those pictures with other professionals of same field. I am involved with a couple of labs. Part of my business today. French New Wave shooters were kids, young cinephiles, film critics (Cahiers du Cinema their Bible) their Italian neorealists their parents. While Italians brought Hollywood method to make films to the real life, FNW left the tripod. The film language was not anymore something necessarily stable, stuck on a few rules determinated by the need to look like or adopt a professional look. The shots didn't have to be lovely and carefully on the spot. As the industry had been so severe to put limits. Italians had opened the pandora box. French said why not to take the option to disrupt the whole thing with an amateur 16mm format, besides already used professionally for news reels, as for instance? And that's it! Came from their obsession with the real which popped up after WWII in Italy. No more fake, as mantra. Seems Orson Welles (F for Fake ; ) would have said that Rossellini was not a real director but all Italians great actors! LOL : ) The influence of neorealism is beyond the technical side of this craft, not so far from their approach to the way the technology should be adopted though. Here is a list of a few examples earned in the American cinema for example. John Cassavetes, one of the most influential filmmakers of the History of this medium (here's another link which can help to render better understanding of the relevance of the contribution of these people who were able to shoot "on grainy 16mm film stock and set over one night" as BFI tells the story here on Faces and the American Cinematographer here for Shadows), has his part of this route for sure, not only the case of someone I am proud to have had the luck to have personally met and associated to my curriculum and work with, even today, Jonas Mekas. Lars von Trier, also one of my dearest ones, did his course with his Dogma 95 movement when digital video had just arrived. Gilles Deleuze, a French thinker I've studied for decades and praise a lot and one of the most important individuals of the XX century, is the philosophical expression of all this.

* I meant incentivize, don't pay attention to my English, only to the range of my attempt to let you have enthusiasm on my subjective scope... it would be a pleasure to see it! : ) This is one of fewer recent releases to push me to irrationally buy anything just for the pleasure to test low light on such small size factor :- ) A dream come true along the Osmo Pocket 3 in fact... Decades of waiting! : X

LOL You look like a tough poster as you probably already know but in the end, you're one of the most valuable contributors with your real footage posted over these pages... You know something? I'd like to see your tests as you've usually offered us every time there's a new one just arriving to the town. Pity my subjective entries on this one don't incentivate you to go and bring us your street videography on low light shots BTW as usual coming from your NY walks. Osmo Pocket 3 is also welcome, speaking of devil : ) As well, your thoughts on your findings to compare the most sainted trinity to my view nowadays: Z8 (you already have) / Osmo Pocket 3 / Ace Pro :- )

You know what? I don't care much for specs but what my eyes tell me and this is the best action cam today, no doubts on that one : ) Is it limited? Yes, still stands the same : ) I yet love 24 fps with movement, oh yeah! :- )

Pure tease, sorry mate : ) No footage yet, once just arrived yesterday. But, as soon as we'll have something to post I will bring it to this our community :- ) I meant to address the idea 12K doesn't exclude the use of other platforms either acquisition or workflow. As we know, to capture 12K means too little : ) Will have zero impact on delivery for example. As well, only because we use raw as for instance doesn't mean we cannot praise 8-bit acquisition or anything else, like stated and mixed up there within my post. Or even film. That link pops up as slight hint of our joy for this add-on to the current range of resources without never let to not mention human aspect is second to none side by side throughout the technical front.

WOW Love this thing, it is what GoP-r-o is not. Period. Disclaimer -- You have never heard me to bash GoPro : ) BTW I've always admired such good fellow I've been in touch with, David's (Newman) contribution to this industry since Slumdog Millionaire mostly shot based on CineForm codec (both acquisition/workflow) FYI to those who don't know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CineForm https://shotonwhat.com/slumdog-millionaire-2008 https://gopro.com/pt/pt/news/gopro-leading-activity-image-capture-company-acquires-award-winning-video-compression-software-company-cineform-inc

@PannySVHS@BTM_Pix Yeah I guess we have to be fairly eclectic to let that horses for courses adage comply the multi purpose aim we have to handle these days in a never ending complex industry and distinct assignments for a myriad of departments or market segments nowadays. So, one doesn't exclude the other as people are used to believe : ) There's more mere obsolete obsolescence instead rather than the common meaning coupled to the concept itself, as we tend to see it connected with this word. Many different tasks and applications for much real realms which require such learning curve. The older the better sometimes applies. Not all the time all the way, okay, but a few times enough to make it somehow usable at a certain point of the road. To match it with the most modern technology available no less. That's a balance. This balance is the key, far to be the tools per se to rule the world or I even dare to claim they never are ; ) Hence human always beats the instrumental portion of the equation, no doubt. This is the whole trouble, people often forget it. This craft is a bit more complicated and challenging but doesn't break the aforesaid rule either. No specs to trump :- )

