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17 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:
I saw demo footage shot with the Z6 raw out to the Atomos V in ProResRAW. That was on display at NAB.
I also know that the S1 will also have raw over HDMI this year too. This was a high up Panny decision that went against some lower managers in Varicam and EVA1 that did not agree with the idea.
Unfortunately, Nikon dragged their feet too long. They had a chance to beat everybody by 6 + months on raw over HDMI. They had a window to be the first any only camera doing it.
Its looking like Panasonic will have theirs ready right when Nikon is ready. Sorry Nikon...missed opportunity. The big question is Sony. What will they do to answer Nikon, Panny and Sigma in the raw world?
Jeremy Young jokingly said at CES;
"If you want Canon to do something, get Nikon to do it first. If you want Sony to do something, get Panasonic to do it first"
When do you think RAW will be released?
Do you think Panny will give RAW to the S1 so soon with the S1H hitting the market?
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Did Atomos say how much better Nikon's ProRes RAW will be compared to there 10 bit external video? And based on the conversations you had with them when do you see RAW hitting the Z6 and Z7?
This update and what Atomos is doing is really going to set these cameras apart and draw a before and after line in the sand.
Have you seen any Nikon RAW footage in person?
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Canon will bounce back.
Market share can drop but Canon still produces quality products and beautiful images. They have all the tech know how to pull anything off based on high end cine cameras and lenses. They do have to show the consumers some kinds of road map moving forward.
How will they address the cine line, the low end consumer and the pro-consumer line ups.
Today's cameras and video is vastly superior to gear that came out 5 years ago and the proof is the C100, Canon Ti and Andy A7 model from back then. Video specs have been pushed beyond what theses camera could do 5 years ago. Lenses do have a long shelf life but there is a reason why cameras get retired and you can't buy them anymore.
It's also crazy to think how dominant Canon could be if they would lead the way in providing up to date specs and innovation.
Here's to Canon and them actually listening to what consumers want.
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7 hours ago, webrunner5 said:
Well when you have just total untruths and lies I am not going to just let people Bull Crap people that really don't know what's happening. Nikon has done a disservice to the people that have bought this camera thinking it is all pie in the sky on this Raw thing. This Might happen, but when you paid what you have paid to hopefully get it they ought to be a heck of a lot more honest than they have like it or not.
Is it a bad camera no. But it will be a worse camera if this doesn't ever happen. And That might really happen.By the time it ever comes out their edge will be gone. Everyone else will have it. Typical Nikon in the last few years. Undeceive as heck. A ship adrift.
I will say no more on this subject. I respect your thoughts @PannySVHS. I will figure out some way as old as I am to put good old Skippy Peanut Butter on Ignore. ?
Sorry but Nikon hasn't done a disservice to the people that bought the Z6 or Z7. I posted info today from Atomos and in two different social media areas they said ProRes RAW is coming later this year. This isn't just Nikon saying this but Atomos the company they teamed up with.
I'll say it again this is from today and not 3 months ago.
In todays market and You Tube speed of light blow back, if you give a date for an upgrade or release and you delay that delivery, the You Tube influencers will damage your company beyond repair.
So please everyone don't listen to a pure Nikon hater as to when and what's coming next from Nikon or Panasonic. In summary Atomos is the one paying the fees to RED for producing RAW video record on the Atomos. That's Atomos and exactly why people us their products. Nikon does not pay that fee and neither do other companies that are relying on external RAW recording. That really sums up why Atomos and Nikon and Sony's FS5 go external to record ProRes RAW.
Here's one update from Atomos about teaming with Nikon's and delivering ProRes RAW.
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On 11/3/2018 at 8:17 PM, Deadcode said:
He is showing every camera at their default settings.
So technically he is using the cameras just like 90% of the users do.
A lot of people complaining sony have the worst skintones. Because they dont know how to grade.
I can make the image from any camera to look good. It's just 30 sec work to fix the Z7 image in post.
And it's just few minutes work to match all of the cameras above to look the same. But we dont want that. We want to argue which one is better...
No he's not. There's no default setting.
Why didn't he shoot everything on vivid profile? It's not the same on any camera. Max doesn't know how to set these cameras up or is being deceitful. No Z7 camera looks like that out of the box.
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More Info about ProRes RAW and Atomos Nikon
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On 7/31/2019 at 10:35 AM, Christopherz said:
Atomos came out with a new video this morning and there is corresponding new software on both Atomos ninja V and Nikon’s page for the Z6. As of July 31st 2019.
Prores Raw is finally here!
I noticed the software updates also. The Z6 footage looked great.
Did the Z6 always have timecode setting with the Z6? Doe this make it pass Netflix specs as a A Cam?
