Andrew Reid

I'm happy the DSLR community has had this [i]opportunity[/i] to wake up from compressed footage, you forget we had no choice for under what it cost for a Red!

I agree the 5D3 (and 1D X for that matter) are nowhere near AND they cost more. It has been such a relief to be liberated from Canon's let downs by other companies which have chosen to keep a good thing going, unlike the ones who started it all with the 5D Mark II under $3000. - 5D3 is 720p at best. It is nowhere near a 1080p camera let alone 2.5k - The codec has tons of mosquito noise in the lows and mids - The 8 bit codec has banding and stepped gradation - The fall off from highlights is sudden and not smooth - In the shadows, when you boost the black levels they fall apart - The image is noisy even at base ISO because of the poor compression engine - The sensor still skips too much data - Colour sampling is only 4-2-0 - The mirror gets in the way of my lenses - can't use anamorphic OCT 19 on it - If you get your exposure or picture profile wrong at time of shooting you can't fix it later - The noise grain is blotchy - At high ISOs there's even less detail even with high ISO noise reduction on minimal Great stills camera though. I honestly feel the Canon DSLR era is now official at an end. Unless they can find a way to jump start it quick.

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With grain this fine at 2.5k raw, running Neat Video if you want a smoother look is no problem. Detail will be intact unlike at high ISOs on a DSLR. The C300 also has nice fine grain but 50Mbit 8bit has its limits versus mighty 12bit raw with 13 stops of DR. C300 has archival advantages and is good for people doing commercial jobs in a tight time frame though, with a lot of Canon glass. Archiving 5 years worth of raw footage if you shoot a job a week is going to be costly in storage and physical space to store the drives on shelves. HurtinMinorKey did you watch the footage on a 2.5K display? Makes a huge difference over 1080p.

I'm early in my Resolve adventure but it was impressive at first glances. However I don't get smooth playback of CinemaDNG in it.

I've seen the original files straight off the camera many times. The BMD looks better in my opinion. More film like and 12bit.

The C300 is good. But it just doesn't excite me. We're looking beyond an industry tool with the Blackmagic and DSLRs. It is changing filmmakers, especially aspiring ones and newcomers. The C300 is just a good 1080p cam. Anyway, why pay $15,000 for an 8bit MPEG camera when you can now get this kind of 12bit raw for $3000? If image quality is a priority (under ISO 1600) I'd go for the Blackmagic based on the footage I have witnesses from both that and the C300. The BMD is more filmic. It's raw. End of story.

When you consider how films are actually shot, extreme shallow depth of field and fast wide angle are gimmicks. I actually am starting to find too much bokeh distracting. It was nice to have when the 5D Mark II came out 3 years ago. We've moved on. Besides the sensor in the Blackmagic is hardly what you'd call small chip.

http://vimeo.com/48085024 IMPORTANT: On the Vimeo page for this clip, click download to get the 2.5K 80Mbit clip. Don't bother watching it full screen from the stream, it is a pale imitation of the full 2.5k file. I've been experimenting today with Blackmagic Cinema Camera workflows. I use Adobe Premiere as my main NLE. I am not an FX guy so rarely use After Effects. But it comes in very handy here. Premiere cannot yet edit the CinemaDNG files natively, performance is very limited, it interprets the footage at 1fps, requiring you to fix this for every clip and image quality suffers greatly, possibly because it doesn't allow you to edit in glorious 12bit. Here's the solution that's working best for me...

[quote name='jcs' timestamp='1345654901' post='16225'] Yes- how about a resolution chart shot? Then we can compare apples to apples. [/quote] A chart will not allow you to compare apples to apples, the 5D Mark III does not have 12bit raw. It isn't 4-4-4 1080p. It is downsampling from a 22MP sensor and skipping so much info. If you want to compare apples to apples, wait for my Blackmagic vs Alexa test in a few weeks.

Also comparing this to the C300 is not apples to apples. $3000 vs $15,000.

[quote name='nigelbb' timestamp='1345715976' post='16276'] In the blog entry Andrew in fact wrote "Resolution is superb. Best I have ever seen for the price. Better than the C300 and better than the GH2." I seriously doubt that BMCC has better resolution than the C300. [/quote] [img]http://www.eoshd.com/comments/uploads/inline/1/50362bc9bef44_bmd11cropres.jpg[/img] This is a 1:1 pixel peeping crop of 2.5k raw with no sharpening applied. 2400x1350. The C300 has a similar level of resolution to the GH2, around 900 lines. This looks more like 1100 lines. What gives you the idea that any 1080p camera exceeds that?

