Emanuel

No, first off, it's not because technical issues are objective issues that art is subjective on its turn. That's a big mistake people make thinking art is (merely) subjective. (Not even 'merely', similar or close!... you've used outrageously the word "completely"... WOW : ) A lot of people misplace taste for aesthetics. The art I like is not necessarily good nor the one I dislike is bad. Aesthetics is an important field of knowledge as much as technology (distributed by different fields) is, beyond and despite their dissimilarities. The fact English is not my native language is not the issue about the hard time you say you spend to understand of what I say, as you wrote. That's not about the idiom also because language is much more than mere idioms. The art language is prone to be as much complex as any technical one. The problem here is that people tend to see a technical language as something objective and art as a matter of personal opinion. The latter is not. Taste, yes. Art as subject of aesthetics is not. This a most common error techie individuals have for the subject matter. Unfortunately. Really. Not show off from my own. Trust me : ) Better to focus on the stuff we're able to discuss on this topic instead, once this comes from the other thread indeed. The new chips by Apple. Isn't that a field of your specialty? CPUs design? The same way I respect the knowledge of engineers and chip designers as I read you've presented yourself, please save you and anyone else in order to avoid reading misplaced stuff about things aesthetes are used to study for a lifetime ; ) Filmmaking is NOT only technology but has a lot to do with aesthetics no less or maybe even more. A frequent misjudgement. And not, that's not subjective at all! EAG :- )

Indeed, I've arrived to the same conclusion without the level of expertise you look like to have on topic. Glad to read you to concur or realize we cannot be wrong when people like you confirm our humble impressions on it and act accordingly : ) Pity this is not reciprocal about some other topics... ; ) You know one of the sad misleading things I see for a certain other type of discussion we're used to follow on boards like this one? It is when we see people thinking why have knowledge about some field they're entitled to express any opinion they figure it as accurate ; ) This affects in particular people with a fair considerable level of knowledge on techie stuff... Only God knows why! LOL : ) Everyone acts like a psychologist 'cause has one mind, can be a bench coach 'cause love football/soccer and any people are able to talk about art when appreciate art. As simple as that. Unfortunately, it is not like that ;- )

*understood (the only silly part from my side is taking this discussion for serious and trying to make myself understood when there are here much distinct levels of understanding of the complex fields we're discussing here ; ) being art one of them... democracy doesn't work for the subject matter LOL : P)

Silliest because I left a laugh on your last post? ; ) You have no idea what art is and I am the one to produce silly stuff over and along this thread?! LOL : D Machines don't produce art. What part haven't you understand? :- )

Aside economics, art made by machines is not art. Period. Call it something else. Who doesn't understand that has no clue about what art is. :- )

What is a soul? Good question... It doesn't surprise me anything what we have today. Really : ) It's a natural technology evolution. So what? You mean consciousness will be hard work... Right : ) I meant unconscious and subconscious mind territories. Not tangible reading by physical means which includes machines is possible there at all. As said, I think ignoring human science lenses such as psychology or philosophy, among others, doesn't help... ; ) Let's see when we'll end up eating our words eventually or if ever ;- )

*Yes, the plural of species is species. We however are able to use it both with an "are" for plural as well "is" if used in the singular form. If we place an "a" before, it is not possible to use it as plural anymore ; ) The idea art can be not singular anymore is actually a contradiction of what the concept of art is. Is AI the killing procedure of art itself? Should we see AI as a threat to art then? I solidly don't think so. A mere tool. Just another one. No reinvention of the wheel : P Seems to me more a geeks meeting all this talk than anything else TBH. Looks like they've all been alerted about this thread LOL : D or then, filmmaking today is invaded by preachers of machines rather than those who realize what movies are really made of. Much distinct to write "made from" (I am on my English basics LMAO ; ) Not (only) technology per se, count on it! :- )

Sigh : ) To mimic human unconscious/subconscious?? Each man is unique. A machine is soulless. No binary digital language/system/world looks like to be able to match uniqueness. The same an animal species are able to be another one. Science estimates a range from 3 million to 100 million. Up, up. Only about 1.7 million species identified since last time the calculation has been shown/announced... Demographics say 109 billion people have lived in the course of 192,000 years. Has anyone ever succeeded to not distinguish one from another? Will it ever be possible? Singularity is part of the universe and this equation as much as art is impossible to impersonate as original when fake. Becomes a formula, no art anymore. I just guess you're watching so many Hollywood movies... : D - EAG :- )

*bother (but can be to worry me up once 'you' will spend a whole shooting day to hold 'the thing' in your hands)

So, I think you're giving solid grounds to your well balanced decision then : ) to fit your needs, taste and shooting style, you can only end fine : ) Hold one in hands in any case before to pull the trigger 'cause practice is a much different challenging reality as we all know :- ) More than size is the body weight to bothers me perhaps, I guess.

