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You seem to post nothing but angry negative stuff. Why waste your time with all of us talentless hacks?

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Another frame grab showing a bit more DR. Same Resolve + FLC workflow, but no grain added, so what you see below is the noise and compression artefacts from the Prores. Default exposure: -2 stops to see where the clipping point is: +2 stops to look at the shadow detail: Very serviceable, especially considering this was shot from the window of a moving train (the OTHER reason why rolling shutter matters).

Dunno if anyone’s posted this on here, but i saw this on my instagram because i followed the DP a while ago, looked pretty good, with some unfortunate highlight clipping here and there. wont help you guys because you cant really shoot.

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Here's some more grabs.

I started this thread by talking about the GH7, but I think the iPhone 17 Pro has also come of age (for me at least). My goals for using this is to keep it in my pocket, be able to shoot super quickly using the default camera app, and focus on the compositions and capturing the events in front of the camera while it does all the auto-everything required for a good quality capture. First impressions and thoughts from a few weeks of using it. 4K Prores HQ files in Apple Log 2 look great and are a joy to work with in Resolve (see examples below) All the lenses seem to work well and even up to the 8x 200mm are completely usable hand-held, and if leaning your hand against something the 8x is almost locked-off It records 6 channels of audio, and they appear to all be independent and available in the NLE (see image below) which might(?) be useful in difficult situations where there's wind noise in one or one channel clips etc? While recording Prores Log the default camera app shows you the log image and doesn't have an option to apply a LUT, so although it's a great way to be sure you're recording LOG, it's hardly ideal. Hopefully they fix this in an update. Audio channels in Resolve: Some frame grabs from out the hotel window in HK. Bear in mind these were shot with the default camera app, through multiple layers of tinted glass, and have had a film emulation grade put on top of them. 1x 24mm camera: 8x 200mm camera: with a bit of sharpening: with too much sharpening (unless you're a "cinematic Youtuber"): 1x 24mm camera (ignore the reflections in the window): 8x camera: 8x camera with sharpening: and in terms of DR / latitude, here's the 1x image brought up ~2.5 stops: I haven't tested it in low-light yet, but to me, all this essentially means that the camera is sufficiently technically capable that I can shoot with it without feeling like the technical factors are overly restrictive. This is incredibly impressive, given that even cameras like the GH5 needed you to pay attention to their limits in some situations. For the first time I feel like if something happened to my 'real' camera and all I had to capture a trip is my phone I wouldn't feel like I'd stuffed up. This is the first trip I haven't packed a backup camera body, which has given me the ability to pack a couple of extra lens options, thus 'upgrading' the GH7 rig as well.

Literally any monitor with lut support

Strange world we all live in today. The more shades the palette offers, the more people see straight to black and white no less as the more dynamic range sensor technology introduces to us, the more we tend to view the world in narrow contrasts.

People are using Z5ii, a $1700 camera, to shoot raw video, with changing extension hack. 4k30p, 450mb/s on SD. Yea its soft, but its filmic soft. I like this approach when I don't want to deal with massive files.

Absolutely agree. Since starting to shoot Raw, even pseudo one, shooting and editing have become more interesting. The only deadline that a hobbyist can have is to clear your CFExpress card every night, if you plan on shooting the next day. I have only one 2TB card, so I took a habit to trim the captured footage after every shooting day, save it to SSD, and edit a quick video out of it, so we can watch it from the big screen how the day went.

Actually... The boom in raw codecs is being driven by clients That's my hunch. They want the best possible quality master files to do whatever they do with them. And lack the understanding that H.265 is more than fine, or that LOG should *shock horror* be graded!

True. Except that, as hobbyists, we’re not up against deadlines and there are occasions when the more stuff we have to play with, the better. In that respect raw provides more fun opportunities! That is, I suspect a very different perspective to that of a single working professional who needs to optimise client satisfaction (income) while minimising time spent sitting in front of a computer.

Thats with today storage technology and prices. 20 years ago, CompactFlash was expensive and one of the reasons people complained about raw. That's why they were insisting that 12 megapixels is enough and 24mp is unnecessary huge!

I prefer H.265 as well, over the pseudo raw formats. Cinema DNG is still the best quality RAW in terms of the film look and unprocessed sensor readout.