I don't understand this request for charts and facts when the evidence is staring one in the face. The colour red is red, does JCS also need a chart to prove that too?

Are you serious!?

Nice grades by Sam Morgan Moore here 'The file that can go a mile' http://www.sammorganmoore.com/backlot/the-file-that-can-go-a-mile

I've taken some time to grade John's raw files here http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/1168-eoshd-grades-the-blackmagic-camera-raw-cinemadng-files/

http://vimeo.com/47933090 Don't forget to head over to John's site and have a go at grading the raw CinemaDNG frames as well. [url="http://johnbrawley.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/afterglow-dngs-are-out-in-the-wild/"]Download the DNG file clips from John Brawley[/url]

[img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bmd-one-660px.jpg[/img] Above: my first go at grading the Blackmagic Cinema Camera raw output The above frame is scaled to 660 pixels wide for the blog. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/uploads/bmd-one.jpg"]Click here[/url] to view the full 2400 x 1350 frame in your browser and another full frame [url="http://www.eoshd.com/uploads/bmd-pale-skin.jpg"]here[/url] John Brawley and Blackmagic Design today released the first raw DNG files from the camera. Here's my take on how the raw camera stands up.

[quote name='rungvang' timestamp='1345646247' post='16210'] Well, it doesn't suprise me since China can copy or fake pretty much everything with a cheap price and decent quality [/quote] This doesn't give them enough credit I'm afraid. The technical expertise and talent you need to build a cinema camera like this is extraordinarily high. They didn't just order everything from Germany, or copy some white paper by Arri.

Nice grade sir. What are you using to grade and edit CinemaDNG?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU71wZBoA1E[/youtube] This from Michael Hession at Gizmodo. It really is a great idea - he has used the stills burst mode (the fastest ever on a DSLR) of the Canon 1D X to piece together a short video at 14 fps. The video has the dynamic range, resolution and overall quality of photographs. It is a massive step up from the video mode but of course 14 fps is shall we say - a retro frame rate. However I actually think it is a valid style. It has a certain appeal, a certain old Super 8 magic to the motion - but from a far larger sensor.

[quote name='nickname' timestamp='1345596690' post='16173']it´s really funny that you are surprised that there´s so many sony news on a blog you write yourself.[/quote] I don't set the news agenda, I just report what is hot. Sony is hot at the moment. I'm surprised, since their past history consisted of a lot of overpriced stuff and no 24p on their DSLRs. A fantastic turn around in just 1 year. We've had the FS100, NEX 5N, NEX 7, Alpha A77, now we shall look forward to genuinely ground breaking stuff like the full frame video camera and hybrid stills / video A99 return to full frame DSLRs. They also have 4K TVs in the pipeline, are ruling the CMOS sensor supply chain, have provided Nikon and Olympus with some of the best photographic sensors on the market and have some genuinely exciting technology coming out, so yes I am surprised. By comparison, Canon have... Rehashed an APS-C sensor in 5 cameras, split all the interesting stuff off into $15,000+ Cinema EOS cameras completely out of reach for most people, and not innovated enough with their mirrorless offering.

Where did you find the rumour? I appreciate your news posts but the hostile attitude, we can all do without. Peace from now on?

[img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/kineraw-s35-shoot-1.jpg[/img] This much anticipated 'Chinese Alexa' basic kit has been officially priced for pre-orders at a shocking $6300.

I still don't think the difference between the 1D X and 5D 3, after post work applied to both, is large enough to warrant spending £5200. For a start the D800 is £2400, the 1D X is £5200, over double the price. That is a pricey moire fix. Aliasing still there. As for C300, I definitely prefer the fine noise, codec and resolution on that over the 1D X but I'd buy the 1D X instead because the C300's price is just bonkers. Watched Philip's video and it is a lovely piece of work. The close up shots look great, plenty of detail. But the true test was some of the forest and field wide angle shots, and there it is not that much different to the 5D 3 sharpened in post. Dynamic range did seem better, but again not massively so. One thing I did notice that even from the compressed Vimeo download .vid file there was less of that horrible mosquito noise when you bring up the lows in post, so I think the 1D X grades better than the 5D 3. To sell my FS100 and 5D 3 for 1x 1D X? Hmm. No peaking, no articulated monitor, no XLR, but great stills. I wouldn't do it but I can see some who would be happy doing so.