Emanuel

I'm afraid so, hence my question... I wonder not only because their expensive SSD storage but what else is left other than external storage route via thunderbolt?

Gracias for your wishes, amigo, always welcome as usual! To you too! Emanuel :- ) PS -- Funny the style this year... any special reason for the slowmo and drone shots approach?

No worries Andrew, c'mon I know but I appreciate your care. You know, I have to let it clear. Seems we cannot make a long story short now from that information you've just posted, I see now even longer than I thought... ; ) I hadn't read it yet. Really. No problem, I understand your editorial standpoint : ) And it's fairly expectable when pops up certain crappy attempts to flood it with spam over our heads. Here is an example you now point out. I hadn't seen yet that post by that "Herrham" making a racist joke addressed to some man/target based on such biblical name connected with a "very dumb horse"... : P Impressive. Very creative. When arguments lack. A charm. Had you/we ever noticed any post coming from same source before? Of course not! Or maybe the OP right there in that thread?! haha It is a single post and straight addressed to me... WOW What an honour! LOL It's not hard to make the connection with my entries there along in that exact thread, where anyone can easily clear up what side I am and why certain obscure poster who decided to join on November 28 and took a precious time to write a lame single ad hominem attack against this humble scribe here of yours... Sounds easy when there's no ban hammer back. On November 28, same date, last visited : X Yes, it is suspicious but to each their own. Seems someone I somehow may have hurt with my opinion and input wanted to drive me silent. End of story. So, the same concern you have I share it with you. Of course, we may choose different camera topics to talk about. Also because we have different needs, obvious actual separate routes of life, professional ones of our own, of course, your focus can be another one and mine a distinct one. I think we usually tend to pay attention to what fits our current scope. If we want to look for a certain type of gear, we are not focused on something which can constitute the main subject of your editorial line. And I certainly respect this. I cannot guess before you say it. Once alerted I can only show to you my cooperation and clarification. It's not an essay, Andrew, even though every single individual has a style of his/her own. I figure out you want to express your care that I may not feel it personally. I don't. That's all OK! As written and very sincerely, I follow your concern and you can check I even ended attacked when doing the same to address such identical concern of yours. That said and now as part of your audience and fellow user who appreciates to be here with you and share your passion, I'd truly love you could not leave out of your radar such lovely promise Ace Pro and Back-Bone releases look like to be. No less for GoPro releases each year. Let's not confound it with crappy copycats, these manufacturers don't deserve their treatment IMO, far to be. Take a look on your diligence about shooting raw video on a mobile phone... to only mention this typical case of your enthusiasm we cannot particularly or evidently demand but hope for. As someone who also wrote there and a couple of us concurred immediately after, if not other, for fun -- isn't it the first reason why we are here, after all? Yes, not all oh yeah, but I am glad I still know who and where I am ; ) :- )