I don't think photographic RAW can be compared to video, or maybe I didn't understand your point. With a 4TB hard drive, you can store infinite RAW photographs. I dive almost every week and usually bring home about 10 minutes of good footage, which I'd ideally like to archive. For special projects, I might get up to 20 minutes. This means between 100 and 300 GB per session. That's not a small amount. Now, it's clear that shooting in RAW is not a medical prescription, but I was wondering if it's a practical solution for everyone, considering that's all anyone talks about now.

It's also worth pointing out that jpeg is, as far as I know, 8-bit only. It's one of the reasons that modern iPhones (and maybe Android?) default to HEIF instead.

Default value of sharpening for NRaw in Resolve is defined in Project setting Camera Raw page and it seems to be 10 out 100 and you CAN set it to zero. Sharpness can be then adjusted on clip level too. With sharpness set to 10 NRaw looks clean, but calm, not over sharpened For Red Raw Resolve has Image detail that can be set to low, medium and high. Z6iii NRaw files pretty surely do not have default noice reduction when you compare same file named to NEV and R3D with R3D’s chroma NR activated.

In still photography, the storage space issue for RAW is less pressing than in video and since each still image can be studied for a long time (at least in print) people can pay more attention to quality (and photographers can afford more time into editing of individual frames with masks etc. while in video it would be extremely tedious to make exposure blending or other manually drawn mask based operations on a frame by frame basis). In the early years of digital system cameras, the difference between RAW and JPEG was more obvious and people got used to RAW because the image details were better and of course the files are more editable. For video, I suspect that RAW usage will be more limited to high end where there are professional colorists etc. and occasional shooters who don't shoot a huge quantity of material. But maybe I am wrong. 😉

Maybe NRAW has a metadata piece that automatically activates a default value of sharpening and noise reduction in Davinci that you can't set to zero. They should compare the files in REDCINE-X Pro.

Different post-processing pipelines and their settings for N-RAW and R3D NE may be what is causing such differences and not necessarily different primary data in the file, unless the person making the video actually used the renaming hack. However, of course it is possible that the data are different in the files. However, sharpening images and storing them in the raw format makes no sense as the images are not in RGB format at that time. Sharpening in that phase could mess up the colors so I doubt they are doing it.

It took me a long time to be persuaded of the advantage of raw vs Jpeg, but once I gave in, I saw the light. I suspect if in camera storage and subsequent drive storage was not an issue, I might be tempted. If I was to earlier in my career rather than the twilight, even more so, but I have decided against. Very tempted with the new Zr, but in the end I have made the decision that I am better putting my effort elsewhere. There are 3 areas for me where I could invest my time & energy. 1. Tech 2. Creativity 3. Marketing I choose 2&3 going forward because 1. is as good as it needs to be for me.

Agreed. However, as you have noted in your example, Sony's SLVS-EC interface is designed primarily for delivering high-resolution and high-framerate capture and not necessarily for increased bit depth: https://www.sony-semicon.com/en/technology/is/slvsec.html#:~:text=Select content-,Overview,more pixels and higher speed. https://www.automate.org/tech-papers/the-evolving-landscape-of-cmos-image-sensor-interfaces#:~:text=High-,SLVS-EC (Scalable Low-Voltage Signaling with Embedded Clock,and data transfer are critical.

Yea, definitely NRAW has baked in NR/sharpness, R3D NE is pure and clean.

In an unregulated state, all the money will go to the owners of the AI built on stolen data (from creatives without compensation) and no working person will have money. It'll be like the 1920s again, and remember the tariffs then made the US depression spread worldwide, leading eventually to World War II. After which a period of relative decency began, until the 1980s where all the money more and more were given to the fewest of people, leading eventually to Brexit, Trump, the Russia-Ukraine war. All of these phenomena since the 1980s happened because the multimillionaires and billionaires want to have all the money and keep it too. Adapting is the same as capitulation which makes working people the equivalent of slaves. All the money will go to the techno-oligarchs and their criminal politician friends. The only way to solve the problem is to make AI models based on stolen data illegal and erase them or give due compensation to the creators of the original teaching data that was used to make the model, and tax billionaires so that they end up with only the money that a decent life requires. This would restore fairness and decency in society and good lives to ordinary people.