On 7/31/2019 at 6:05 PM, Andrew Reid said:Probably Q/A process is fucking pedantic at Nikon.
Nevertheless, why don't they just come out and give us an update and a new ETA.
It's a bit strange.
They are ominously quiet about it.
Not more then any other camera company. I am getting antsy also waiting for at least an announcement on ETA.
Who has Atomos or Nikon connections? Give us a a little info.
Here' you go everyone.
Atomo response to a You Tube comment.
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5 hours ago, Kisaha said:
And BM and Z-Cam eating Kinefity's lunch already!
Cameras are getting seriously cheap these days, and why not?
I agree. My issue with the Kinefity is availability, lack of reviews and comparisons to BM and Z-cam. You have to give Z-Cam credit for being transparent and an A for effort.
The Z-Cam has no display screen so you have to have the Ninja or higher screen recorder out of the gate. Z-Cam seems determined to make it's mark in cine world.
On 7/31/2019 at 5:11 PM, Shell64 said:Disappointing. It’s as if the raw announcement was marketing hype to gain sales. The z6 isn’t a bad camera but with the s1 being similarly priced to the z6+ninja v and the bmpcc4k being significantly cheaper, lots of people bought the camera probably because of the raw announcement. I feel bad for all of you who did so. Honestly they may never announce it.
What gives you that idea? Nikon and Atmos announced it they said it comes out in 2019. Look how long people waited and wait for the P4K.
If you have solid info pass it on but the knee jerk reactions are crazy. Atomos is more invested in ProResRaw then Nikon and it's going to happen.
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For all the Z6 owners.
How are you using the Z6? Anyone have the Ninja?
What are the good and bad characteristics of the Z6 that you've had to deal with?
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1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:
He is a Photo guy. Industrial photography at that. Razor sharp is the hot setup for that. Video not so much. There is a reason things are a "Good Deal". No free lunch.
3 BlindMean does lots of video work and he's a good knowledgeable You Tuber.
That 85 f1.8 will look amazing paired with the Z6 for video. Anyone looking into this don't listen to the negative ones.
1 hour ago, Timotheus said:Hugh Brownstone helps people wake up on the good deal that the Z system represents... Now having completed the basic trio 35-50-85/1.8, in lightweight, weather sealed, razor sharp, relatively affordable packages.
IF they also deliver on proresRaw as promised in September-ish than I suspect we will be talking about Nikon for a while.
Good post @Timotheus
This is happening in October for east coast people.
Cine Gear Expo Atlanta
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44 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:
I never said they can't ever do it. I said they, you are going to pay out the ass to use it. Just like they will pay Apple to use it. Jesus. You haven't figured out shit. The whole damn world is ALL about the money. It's the reason you go to work. You do work don't you?? It's the reason you paid out the ass for your Z6 when you first bought it. Pretty bad investment right now isn't it. Red and Apple loves you. And Atomos will love your money when you Have to buy a Recorder to use Raw on your Z6. It will probably takes a 120 Dollar HDMI cable from Atomos to even use it to boot. They all have you by the Short Hairs. But you have it all figured out. Yeah right.
No I paid $1,950 for my Z6 with 50mm 1.8 and 64g XQD card. And I sold my A6500 to help pay for the Z6.
So my Nikon Z6 was actually a good investment on my part. It's already paid for itself X 7 over.
If I buy the Atomos Ninja for it to record 12 bit ProRes RAW from the Z6, then I pay them one time. And that's it. The Ninja has other features and looks like a great product. So how much am I paying Atomos for that Ninja?
That Atomos HDMI cable is $30 on Amazon.
5 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:Oh trust me EVERYONE pays. It's all about the money. On ignore, I figured it out. Have a nice week.
Thanks @webrunner5
You needed to cus at me and throw out insults and the minute you're proven wrong you run and hide. That's not very noble of you my friend.
To everyone else I'm sorry for engaging the same was with runner5.
Thanks to everyone for providing information in this thread. Upward and Onward.
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1 minute ago, webrunner5 said:
I never said they can't ever do it. I said they are going to pay out the ass to use it. Just like they will pay Apple to use it. Jesus. You haven't figured out shit.
You said Nikon and Atomos would pay out the ASS. Nikon and Canon and Sony don't have to pay because "Atomos DID have a patent agreement with ProResRAW"
So you were wrong again. Nikon wouldn't have to pay because Atomos is covering that part.
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11 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:
It is also my understanding that RED and Atomos DID have a patent agreement with ProResRAW. Apparently, this compressed raw is NOT an infringement because it was negotiated through RED.
