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Just curious what advantage the cine versions would bring in your application over the stills versions, particularly for the price bump ? Are they parfocal or have significant reduction in focus breathing ? Or are you looking at having wireless motor FIZ control with a Nucleus etc?

For anyone that is interested anyway… The new Sigma AF cine lens pairing of 18-45mm T2 and the longer 28-105mm T3. These could be and are indeed of great interest to a run & gun hybrid shooter like me. The wider lens is internal zoom but the longer lens is not but having said that, it doesn’t extend much at all. Moderately chonky but nothing too outrageous. Probably going to replace 4 primes with this duo in 2027 for my pair of S1RII’s. Too much expense for me this year as I’m running a much tighter ship in ‘26 with my only purchases being a new drone (the old one flies too wonky after various err, ‘incidents’) and new wireless audio gear after a few issues with RODE WG2. But anyway, these new Sigmas look the business and I’d like to see some real world AF as the principal example they gave in their promo video is of a woman slowly wobbling towards the camera on a tripod in a studio…and that is not ‘real world’! Anyone else interested?

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I'm trying to figure out whether a shorter focal length C mount lens is safe in both an OM1 MKII and an E-P5 using a Fotodiox MFT-C adapter, mainly being concerned about sensor contact with IBIS movement and shutter hits.

Remember what kye wrote about ;- )

I mean, the lens mount makes it very adaptable, but not having auto focus seems like a big deal breaker.

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All hail Chinese camera menus! : ) A bit hard to beat Blackmagic anyway...

On the other hand, looks like Insta360 are leaking images of their own MFT camera... all speculation at this point, but it could also be a viable entry in the "small modern MFT camera" category. https://www.43rumors.com/the-mft-revolution-is-here-first-leaked-images-of-the-insta360-mft-camera/

I needed a colour sensor for a specific project (my primary camera being a M11M) and just picked up a G9ii - it’s a fun little thing. Seems well built and easily customised to play nicely with individual requirements. Even with a (Smallrig) cage it’s a convenient size (identical to LUMIX S range I think - although lenses are presumably smaller). Currently just the Lumix 14-42mm but plenty of exciting options. Until I read this thread it wasn’t really an option I’d have considered. Glad I can read!

Z6 III vs ZR, you said? Both are full frame, both use the Z mount, both have subject detection AF for 9 subject types, and both offer internal RAW up to 6K/60p. The Z6 III has a 24.5MP full-frame sensor, and the ZR also uses a 24.5MP full-frame partially stacked sensor with EXPEED 7. From there, though, the split becomes pretty obvious. The ZR is the one Nikon has shaped as a compact cinema camera. It gives you internal R3D NE, RED colour science, Log3G10 / REDWideGamutRGB, 32-bit float audio through the internal mic and 3.5mm jack, plus a 4.0-inch screen designed more for actual filming without leaning as heavily on external accessories. Nikon is very clearly positioning it as a compact cinema body. The Z6 III, on the other hand, is much more complete as a stills camera. It has a 5.76M-dot EVF, burst shooting up to 120fps, Pre-Release Capture, mechanical and electronic shutter options, and up to 8 stops of stabilisation with Focus Point VR. It is simply the more all-round camera of the two. Physically, the ZR is noticeably smaller and lighter at around 134 x 80.5 x 49mm and 540g body only, or 630g with battery and card, whereas the Z6 III is larger and heavier at roughly 138.5 x 101.5 x 74mm and 670g body only, or 760g with battery and card. The viewing setup also says a lot about the intent behind each one. The Z6 III has an electronic viewfinder and a 3.2-inch vari-angle screen. The ZR goes the other way with a 4.0-inch rear monitor and is not really being sold as an EVF-centered body at all, but as a video monitoring-first tool. Audio is another area where the ZR is in a different class, because the 32-bit float recording is a major selling point and still quite unusual in this form factor. The Z6 III has serious enough audio for video work, but that is not one of its defining features. Even the card slots tell the story. The Z6 III uses CFexpress/XQD plus SD UHS-II, while the ZR uses CFexpress/XQD plus microSD. That alone already says a lot about the difference in philosophy between a photographic hybrid and a compact cinema camera. The Z6 III is still the more rounded hybrid camera, while the ZR looks much more like a compact cinema body built primarily around video use. On paper they overlap in some important ways, because both sit in the same broad full-frame Z-mount ecosystem and both are clearly meant to appeal to shooters who care about strong video features, but the intent feels different. The Z6 III is the camera I’d look at first if the job includes serious stills as well as video, because it gives you the EVF, the more conventional hybrid ergonomics, the stronger photographic identity and a much more all-purpose way of working. The ZR, by contrast, seems aimed at the person who is leaning far more into filmmaking and wants a smaller cinema-oriented body, RED-style workflow influence, more specialised video tools and a more stripped-back approach that is less about being a do-everything camera and more about being a focused moving-image tool. That is really the core of it. The Z6 III is the safer all-rounder. The ZR is the more interesting specialist. So if somebody mainly shoots photo and video in equal measure, I’d say Z6 III. If they are really after a compact cinema camera in Nikon form, then the ZR is the one that makes more sense.

