Emanuel

The Sigma has no 4K/50p or 60p, last time I checked, isn't it? ; -)

Neither me, nice find : ) Mixed with the 4K version for the first clip. I guess the message is clear, they see it as two versions from same model. Wonder if the results will just match such parh, probably they will and hence the reason why don't much care to put the footage fanfare to highlight this surprising launch anyway : ) The challenge is to keep it at the light side... ; ) Or there will be two more distinct models other than the 176 grams to separate them ; -)

Right. So, pre-order placed. But... ...doesn't it seem to you they can't deliver in August yet? Why that then? No idea what's going on there, honesty is always welcome anywhere in every circumstances, no matter what. Marketing can't justify everything : -)

Maybe because of sensor side supply they are unable to show any footage so far? If so, how can they announce stock for now? All this is rather confusing to me... : -) PS: Jonesy, I understand your observation but I didn't write Trump is the orange man, I didn't even refer his name in any word of that post; you just inferred that because of the wall the man wants to build. In any case, where I am he is commonly referred like that for this nick so perhaps can I be redeemed for somewhat cultural exemption? ; ) On the other hand, once said to a man used to physical abuse on the mother of his son (just as mere analogy, not related to such character now, OK?) that he had zero from my respect. Sorry me but that's also some point, fairly valid to my view : -)

US was not on topic. Only entered because of EU changes we face today and affects camera supply too, hence the topic. No one here was trying to contradict Donald aka webrunner5 in his personal ramblings. I don't even discuss his thoughts, private experience and the whole of his posting content. When we comment this or that aspect, it doesn't mean we refuse everything the poster is saying. We can agree or disagree with a fewer part or not in a greater or less extent. No problem on that. The beef rises up at times when we intend to believe we know what the other side is or knows about something. Better to not presume anything. Some people can even live in more than a country or continent or reaching contact with a diverse range of distinct realities more or less closer to us. Why to think we know more than the other? Why to believe we are the expert on some topic or context? Or the alien must have fewer information, otherwise why he or she is called alien?? : D What do we know about whom we're talking to? Hard to know or guess who the other side is ; ) We're just guessing too often : ) Without mention, personal attacks based on presumptions as those already read here are even more ridiculous to say the least. As a few have hinted and we two concur as part of the same angle there I'm sure, let's focus on P6K topic please. For now, I wonder how this camera can be ready to ship for soon and there's no footage from the manufacturer part yet.

No need, I already paid for my pre-order from UK anyway ; ) Indeed. I don't realize how those manufacturers don't figure out they're not adding anything of worthy rather than focus on what a camera really must be.

Have anyone noticed the video in the middle of that page? Shot on P4K, I wonder how this camera can be available right now if seems they don't have any footage to show up yet...

This is actually a premium version of the 4K model they've decided to call Pocket. I guess the OG spirit is lost. This is more their production model but much improved. I think their best bonus is the interface and I mention it as actual user indeed. In any case, their webpage shows a mature and coherent product design, they know their job. Where else you find such offer? https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/au/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera

This is not a competition of egos for your information. But ideas. What's the beef against it? ; ) Shame on you, you love to shoot but hate to be shot ; -) On your rant edited now because you are not the one who takes away a negative back to your private display and almost invariably have anything to add when the other side is supposed to not be here reading anymore (within the hour available from the forum software before anyone had read and properly exercised the right of reply) what about to have a better shot on what ad hominem attacks mean far away at the distance of a hidden mouse with a whole Ocean in-between, as well, ego show-off? We can also try to exchange some common field where we can communicate then? Or once my English language skills are not enough for you (I can't obviously speak on behalf of the 5th graders to impress here : D but that one coming from you is funny), what about to have some effort to learn my mother idiom, humm? LOL Let's focus on what matters now?