Remember,...as I understand it, the raw from any camera is not compressed until it hits the external Atomos ProResRAW encoder. So,...Nikon and Panasonic don't have to worry about any patent infringement. Atomos has done all the legal work with RED to keep them safe and Panny, Sigma and Nikon are off the hook.
Sorry @webrunner5 you should have looked at Atomos' business model. I did and figured it out.
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11 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:
Because it will be compressed you ignorant bastard. Are you Really that stupid. It will infringe on their Patents. You think the hell you are going to get pure Raw over HDMI, do you? And even if you could do you want 550 to 750mbps data? Your piss ass card in it would last like 5 minutes or less, Way less.
Nikon and Atomos is going to have to pay for Everything they sell to Red on that camera and that recorder whether you believe it or not. Sure if Might happen but it will make Red even more money. They will laugh all the way to the Bank. Even BMD is paying for every camera using bRaw. It is all about Compression that Red owns. They have it locked up.
I would call you a dickhead but I'm trying to ignore that you called me an ignorant bastard.
Your own comments above contradicts you last 4-5 post that RED won't let it happen, etc, etc. You defended that to the end of days and now I'm an ignorant bastard and so much so that you come back and say "Nikon and Atomos is going to have to pay for Everything they sell to Red on that camera". Who the fuck cares if Nikon and Atomos has to pay RED? Are you that stupid that you have to change the argument that you lost from RED won't allow Nikon to do RAW to "Nikon and Aromos have to pay RED to output RAW".
No shit Sherlock. That's what Atomos built that side of its company on. RAW out pout to Atomos recorders.
I since you have old brain I'll break it down further and say Atomos is probably paying Red and not Nikon or Canon or Sony when those brands record out to one of the Atomos recorders.
You clearly don't understand the output RAW to the Atomos and how that probably observes Nikon of any infringements. That actually would explain why Nikon is going RAW out to an Atomos and not internal. This puts the burden on Atomos to deal with RED.
RED also didn't lose that suite to Sony.
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2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:
My "knowledge" spans 35, 40 years of doing this stuff real time. Reading Tons of articles, working with Pro people for years at times for a living. Asking real questions at rental houses, repair techs, on and on. You don't learn this stuff in a year, even 10 years unless you are some gifted as hell person. You Have to go out and do it. Experience the wins and loses. Regret the dumb ass equipment you thought was good, remember the surprises on the good stuff you bought. You learn from all of it. That is gained knowledge.
I am sure I am far, far from the smartest person on here, especially with the newer stuff. But I have been there done it for probably as long as you have been alive. That's why I know and why.
Why don't you read, if you can read, this little article about what Red did to Sony. And see if Red doesn't have all the power in the world to stop little old Nikon dead in their tracks.
And Sony sues RED.
Did you read the article?
Did Sony destroy all the F5 cameras and stop selling them? NO
You take a little information and try and make it fact.
Here's a question:
Why WOULD RED care what Nikon does with 12 bit Pro Res RAW? They don't.
Sony is already using ProRes RAW with the FS5 externally.
Again RED is not filing suit and going after Nikon or stopping them from releasing ProRes RAW from the Z6.
21 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:Wait...I'm jumping into this late and maybe my memory is off here,...but didn't RED "try" to sue Sony over "compressed raw" patents that RED owns? Didn't RED "try" to have the F5 and F55 taken off the market because of Sony's compressed raw CODEC? (Any company can do raw video, it's when you "compress" that raw, that is where you violate RED's patent)
I seem to remember that Sony fired back at RED with like 8 Sony patent violations that RED infringed on (I seem to remember that V-Lock battery's were one of them)
RED dropped their case against Sony in fear that Sony was going to punch RED back WAY harder than RED could ever punch Sony.
No?
Yes you summed up what I found online. Firewater / Webrunner 5 seemed to remember or do a search about RED and is trying to claim RED is stopping Nikon from releasing RAW to the Z6.
48 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:Red won and Sony didn't, end of story. You can believe all you want.
RED didn't win that suite. The F5 is still being sold. Time to put up or shut up with your non-sense post.
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4 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:
You aren't kidding!! That IMX410 and any variant that Sony SemiConductor sells from it is a sledge hammer on Sony imaging company! I'm sure that Sony Imaging is crying to Sony SemiConductor saying "Guys!,...you are killing us here!"