Some nice updates, but even if they were available in my country, I'm not sure there's anything in there that would make me upgrade from the Pocket 3 that I already have. I took the train to Chicago last weekend and made a short film with some friends and I brought the Pocket 3 and the Ursa Cine 12K LF. It turned out to be less of a crazy combo than one might think. HIgher maximum frame rate? 🤷‍♂️ Higher bitrate for video? Nice, but not a "buy now" 10-bit D-Log vs 10-bit D-Log M? Also nice, but not a "buy now" Higher resolution for photos? 🤷‍♂️

I think you're right. The 5D II has some sort of full frame 4K raw if I remember right, but that's well out of the price range. I think you mentioned the C70 in another comment - used prices on them are just about in your price range. If you don't anticipate shooting in >4K for any reason, the C70 is really a hell of a camera. The DGO sensor + somewhat soft OLPF really makes some of the loveliest images that I've ever seen. Canon's focal reducer can also be locked onto the front with screws so anything that can adapt to EF will look full frame-ish. Built-in ND's are fantastic. Though it lacks IBIS. I really don't think it's the camera for you, but the DGO sensor is a really big deal. You understood right and I was just flat-out wrong. My mistake, sorry about that! A Z6 III that costs less than a ZR? As dreamy as the small size of the ZR is, for me, that'd be an easy choice. Sheesh!

Very small mice are operating pulleys to physically move the lenses in and out of focus. Hang on, it’s not mice it’s small motors. Nikon’s FTZ adapter takes care of the AF Nikkors and for manual focus ones you just use the M mount one with additional M to F adapter stacked. And indeed the same for any other type such as C/Y and M42 etc that have M adapters. The other Z mount adapter that you may or not be interested in is the MegaDap E mount adapter which opens up the world of small and affordable primes. There is even a Fuji X to Z adapter which is obviously only for APS-C lenses but would come in handy if your additional down the line Z camera was the not at all shit Z50ii. It would be a tacit admission that the end is nigh 😂

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It seems to be the case. Pretty amazing what Nikon has accomplished in the past few years. That is a pretty cool feature, even though my mind cannot grasp how the Techart is accomplishing it. I had a quick look on BH and they only seem to have an EF to Z and a Leica M to Z... do they make an F to Z? The M mount one is kinda interesting because the more I get into shooting film, the more I have become interested in an M6 or earlier model... again completely perverse for my needs considering I usually shoot with an FE or the random Pentax/Canon/Minolta camera, but there's just something unique with a rangefinder. Speaking of the FE... the FE/FM variants are damn near perfect cameras for stills for the type of stuff I shoot so as I started researching Z mount cameras, I almost forgot about the ZF and I instantly got a little excited about it... even though it lacks a lot of the video requirements I want for a hybrid... but so does the ZR... anyway after a quick search I found this... Then I searched for a size comparison of the ZF vs. the DF and other than the grip, they were basically the same size... I thought mirrorless was supposed to give us smaller, lighter bodies. I mean my GH6 is only a little smaller than my 5D3... What a joke in some ways... Rant over. The Z8 would be amazing, but I don't know if I could do it. I think I'd rather have a ZR/ZF combo or just a Z6iii. Maybe if I could figure out a way to make some money from this stuff, a Z8 could be in my future... but then that would open a whole new set of possibilities... an R6iii/C50 or C70 combo... And this is the problem I have been dealing with since I started this hobby. No camera meets all my needs (wants) but it's obscene for me to really have more than one camera. Another off topic rant... I've been seeing social media posts from the filmmaker Pete Ohs... I posted about him a long time ago because he made a film a year with a 5D Mark iii with ML Raw and his films were screened at SXSW and Sundance and they all got some type of distribution deal... well he's still making at least a film a year... his films are still being screened at SXSW and Sundance and he still gets distribution deals and he still makes his films using his 5D Mark iii with ML Raw and when asked, his reason is... "that's the camera I own." I immediately feel like an a complete asshole for chasing these other cameras. Of course, he's a tripod guy with very static shots that he shoots in basically one location (or very few) whereas I am trying to shoot more run and gun and stealing locations whenever possible., so I've realized how important IBIS is to my style of shooting and AF on some level... but not as important... END RANT. Anyway, I'm still in my early phase of thinking this through. I guess if I was smart, I'd dust off my tripod and shoot with my 5D or FP... or learn how to grade Log footage and use the GH6... but I really want 32 bit float audio and R3D/ProRes files... or nRaw/ProRes files... and IBIS in FF with some halfway decent AF... is that too much to ask? first world problems... Do it!!! You're a Nikon guy at heart it seems and you've been taking about it for a while... how nice would it be to have your "forever camera?"

