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6 hours ago, Django said:

CaNikon, Fuji, Leica. There is something a little soulless about Sony, Panasonic & Samsung (RIP) in my opinion. They focus hardcore on specs but not so much the art form. That is what separates "video" from "cinema" I guess. I'm talking in terms of design, philosophy, color science, DCI options etc. 

I respect your opinion but I totally disagree.

Have you seen films shot with Panasonic Varicam or Sony Venice (doesn’t look soulless to me) or are we talking about mirrorless cameras

Whats soulless to you ? can you show some examples because alot of things are subjective like Colour science, Design, cinematography etc.  

Sony and Panasonic are hardcore focused on specs and so is canon, Fuji and Leica.. so ?. Also what philosophies does Fuji, Canon and Leica have that Sony and Panasonic does not.  Is it because of Sony sensors in which Fuji and Leica uses.

Don’t want to sound harsh, just trying to understand.  I don’t see anything special about Canon, Fuji and Leica.  It’s all so subjective anyways.

7 hours ago, John Matthews said:

YouTubers are often wrong about anything regarding M43. Many of them have said it's "dead", and they can't focus worth a damn... apparently YouTube standards in the camera world surpass Hollywood. Meanwhile, they point their FF camera at themselves at f/1.4, marveling at how their purple and blue twinkle lights don't flutter in the background because, after all, this is what really matters. Am I being harsh?

No! You’re not being harsh, I’m really speaking to m43 users that need it.  That’s fine if you don’t but there are some that do, like solo bloggers, YouTubers and fast action photography. I understand some want high specs like 4k120/6k60 but there’s a sub set of m43 users that just need the autofocus not the high specs.  It’s the reason some didn’t upgrade to the GH6, some moved to sony/canon and some moved to the S series.  Gh6 sales weren’t as good as the GH5, let’s be honest here but it could be better.  If they make one m43 camera with pdaf, then that will shut YouTubers up.

4 hours ago, John Matthews said:

 

I'm making a prediction here:

Panasonic is not ready to let go of the LX100 series and they will release a LX100 iii in the next 1-2 months. It will have a GH6 sensor WITHOUT DR Boost and PDAF. It makes sense.

 

As much as I like the LX100, I think putting PDAF should be the strategy going forward for M43.  Nothing wrong with the GH6 sensor but from the lack of GH6 sales + $800+ price drop and YouTube DFD backlash puts Panasonic M43 users in rough spot imo.  I think they need at least one system with PDAF that cost $1000-$1400 to get them back in the game.

Took a mirrorless camera for a two month trip and used my phone 98% of the time.  Not worth it imo, lugging a big camera with a lens is a drag and you worry about theft also.  If I was getting paid for a job then I would bring it but vacations shouldn’t be about the best IQ, it should just be about capturing memories.  #1 phone.

8 hours ago, gt3rs said:

I'm a bit puzzled why in a shrinking industry people would invest on L mount with basically only nice players with no high-end cinema and entry level consumers camera offering.... Currently the only two pseudo safe bet are Sony and Canon as both have from entry level to high-end cinema camera. Sony has already all in the mirrorless mount and Canon is following, plus you have REDs using the same RF mount.

Competition is good isn’t it.  Why not share the pie, it would be boring if it’s just Sony and Canon.  I’m thankful that there are Sigmas, Panasonic, black magic, Fuji, Leica, DJI etc. because they offer different things for different users.  It’s not like these brands are gonna die anytime soon, there are fan bases for them.  There all just tools anyways and filmmakers/videographers/photographers are just trying to find the right tool that works for them, there’s nothing wrong about someone being interested in choosing L-mount/Z/fx mount/?, just because they don’t have a high-end cinema line.  

11 hours ago, herein2020 said:

Most if not all of the used options on your list don't have useable AF which is far more important to me than sensor size. In a year when you can get the R6II, R8, and the S5II at a decent used price then used will look at lot more attractive.

Cool! I’m speaking to those that don’t need AF as a tool for their projects 100% of the time.  I understand that AF is beneficial for some shooting scenarios but not for every project or every member here. The R8 just got non or ex canon users like me curious but like I said before if I was doing 100% video work, I would rather pony up and buy an S5ii or wait for a used one.  The R8 doesn’t work for me or you but it can definitely work for others here, just gotta deal with its workarounds.  

I think for the Canon users who are in need of this camera, they should definitely buy it as it suits them.   What works great for you doesn’t work for everybody here.
 Same for the non-Canon filmmakers out there that need a cam or an extra cam, there are tools out there right now for cheaper prices.  For less then $1500 you can get a “used” XT3-4/OG S5/S1/Gh5s/bmpcc4k/6k/sigma Fp/Fx30.  So many good options out there right now, buy one that suit your needs.

It’s definitely a good option for existing rf lens owners that want a b-cam but for 100% video users, I would pony the $500 extra dollars for the S5ii.  

The same thing happens with Sony and canon autofocus.  You have to adjust, tap or go manually.  Plan accordingly when doing events, wedding’s, etc.. There are times you should use it and times you shouldn’t, it’s just a tool like anything else.

Richard wong”s S5ii vs GH6 ibis video looks as though there were strengths and weaknesses to both.  GH6 had better pitch, it did better on bumps.  Whereas S5ii had better yaw then the GH6, so a bit smoother.  S5ii ibis seems to be the one to beat for now when it comes to full frame.  I think the next M43 from Pana/OM could be Go pro level though 

The best “walking” ibis tests using native lenses

1) OM systems (OM1 & em1 series)

2) LUMIX G M43 line (GH6)

3) LUMIX S5ii/X (NEW)

4) LUMIX S1 series

5) Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji are good also but with eis crops, catalyst browse, boost i.s etc