Let's back to topic? What do you know about what I know? Where's the scope given by the media plays on it? I was referring the period between 1861-65 FYI and yes, to put in perspective your electoral college to match such Union and not a division of states from some other discussion about EU living hard days now to affect the lives of everyone having life here and buying from suppliers based in UK as for instance. What's this episode got to do with it? See how you end out of context? But once you mention, do you have any clue on my experience with? You pop up from nowhere as self-entitled to comment anything only because you feel you know better than anyone you targeted so? C'mon... Let's give a break now? @Skip77 Thanks for your edit to put an end on more disband : -)

Let's try to put this on track or this ends as an absolute disrespect to Andrew as our host, I'd say, the man is probably sleeping and will wake up in the morning to see our mess?! LOL : -) I just put a pre-order in a British supplier, hope to still be able to receive it in time before the world may change to worse case scenario to all of us, European users... I wonder when. If they rush, who knows if this month yet?

Nothing against diversity. On the contrary. Let's not even mention when people accept to live with that : ) The only beef can just end about uniformity, no more no less. Go and bet ; ) Union is not for sissies! : -)

Why? Serves US economy...? ; -) Hard to say anything from outside or as tourist without mention when you're based on some other block. Let alone to rise the conflict of interests that approach contains on itself. BTW speaking of devil, why not starting by you? You even have a President who was not elected by the majority of your citizens... Last time I heard, half part of your country tried to kill the other half... On the leftover towards the topic, it's economy : ) Even though, there's an interesting thread open to mitigate the doubts:

Nothing to argue on that one. First part of your post. Now you've edited so I can't really say the same... : D Nationalism is absolutely against any progress. EU should never be seen as a new form of one but its opposite new way of living them. As much as US succeed to be. Or UK.

I see P6K as a premium Pocket offer. Plenty of choices never hurt unless your pocket. You also have the choice to not buy it or pick some other option. People call it freedom : ) It is beyond that. If your rights will help you widen up their strength, you have no reason to complain.

No, I have dual solid academic and professional backgrounds in film and law. For two and three decades now. I just don't buy your argument on distinct nationalities. Mere BS, call it poor narrative but never non-fiction as you wish. Borders don't break my heart at all. That wall the orange man wants to build is a shame and a civilization setback. Ends in those sad killings who make the news of "your country" nowadays...

What country identity...?! I have more from your TV series produced in US than of my native own. I had idea who Bonanza was much before than knowing how to pronounce the name of my country. Only to give you a fine example. Or the English juvenile literature by Enid Blyton or Agatha Christie without mention The Beatles in my childhood from British culture as next example. Take a look on the idiom you use. Where's the country identity? BTW what distinguishes you from some other fellow from another US state? This is pure BS sold by morons to put their paw on your neck : ) I've decided to sue my country FYI -- the state, today. And spread the news to use the tools my condition as European citizen grants to me. Seriously. The lawyer inside me has decided this today (and a doc to be produced by the filmmaker), precisely because, as matter of fact, your country is your family. The rest is a bunch of parasites trying to rule you as their slave. Your rights are the only identity you have.

What's your fav take?

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Now there's a new kid on the block:

They will be rare one of these days. I follow you... you sell one or a couple of them, not the triple sale though LOL ; -)

I had a teacher in film school who was used to say exactly the same as Mattias ; -)

I somehow miss the truth coming from your posting when you're not around, buddy : ) but don't put your high expectations so high on the other contenders especially those already established even before World War II ; -) I wouldn't buy the P4K with this one today, but once bought and a very capable CinemaDNG camera, who has balls to be able to stand happy to sell it?

Greece is the birth of civilization. I guess we all agree, our good Odin included ; ) it is as truly part of our daily life as sliced bread.

Yes, I obviously understand your disclaimer. This doesn't apply to everyone in any single circumstances : ) I've just placed a pre-order with them. It will end less than EUR 2,200 without VAT. Unfortunately, EU bureaucrats are prepping to put us buying from US and send bucks to the other side of Atlantic. One of the reasons BREXIT popped up. I still hope we'll prevail : ) Europe is a concept, not a farm of a few parasites living from people. We are all the people, long life to EU : -)