The important things to remember is that both companies have their own profit and loss books. Sony SemiConductor's financial contribution to the Sony parent company is far,...FAR more significant than Sony Imaging's right now. SemiConductor is the real true darling child of the parent company so they will continue to sell their best tech to anybody that will buy it. I do believe that SemiConductor DOES "protect" it's baby brother in some ways though. (Yes,..I'm sure they are closely communicating overall strategy on a regular basis. I don't believe they are "cut off" from each other as some suggest)
I think that the Z6 and S1 will both do 4k in super35, not full frame. (It's impossible to have raw 4k and full at the same time unless you line skip you 6k to sample 4k from it)
I suspect that the S1H's major upgrade over it's little S1 brother will be it's full frame raw 6k readout to a Shogun 7. So the Ninja V will do 4k raw and Shogun 7 will do 6k raw.
Just my take.....will see soon!
I did not dig deep enough to know Sony SemiConductor was doing it's own thing or was able too.
Here's why it's great for us and not for Sony, and that it Sigma, Nikon, Panasonic, etc, etc are pushing the development and output that that sensor can do. People think Nikon is doing very little to take advantage of the Sony sensor it uses and that the sensor is doing all the work. That's simply not true. Nikon knows it has a brand name that only Canon can compete with.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nikon release a S1H type Z camera. Why? Because it would support the same Z lens mount, Nikon is already cracking the video code and it's part of the same process that Nikon uses if they build the Z8 or Z9 next ben cameras.
I really don't think the S1H is going to be the only camera with those specs. It's all about money.
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Sony Shares Specs for Six Full-Frame Sensors, Including a Quad Bayer Chip
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12 minutes ago, Cliff Totten said:
Andrew,....IBC 2019 is next month. I'm certain that it's going to be a HUGE show this year for you guys on that side of the world. I think everybody is going to drop their bomb shell all at once there.
A7S-III? IBC and NAB have always been the place for this model line.
Lumix S1H - full launch with 6k raw over HDMI?
Nikon Z6 - raw over HDMI firmware rollout. (Atomos has CLEARLY said they the are ready for HDMI raw protocol for ProResRAW recording,...they are saying that it's Nikon's developers that they are waiting on.)
Sigma - Cine camera full launch with 4k or 6k raw announcement.
Atomos Ninja V- Announcement of S1 and 4k raw (super35 frame) support for the Lumix S1 and Nikon Z6.
Atomos Shogun 7 - Announcement of full frame 6k raw support for the S1H and maybe Sigma.
CT
Thanks Cliff
If you look at the latest firmware from Nikon for the Z6, they fixed a lot of smaller issues that seemed like house cleaning. It may not be connected to Pro ResRAW but it's good they addressed issues and updated the firmware.
Once the Pro ResRAW is released for the Z6 would it be better to get the Shogun 7 over the Ninja V?
Does anyone know the price point of the Sigma cine camera?
It seem like Sony opened a can of whoop ass on itself with selling the IMX410 to the competitors. Why? because all these other companies are beating Sony to the market with cine cameras that out perform Sony cameras. It makes you wonder what Sony's game plan is.
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3 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:
I am sure I am far, far from the smartest person on here, especially with the newer stuff. But I have been there done it for probably as long as you have been alive. That's why I know and why.
That's my point. You don't know the newer stuff but you jump around like you do.
Again post WHAT THE RENTAL HOUSES SAY. Please. I want to hear that one.
Rental houses aren't touching the Z6 or S1 right now and they rent cine gear. They also know as much as we do on RE RAW and Pro Res RAW and legally what issues hav happened or might happen.
Rental houses will get into the S1H and then the S1 because the cost to rig these out hits that rental mark.
DP's are great tat the craft they do and they have knowledge that is valuable but they also get left behind by technology so much that they don't shoot anymore. I know 70 year old DP's that are still shooting in Hollywood. I also know DP's that are technical shooters that have no cinematic bone in their body.
You say you don't give a rats ass about photography but photography and cinematography are connected.
That's were you come off as a non creative shooter and not a cinematographer. .
5 hours ago, Zeng said:Hi. Right now the only advantage you'd get with Panasonic S1 versus Nikon Z6 is shooting 10 bit 4:2:2 internally. That is, if you want to be extremely undercover with your gear, just a small camera in your hand, no ext. recorder etc. Oh, and that 4K 60p that is so important to some. Not me. Other than that they share the same sensor. Contrary to what some guys keep repeating here, Nikon's Z6 external output is very high quality 10bit, giving 12 stops of dynamic range. Color science is actually excellent. I've yet to do a comparison with Panasonic S1, but I managed to tweak Nikon N-log colors to a LUT that matches Alexa colors very closely. Skin tones look great. Overall, this is a great camera that is unfortunate to be built by Nikon. Which is not regarded as a company you'd associate with video. It's amazing how Sony's A7RIV manages to get attention while offering nothing even close to Z6 in video dept. Apparently it's all about brand names...