Of course Andrew, I even share your concern when people start to misplace concepts and praise some oddities like a new future for coming!... LOL : ) Even though, I don't think these small devices have no necessarily to be connected with killing anything or everything we've known so far. I've also been pretty straightforward, no doubts, about it -- with a few posts there along that whole thread, not viable to leave here (several) links to, for clear grounds, it's just going there and read it : ) However, seems people tend to see it as two separate worlds when they are not and don't need to be. I mean on features, not film language! Media convergence has brought room for a wider spectrum of applications. Cinema has changed but this doesn't mean to end dead as looks like a macabre celebration at a certain point and also pointed out by a good fellow of ours for the subject matter. The democratization of this medium has favoured such circumstances. The innovation on those small devices no less. I don't see them as a threat. Trying to adapt their introductions on low light performance and stabilization resources to name a couple of them as a positive contribution and not the contrary. Language will never be suppressed for technology adoption because it is beyond that. As actually written in that recent thread about the 24p topic. My enthusiasm for new releases such as Ace Pro offering 8K 24p for so less bucks is nothing I take it as HFR (let alone 8K! : P) becoming the norm and replacement for the cinema look... : D It sounds even amusing when people think this will happen as inevitable. On YT, unfortunately, pictures live nowadays released there, for everything and camera industry follows the trend. We all know written press has experienced a blow. Sometimes it is easier to post the thumbnail and live with that OP has already published on YT rather than somehow add a hidden link I guess people will end too lazy to even click it. We live in the planet where rules the law of the minor effort today. It is what it is. To communicate whatever we intend to is the key then. But, I will obviously consider your request as webmaster and salute you may add your concern over here. Nothing beats an open discussion and I believe this is what the forums are made for. You've made it or we wouldn't have the chance to be and share our thoughts here as happens. It doesn't surprise me at all when we repeatedly see posts going on a different direction of your editorial choices. Fortunately, this place exists or we'd be flooded by many spam entries. The open gate every time we land on YT, isn't it? ; ) Sometimes a way to have the possibility to discuss with people we share a few or more angles on it as that infamous thread around 24p as effectively shown. Maybe not the original intention of the OP but it's not hard to realize that from an attentive reading of the posts published and the discussion followed there. EOSHD (.com forum), your boards, are the only location where this is possible, where else...? So, not much different for the small form factor devices aka "action cams". Don't think I also haven't noticed these same voices on those action cam threads (only one or a couple of those : D opened by me!) reverencing the smooth HFR... * cough cough * So, did I feed "the monster"? My bad, I apologise for the inconvenience. Seems the creation has surpassed the creator... LMAO Hey, I am not the only one... We live in a polytheism right in that front row! : D Someone could say why not there on YT? With whom there, I'd incline to ask. Got the feeling? :- ) In a very particular note now, the one to roll my eyes is not the multitude of videos more or less all showing the same. Play ostrich won't solve the things. It is the spam of ideas what is something more noticeable of the times we have arrived from this digital age where we have ended. I don't also think to praise old school as mantra may help if not having an eye on both sides of the equation. The recent drone remark that I'd get one as only camera to have because it is the only to fly... LOL : D it is surely a joke... Without mention how useful they are as tools for leveling up (y)our production values these days to those who struggle in the field. Or I wouldn't have ended to refer a cinema camera such as the Ursa Mini Pro (12K) I've recently added to my arsenal and I'd actually like to see more people here to show some attention to : ) Mirrorless world is fancy and alike but as user with countless units so far from many brand suppliers (I am not used to sell the mirrorless ones since the first GH1s, just the only couple of action cam units I bought in all my entire life once not happy with yet, what else can I put my focus on as crash/B/C cam?), I've arrived to the conclusion we cannot be closed on that form factor albeit an enthusiastic adopter since day one, one of the reasons as I've landed here. Or we tend to see mere marginal improvements from each most recent release. Let alone the overheating yadda yadda every time the usual suspects launch a "new" version of the same BTW. Hence my enthusiasm on something coming to really make the difference. It's not at the level of the film language for sure! :- ) But flexibility on tools at one's/our disposal. The many, the more defiant self-reliance of a filmmaker is (EAG :- )

On that SSD comment, I hope that thunderbolt port may let people go on cheap as far as internal SSD concerns RAM aspect aside... Am I right?

You rock @kye You're the kind of technical expertise skilled individual at professional level no matter how amateur sometimes you claim to be LOL : P every film producer would like to have nearby! : ) When/if you'll decide to come closer, let people here know! ;- )

Yes, I am based on similar input coming from acceptable lag on Insta360 products from their users I am also one of them, hence why I might end and actually am all enthusiastic with : ) The fact they've succeeded to launch to each most recent GoPro models seems to hint they're coming to improve their offer as far as that issue concerns. Reason why such reports like yours are priceless to go forward ; ) I can only be optimistic! :- )

