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Absolutely! : ) When not dizzying... I appreciate Andrew is opening this thread for this topic anyway. They can be different things... It's the shooter, folks! ;- )

Yes, same question!

It really is an excellent lens. I have one for every camera in my kit after initially thinking I'd never use it. It's by far the best kit lens I've ever used.

Why this €25k fine doesn't work in mainland China? 99% of all the leaks are from China, and mostly by distributors, not by an independent journalist or a reviewer who wants to find the bugs and send feedback to the engineering team before the release. Can't they distinguish between friend and foe?

Panasonic Lumix S1ii Conclave edition

That’ll be a €25K fine for L-Mount Rumours for leaking it to the Vatican the other day then.

So I went on L Mount Rumours for a sneak peek. Boring, both cameras and lens. The comments section is hilarious: ”Why did they not make it a 24-60 f1.4 and sell it for $450?” Keep smoking that whatever you are smoking bro 😎

> Let alone replaced the S1H II I had on loan, which promptly bricked itself. @Andrew Reid This a typo or a hint of something to come?

Who needs an S1H II when you have an S1 Mark ?E?E?E?E?E E for electronic shutter, to save costs. E for Exactly the same body as the cheapo camera from 2022 to save costs. E for enamoured with accountancy. E for enormous lack of creativity. E for eeee dear. E for End, as in the brand, and soon the entire system as well. E for E-mount which has a 3 year old model that's twice as good. E for erm, do I want to sign an NDA and go to some fancy Knightsbridge business lunch to see it. N for no fucking thanks!

Let's continue to talk about millimetres, it's fascinating stuff.

Totally agree, somehow the jump from 24-28 feels way more than just 4mm for me. 20-60 / 2.8 or 4.0 would have been very welcomed. I only got the 20-60 as a kit at the time of purchase, the body only was not available. I Figured it would just sit in the box until I sold the body, but surprisingly I have used it way more than I ever anticipated using a slow split aperture lens!

The best practice for trying to hone a craft is to find something youre impressed with, deconstruct it, and then rebuild it yourself. Learn to walk before you fly. Editing is relatively easy but it's tedium too. Discover if it's what you want to do by doing it. If you make something decent and compelling you'll know by the end of the process if it's something you want to go through again.

I too miss the ergonomics of the camcorder, though I've never found myself needing more buttons on my Lumix mirrorless cameras. I just miss them because I feel like they are easier and more practical the hold and use for video. I'd steer clear of any camera that has smaller than a 1" sensor, less because of depth of field and more because of low light. Those smaller sensors, even in newer cameras, just completely fall apart. They don't really even look that great in well lit situations. If you don't mind used, the Panasonic DVX200 is a great option. It's basically a GH5, complete with M43 sensor, in a camcorder body. When my friend used my GH5 as a b-cam to it, the footage was nearly identical. It looks like it goes for about $1600 used. Sony PXW-Z90 is a very nice camcorder with a 1" sensor. I built an entire streaming business off these kind of Sony camcorders. Goes for under $2100 used on MPB. For more advanced cameras: The Panasonic EVA1 also might be an option. Used options in Excellent condition on MPB go for about $2300. That has a Super 35 sensor and allows you to use EF and cine lenses. On the Sony side, the Sony PXW-FS5 II is under $1500 in like new condition on MPB. The Canon Cinema EOS C300 II is under $2200 in Excellent condition on MPB.

For me personally, after getting so much use out of the 20-60 kit lens, I'd have preferred something on the wider end like that with a constant aperture. Maybe a f4?

Does it have to be a camcorder with integrated lens? If not, you might consider a Sony FS5 II, Sony FS7 II, or Canon C300 II. With a little more budget, it might look like a C70. I'm not sure of the price of entry-level power zooms for any of them, though. I'm also not sure if the Canons support LANC, but I think it's really likely that the Sonys do.

I'd prefer a compact 24-60 over the 28-70 I have. I find those first 4mm much more useful than the last 10mm

It looks pretty compact, which is nice, but yeah. Lumix did talk about making smaller lenses for the S9, perhaps this is one of them?

I mean if they use some sort of z6iii sensor with the same sort of read out speed but put a great OLPF in front of it plus Arri logC I’m kind of interested.

Hello again everyone, I've been a DSLR/MILC user for 20 years. I've worked in media/documentary jobs using these cameras with 1080p and 4K for video and of course taking photos. In general, I'm very satisfied with the image quality of the 4K video files I'm getting with my current Nikon and Canon gear (R8 and Z50). However, I'm hating more and more the ergonomics of these cameras for video. I simply cannot get accustomed to them. Newer MILCs have fewer buttons than older DLSRs and this has really started to aggravate me. Before going the DSLR/MILC route I shot with prosumer Mini DV videocameras 😨 The jump in quality to DSLR/MILCs was undeniable, but I really miss the ergos of tho se ancient machines. So, if I were to go back to a proper consumer/prosumer videocamera what would you recommend? I'd much prefer you guys give me some options instead of asking the gents over at DV Info and such fora. My requirements are quite basic: - Price between US$1500 and US$2500 new or used - Good to very good haptics and ergonomics for long form interviews that can last up to 2 hours - Decent AF - 4K resolution since I will be exporting to 1080p (I really enjoy the cropping and color correction possibilities of the larger files for lower resolution exports) - Two XLR inputs and two card slots - Integrated Power Zoom since I will using LANC device in my tripod - Unexotic files for easy NLE digestion in Final Cut X That's it. Other than the obvious Canon XA40, XA50/XA70 and XF400 I'm absolutely swamped by options offered by JVC, Panasonic and Sony, but I'm assuming they have some good stuff. Any recommendation would be much appreciated 😎

But why 24-60mm? Of all the lenses they could have developed for this launch..

A lot of leaked photos on l-rumors

I produce documentary and audiovisual work in the university setting. Until now, I have always used action cameras such as GoPros; I recently added the DJI Pocket 3 to film behind-the-scenes material. On more than one occasion, these cameras have saved me from a mishap. Not long ago, while recording testimonies from a prominent researcher in a humid environment, the main camera’s lens fogged up and the subject’s time was very limited. So I pulled out the DJI Pocket 3, placed it next to the main camera, and shot in 10-bit D-Log. They really liked the result. I also use it for B-roll, since I can quickly position it in hard-to-reach places, taking advantage of its gimbal stabilization and autofocus to achieve excellent results and save time.

Anyway, I'm interested in this. I think I'm ready for an S line with a dedicated video/photo button, top LCD and EVF and no crop.

Yes, sorry, I read and was thinking S1H!