Emanuel

Take again another look in that model up there! LOL Nope, never! LMAO :- )

To me, reports of no overheating no less but price places it at the Z8 range, it's pricey for now IMO. It will come to the territory of $2K-2.5K soon, though... Then it will become harder to not buy it. I've just purchased the BMCC6K-FF new for €1444.54... Pretty neat and impossible to miss it! ;- )

Yes, they have introduced PDAF in their latest models versus contrast-based autofocus for some reason... ; ) For stationary subjects can work out though. I personally like their cameras but don't like their old option. Just expecting to have the chance to test the new adoption anyways. :- )

Imperfections, flaws are not necessarily unaesthetic but the opposite when they can be creatively worked into the aesthetic object and serve the subject included. - EAG

For sure @Andrew Reid, great post and insight with such an example where anti-cinematic as you've called it and it is, becomes the most cinematic answer and as also written, "sometimes"... That's the OP's point, there's taste (where poll fits BTW) and world beyond ;- )

And you are fairly right! : ) No vote still applies ; ) I've just added it, as said in Europa/Zentropa (1991) 'cause the truth resides with those who take sides, so I can't help myself and I am actually sick of some fallacy the geek inside us hints our inner side to believe : D

LOL : ) Thanks! I told you perception is half way... I think it's high time already to add my vote then. Done ;- )

To me, sharp glass looks like all the same :- )

Maybe the most accurate line produced in these boards for ages about anything you can hear directly to both this craft and technology related :- )

Very true : ) However, thers's a solid difference between them, enough to advise me I won't want to replace the MFT lens I already have and no AF will be able to deviate myself from the purchase of a MFT -> E mount adapter instead, go figure why LOL ;- )

Kudos for this, Andrew, that's a hell of an offer! Pity I have nothing similar here among those available at my side or I would be rather glad to make it : ) Can't wait to see what this community can find from there though :- )

LOL Annoying before to getting fine, isn't it? It's living with or leave it! : ) What is unique is this combo to give that characteristic touch/look by its own: There's no simply competitor at this such small camera segment level, useless to look for anything else.

Yes, it's Yale. It's 1/48th or 1/120th shutter speed to match the 180º angle. Osmo Pocket 3 has a gimbal incorporated in its camera system. Here you have a fair comparison although I woudn't use their low light setting but just 8K mode for taking advantage of the resolution increase (seems a paradox but the balance ends differently...):

LOL You already have it, you can add no vote... ; ) My case as matter of fact, so far : ) Even though, on the contrary of our nice fellow @ac6000cw who has been the only one to kindly post his impression and feelings, I'd rather give up to buy the Sony 11mm lens for now to succeed a new camera acquisition I have in hands because I'd much take the Samyang I already have as matter of fact but MFT mount. I don't like clinical glass at all. Wanna listen something I have to say? I was Sony customer for a decade a quarter of century ago when have changed to Canon/Panasonic & RED/Blackmagic. I've changed my mind for the efforts Sony has made on their sensor technology and camera offer. A certain Sony Europe VP told me once (during the 90s) I could never find anything really interesting to me at this price range from their part. I see now he was wrong on his prediction. I want to see now the way they've approached the user interface. I believe not on pair with Blackmagic OS but I will give them a chance coupled to non-proprietary glass, I bet. What really puzzles me is the fact people want cinematic outcome with sharp stuff which doesn't mean to give us the best, more often the opposite. It's like to go after a sexy girl at the convent... : D

And here you have the Osmo Pocket 3 from same camera user @markr041 with that 4K60p look you praise, so @24p you can even have much more room with 1 stop and a half of light extra at same shutter speed equivalent for a 180º angle and subsequently better results indeed, than the ones remarkable per se from these shots and such a tiny sensor size platform: The sensor size format is not actually so crucial as before anymore with the new sensor technology we have today.

OK, we all know there are made thousands of units to couple to camera units people don't even care to use them because they are slow and do not provide that pretty DOF magazine-cover-look... Economies of scale is not a natural law we can refuse, however, think about this, next time you'll check the amount to pay the bill into your upcoming lens purchase... Not the best scientific test nor the world is made of B&W but gives an idea at the same time how we are wrong when we take a lot of assumptions a$ granted ;- )

Fixed lens is a PITA anyways. These people are used to make it interchangeable mount instead: https://www.back-bone.ca/

Maybe not, they have what they want to give us. There's a good thing though. The more FF cameras out there, the more features we have for a more affordable price no matter the sensor format. EAG :- )

Digital world opens a new frontier of ignorance spread as a biblical resonance chamber of nothing. But this doesn't mean the truth is not there, just not the way they see it. Take a look on that video up there. The guy is focused on what he sees as some scientific dogma. We live in times of fake prophets ;- )

I stand what you say. A cinematic property is not a cinematic outcome made of a lot of this ; ) Worse is when what people call cinematic is not even cinematic! LOL :- )

* available light

There are no miracles but 8K resolution balances what you would expect from such a TINY sensor size factor in fact -- from an old user not posting here anymore, this is a sample with available night:

Let's talk about sharpness? A simple example from Sony 11mm f/1.8 against Rokinon 12mm f/2.0: SOC source A sharper angle on reality but how everyone expect it should be? Or a dreamy perspective on the world but how someone can see life is? What take would yours be?

Ace Pro 8K has remarkable low light performance BTW. The bigger is not necessarily all the time the best : ) Since GH6 as for instance, MFT is nowadays the only format of this camera industry segment I am aware to let it go with PRORES RAW 4K 120fps external recording under HDMI 2.1 when others don't even allow raw @ such high frame rate internally... ; )

I was Yesterday night and I will be tonight again, shooting with a GX85 coupled to a 35-100mm f/2.8 (what lens and what a combo BTW) 'cause I am done with old school full frame but could be aka cine-style in this particular case... for handy acquisition in the middle of the crowd, your results decrease for less than a half. Don't be worried. As events shooter, you already know that's a very high rate to keep you safe ; ) That's the border between someone who does this for living and who doesn't give a damn, the financial part is always the best part of your investment, no matter what : ) I took an eye on the new BMCC6K-FF because of their irresistible offer last month and other camera is coming very soon from another ecosystem, go figure : D Exactly the same principle stands, even for compatibility between lenses crossing mounts and so on... ;- )