It's not a bad thread though : ) I think it has ended more a promotion of 24p as preferred frame rate delivery than its opposite! LOL : ) Looking it from both perspectives and each arguments seems 24p is well alive! ; ) Not that we had the need for such discussion but they came so powerful on bright and nonsensical sides respectively I believe we are still more comfortable on the natural side of the thongs... oops, things! : D

It's not a bad thread though : ) I think it has ended more a promotion of 24p as preferred frame rate delivery than its opposite! LOL : )

Well, people are not needed to leave to be anonymous as any one wishes : ) People are free to adhere or not. I guess it is also somehow personaliity connected. We are not all the same nor have to be :- ) Thank you for your words in a way or another, always appreciated.

Distinct applications among them film production, VFX, film transfer.

On the contrary, it is rather important what dreams are made of ; ) In any case, prediction is hardly to end pretty accurate 100% even when we think digital ended with film, looks like to see many zombies out there : D or Kodak wouldn't launch a Super 8 camera for $5000 or do you think they would?

The same way TV didn't kill radio, the screen didn't extinguish the stage ; ) Or vice versa?? : D Does it matter what comes next? Really? ;- ) LOL

If you go on reduser you'll have the chance to find posts of mine about RED itself in the same period about the same 5D2 equation ; ) It's not about crystall ball we are here now nor such recent past but hundreds of years of art history and psychology (perception) only to name a few ;- ) One hundred years and a quarter of history of this medium can also help because there are a lot of examples but takes time to watch them all! : D

Democracy means responsibility to open the mouth about something we had studied at least a bit to begin with. No need to go to school but requires hard work. Hype is not enough. This doesn't bring good habits or enough to classify anything.

I guess absolute freedom of speech... : ) I think Marty aka @PannySVHS is more focused towards credentials on this one 'cause a certain level of democracy typifies to weigh variables for making it fair and balanced. Ignorance cannot equal its opposite. It's all about that IMHO (EAG :- )

I just see some statements like they come from a certain grade of expertise when they don't : ) Without mention to put Peter Jackson, only to name one case, as he could be an authority on film aesthetics... *Phew* C'mon, this sounds a bit pathetic to not write plenty enough.

But if I would have only to buy one and carry with me? DJI Mini 4 Pro because flies too! LOL : ) On the ground to have with me all around? Osmo Pocket 3 or the new Ace Pro has also impressed me. Its 8K 24p looks like a winner there. A camera unfortunately or not is the one we can use. Going to a set? Ursa Mini Pro 12K, for some reason I've just purchased it :- )

I concur, Z8 (Z9 is a complete different camera despite to be a sister/brother) is the one to me right now, maybe, and I don't even have one... : D That infamous overheating aura scares me a hell of a bit!

Right. But realism is not absence of representation. The problem here is people come to discuss things they don't have clue about : ) With the due respect, it's not because someone is a skilled film professional in one or another technical aspect of this craft, I will discuss film aesthetics from some other departments of this same craft with. To each their own. And opinion doesn't convert a fact either. There is who understands it and who doesn't and never will. - EAG :- )

For a simple reason: with an APSC camera you won't have an action camera ; ) With the back-bone camera you'll have both! On the light side of the universe, yet: https://www.back-bone.ca/product-category/lenses/cs-c-mount/ https://www.back-bone.ca/product-category/adapters/ To me it is a perfect camera! : ) You need AF? Add another original unit to your kit. Ace Pro 8K 24p won't replace a FF Z8 8K 60p RAW as for instance but costs a fraction of the price... ;- )

Maybe for steady shots? Lovely colour rendering...

Looks like they have some filter there to previously control the comments posted once appears on the counter but not published (yet)... Let's wait, see and hope for their wish to make it real :- )

source here (where this thread is also linked there)

Hard to guess what camera model might be interesting to see to pop up from theirs...? ; ) Needless to say anything ; ) But the way they look like attached to GoPro, I wouldn't surprise myself if we would have to wait until September to realize what comes next...