Pure buzz effect, keep the hype up! I wouldn't mind to have one for sure : P just no need to pay $5K for ; ) I don't think they have sent it to the market believing it will become a best seller... : D It's not dumping LOL of course, but sorta flagship. I hint they only intend to tell the world they are alive and kicking. In the meantime, people cannot have much room to announce the death of the format, I guess. As we've heard so many times before, isn't it? Retro bet on such postmodernist attitude doesn't hurt either and inflates the cult. I don't think it is a nonsensical release, on the opposite IMHO. It simply won't change our life, that's for sure! ;- )

*under 1 grand (sorry for the corrector)

Yes, it's insane (it should be something under one ground at least if not less) but brings some bright focus (and value) on those vintage lying around just for a few bucks which can be used as specialty capture devices on certain movie projects even straight to the digital age we all live in : ) I wish to see the format alive in any way whatsoever. More labs to offer lower prices for their services are always welcome! :- )

I know this is not the right place, it's expensive and so on, anyway here is: https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/super-8-camera/ https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/11/21/kodak-releases-super-8-film-camera-with-digital-features/ * The most interesting is how those pictures immediately become timeless... take a look! (EAG :- )

Can't wait to have the pleasure to watch it! : ) You know you're one of the most skillful shooters over here I invite everyone to find BTW :- )

I still hold 4x units of my G7s not for sale... ; ) Without mention the same number of Canon M : ) And I am on the market to buy a 8mm camera! 8mm, yes, not even Super 8 but I'd love to have this one: https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/super-8-camera/ Call me weird : D Take a look on this one now (12K by the usual Blackmagic suspects): https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/?trknbr=774237722810&trkqual=2460276000~774237722810~FX

There is a Philippines-based channel on YT used to post walks in the same sorta red light district (serves as disclaimer) in a daily basis where it is possible to find the power of that, coupled to the low light performance of this thing:

PS: TBH I found their video evaluation TESTS rather weak...

No idea if anyone has already found dxomark's evaluation entry on this one, here is: https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-15-pro-max-camera-test/

On the spot, my friend : ) Reminds me some very recent conversation I had with a customer found online willing to buy both units of a Zenfone 7 Pro I have for sale. The man wanted I could accept some Flip model as trade-in only because it was a newer release and allowed the last Android updates. Struggling to figure out why I don't give a damn. Stuck on phone specs like they could tell me anything sorta my dick is bigger than yours, the year release of the thing, oh God, had the need to be patient... I had to tell him: "Don't piss me off, don't underestimate decades to learn what a device is, part of a whole craft, mine for the record!"

A dream come true of the Italian neorealism... think about it : X To those who are used : D to complain on crappy YT entries, here's something... (Marty @PannySVHS, this time, starts with my beloved Rome found now right after when arrived to that earlier Lisbon clip of before ; )

Looks like pretty neat even though I concur NDs would take away that fast shutter look off, doesn't bother me after all with that non-stop score backing it and that adopted colourful style of editing the stuff shot: Have you already thought how much we would all praise those colours just a few years ago coming from such so small device with a monitor all included? The point is now everyone can live a cinematic life from their daily sunny or rainy days as much as when 8mm popped up some quarters of century ago with the difference to be weatherproof/waterproof and definitely much more handy to look like a pro today... They make perfect stars with/from common people on bits & bytes... Food for thought, it's the dream come true of the Italian neo-realism on cheap side and... long life to the democratization of this medium! (so, let's stop to be picky and praise the momentum of nowadays! ; )

I am not in Lisbon anymore, just still connected with from paperwork and stuff. That's time machine to me ;- )

I have the previous version and I think I will love the wider LCD this time... ;- )

Marty, it's a democratic piazza, they choose those thumbnails and we have to deal with the times we live in : ) Here's one from the capital of my country more exactly the neighbourhood where I lived 25 years ago along those years in the first academic year at the film school and it's a bit curious now to the eyes of people used to dream on digital prelude to come by then: Hope the thumbnail may adjust the taste of everyone but much wider this time... : D

Me too, but the versatility of a Z8 2-in-1 is much more shooter friendly than that brick, at least to my pleasure and my back... : D If external power is the way to go when you need extra recording time, I don't see it as a troublemaker anymore in any way whatsoever, isn't it? It's all about that, the million-dollar question to firmly get the right answer for the subject matter. What surprises me is no one has guaranteed it or even addressed the topic so far in a proper way. When this is the main point to clarify over the most interesting capture device nowadays. That is, we have tests for everything, except for this one, at least those to be able to fulfill the cup. It's annoying to follow such those incomplete ones. They test 8K 24p, they forget to test 8K 60p but the camera is able to... C'mon *sigh*

No NDs?

I am very emotional, I don't like to take anything from someone's else except mine! LOL ; ) So, renting is not my cup of tea at all... Without mention I don't even have much time to sleep... Imagine now to handle from wherever else outside the place I am right now, let alone all the resources for. Time is very consuming and costs money. Yet, I am not in London, LA or NY as of now. But I have to balance the time very carefully to not fail with a few payrollsssss... ; ) It's plainly enough when we have some shooting going on and we really need it but then we have a budget allocated for. What external power as for instance? :- )