Good to know, thanks. All of my Nikon lenses are non-ai/ai/ai-s but I did see that the special edition of the 50mm 1.8G is available refurbished from Nikon for $199... so that's kind of interesting. Of course the 40mm f/2 Z is only a little more, so it'd be a little redundant. Either way, it's good to know that option is available. Do you know if the EF adapters for Canon R cameras have the same level of consistency as the Nikon adapter does? Also are there good portrait, AF-S G lenses that are relatively inexpensive but still good lenses... say 85-105mm?

Thanks for the reply. It looks like I'll probably go Nikon or Canon, but if I was thinking about this at this point last year, the FX30 and possibly an a7c2 would definitely be in the running. I love the output from the FX30 but the media and the price isn't worth it to me. If the FX30 was $1200 or less, it would be a contender. As far as the BM 6K FF... just not a fan of BM cameras for what I do.

Being a Canon fan over the years, obviously I drooled over the R5 since it was released, especially after the overheating got sorted out (thanks to the fine folks on eosHD) but it was waaaay over the reality of my life. Since my interest was once removed, I'm a little unsure of the specs but believe that the 4K raw is cropped, not downsampled, right? 8K is complete overkill for what I do... in some ways as I started thinking about this, I've gone back and forth that the 1080p raw on my 5D3 is probably plenty good enough for the short films I don't finish (HA) so 8K is just perverse for me. Unless I misunderstood your first sentence here... I believe the Nikon ZR does have IBIS? My real concern with the ZR is the 4K R3D crop in 4K. I'm sure I can live with S35 crop for video or maybe the 6K is soooo good that I will get over my analogesque snobbery. But the Komodo suggestion is tempting... another camera I have drooled over. Z8 is also a dream camera... basically any camera with internal raw and IBIS is a dream camera for me, so the Z6iii fits into that equation as well. Shit... just checked BH... the Z6iii is on sale brand new for $1999... Hmm... that complicates things a little. Not interested in BM products. Thanks for all of the suggestions, a lot to think about.

Getting good affordable 960p would be cool for lots of people. I see the science explainer channels showing bad quality 960p and the richer channels with Chronos setups. Don't get me wrong about them not being cameras that appeal to a large number of people. They're very good for getting the new "EVERYTHING IS AWESOME AND WIDE AND SMOOTH AND DEFINITELY SHARP SHARP SHARP!!!!" style of video that looks more like video than anything ever made before, but as soon as they say it's a cinema camera, there are 27 things they have to change from every other model ever made, and to bet they'll get every single one of them right is a very long shot indeed.

I would say that Z mount would be the way to go. It can adapt everything you’ve got in your lens collection to be near native. Not just your AF EF and F mount but with the TechArt you can have AF of all your manual lenses as well. If you can stretch to a used Z8 then that would close the argument on every aspect and would be a - if not THE -forever camera. I say this as someone who has still failed to buy one for the past three years despite it being THAT camera to me. But I’m going to London this weekend and you know what, I might well end up feeling saucy and doing a Wayne Campbell…

If you do decide to go with Nikon the FTZII adaptor works very well with F mount AF-S lenses and the resulting auto focus speed is very close to z mount.AF-S lenses are easy to get second hand and far cheaper than the new lenses in Z mount .My AF-S 35mm f1.8 was only Aus $200 second hand and to purchase new in Z mount is around Aus $1000.

This guy in France Shikijo Petroski claims to have modified the Viltrox adaptor to work on a Nikon ZR.He has a lot of videos on Vimeo.

In a word, something I'd find useful to see (now with AF, BTW ; ) from their hands: IBIS.