The portrait orientation is a good excuse/reason : ) Better heat management to my needs makes a perfect sense despite that replacement time frame already mentioned. The Z8 with the grip add-on is a 2-in-1 solution though... I think it depends how much you estimate you'll use the grip ;- )

Of course, no objection : ) All you said stands. The Achilles heel to those who feel more comfortable with and don't feel a smaller and lighter camera unit an inferior form factor, but on the contrary. R5C is the one to tell us they're coming, I guess. Hence I believe Z8 is yet more prone to be less outdated than its heavier counterpart anyway. For some reason they've launched it. My only beef has a name Z9 doesn't probably share. The concern on overheating issues. Reason why the case here at my own for an eventual adoption is on standby. Not ruled out yet.

Also, sorry me again (better to let it written here before any hater will come to ask me to learn the basics of psychology other than only the English idiom LMAO : D) but those Wikipedia entries are too much poor, so once I guess in a filmmaking forum, psychology makes all the sense not only technology, here is a better one: https://diversity.social/unconscious-vs-subconscious/ I actually incline to see how this whole talk about AI lacks of some other fields of science like we only have exact sciences... and this is a big fail IMO :- )

* subliminal (sorry for the use of a non-English word up there!) It's all about nuances. A bit like language and the way electronic translators work or on decoding thinkers speech. Put ChatGPT to try to do it... It's not chess! ;- )

Interesting stuff, no doubts : ) But I think there's something you've missed from kye's entry. The figurative speech : ) And no, I'm not thinking you're a machine :- ) On the contrary, I praise your human input. People comment people. Not so sure the will stands with AI : D ; ) Which applies for the world of affections and between the lines where art as for instance pops up -- humans are able to. Will machines be able to compete at the same level? I have my doubts. There's a subliminar world I still think is science fiction yet to see computers understand and incorporate it. Psychology (people who did the film school I attended had it) tell us there's the unconscious and subconscious components of human mind. Soul... : X Even atheism has no name for... LOL ; ) Will they be able to match it? I have my sincere doubts this will ever be possible. (yeah, the territory where the philosophical problem of faith flows too and philosophy is not an empty science neither psychology ;- )

I agree with all the points made. Same wondering here. Z8 or Z9? Z9 has that advantage on better cooling for sure. The disadvantage is the Achilles heel though. The form factor, the size and weight. With smaller and lighter intros each year more often (R5C is the proof they get it), you'll tend to see the need for the replacement of a Z9 than the Z8. That's the estimation made as conclusion to my view. I don't actually think may end unfair to infer such assessment : ) Really.

Other than overheating ; ) I just think who will buy a Z9 rather than a Z8 will replace it much earlier very likely...

Will never be replaced. The same way painting didn't when the camera was invented.

I love them! Which means that magenta too LOL : D Didn't pull the trigger yet though... That Z8 overheating alert freakes me out a bit...

My birthday: October 17... Yours? :- )

Me too @kye... And @eatstoomuchjam BTW, I meant 12K. There's no room for further updates, the only choice there it is not fail on the chosen configuration to buy. No room for 2nd chance once purchased. Yes, Q0 will demand for more resources but also 12K @ 75 fps going with Ursa Mini Pro 12K 2.4:1 as for instance... I wonder when the things will become choppy versus the use from internal SSD.

Is it possible on most recent Mac with unified memory? Even dealing with high resolution video files?

It is Resolve but the idea is to guarantee the minimum configuration savings for internal SSD. And taking advantage of the Thunderbolt port(s) to connect the external SSD storage in order to have access to high resolution video files from there where Resolve will operate.

Clever ; ) Loved the sausages part! LOL : ) This is what a real production means as conforming creative choices to the stuff we have in hands... Well done again in this yearly tradition of yours, it will surely be appreciated by the local community :- ) ¡Felices fiestas de Navidad! - EAG

No games nor leisure stuff, only work related which translates to software and those files you mention in such directories. Not easy to mantain the system much clean to avoid those issues without many skills on computing and alike? I mean because I am not Apple user yet despite a couple of equipment around for home use, but as far as I could understand, the idea is they offer understanding of its maintenance under the regular user viewpoint or am I wrong on this one?