Good post Zeng.
It goes to show people on this board with watch You Tube influencers and drink the Sony Kool-aid but not be able to weed thru the bull that's been thrown at the Z6. The Z6 is as solid as the S1 from what Ive seen.
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6 hours ago, Lukas Kalinowski said:
Hello Guys! can som one who has LUMIX s1 or used this along with Nikon z6 can tell me about pros / cons between those two models ( VIDEO ONLY ) Will S1 will have more cons over nikon z6 in terms of grading and internal 60/50p (fullHD) ? I have to choose 2 new body for run & gun documentary for one year of shooting. Nikon z6 or Lumix s1 are two competitor (I have gh5 and this is beast but low light must be usable over 1600 in gh5 its not gonna happened). My Ursa g2 will be to big and too heavy, my pocket 4K is great but this time I need IBIS as hell. Any ideas? Thanks!
Hey Lukas -
I haven't used the S1 yet. I have used the Z6 on commercial video gigs and even next to the FS7.
Advantages of the Z6:
- AF tracking is great in video
- Adapted lens selection is massive
- IBIS is solid - I think the S1 might be better but source footage from he S1 showed the same issues as the Z6 (neither is perfect as you get digital image morph on the S1 at times)
- 12 bit RAW Pro Res is coming so that could be important if you need it
8 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:You Have to be 11 years old. YOU don't know shit about this stuff. Why do you keep making an ass of yourself? I pray you comment everyday so I can just laugh my butt off lol.
Back up your talk then webrunner5.
You keep talking like Jethro who's taking to many shots last night.
Please post links on where you get all your knowledge and how Nikon is full of it for telling everyone they are giving the the Z6 12 bit RAW capabilities. I've asked you over and over to explain yourself and you go on a long RED rant that at some point had ordered and then changed your mind because they were talking too long.
You don't make sense and you don't back up anything technical with facts or proof.
You vocabulary has been plastic faces, crushed darks, and it sucks ass. You probably also said "shit color" over when you defended Sony over Canon a week ago.
Please share you knowledge and tech us all.
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57 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:
Sure if you don't want to compress it then go ahead. Red can't stop that. But you are paying Apple for every camera and recorder sold also just to use ProRes Raw. Add Red to the mix and hell you might be talking big bucks. And over HDMI you are going to have to compress the living hell out of it. That is where Red has Nikon, Atomos by the balls.
If Red doesn't get the money they demand from Every Nikon sale, Every Atomos sale it will NEVER happen. And even then they might say piss on you, we don't Need your stinking money. When it comes to Raw Compression Red has every patent in the world tied up on that stuff. They were even ahead of Arri on that stuff. Red has been in the Digital camera business for a LONG time. They shit around for years, Oh it will be next, year, no it will be 2 years, on and on before they even finally bought out the Red One. But they had patents going Way back. I know, I had one on order for what seemed like Years, and finally gave up. I had to move on.
What are you talking about?
Nikon to Atomos to Pro Res RAW is what were talking about.
RED RAW to Atomos will be the same issues for any camera maker including Nikon, Sony and others for RED to approve. Nikons RAW is Pro Res and nothing to do with RED.
Nikon has already shown Pro Res 12 bit RAW footage from the Z6 and it was't compressed to hell. You can articulate what your talking about because technically you're not up to date on Nikon RAW and what's been show or how it will work.
Pro Res RAW is already out on the market thru Apple and RED didn't stop it did they? Who controls the market RED or Apple?
Seriously give up on the Nikon hate because they delivered a great camera and great video from a camera that shares the same Sony sensor as the S1. Your post are You Tube influencer hatred for no reason.
And again Nikon just released it's third firmware update for the Z6. As of now they are keeping the schedule as promised.
4 hours ago, Geoff_L said:Hi Lukas ! I used the z6 for around 5 months and briefly got a S1 10 days ago (had to sent it back cause my unit was defective, and I am waiting for the new kit to arrive).
I won't compare both too much because I only used the S1 for test shots, and I want to use the S1 as much as the Z6 to forge my opinion. But you mention you need IBIS as hell, so if this is a number one request, I think you should go for the S1.
I was debating between buying a Z6 again or opt for the S1. I weighted both a lot and tried to make the most rational choice given my type of work. My priorities are : build quality, handling and "sealing", IBIS, internal great videos capabilities, lenses choice and adapting possibilities. It is really a tough choice, but I ultimately choose the S1, right after the V-LOG free upgrade.I really really liked the Z6 IBIS (you can find my impressions/mini reviews in the Z6 forum post, back in November/December), but the S1 is a lot more effective for me. I do not use IBIS as a replacement for a gimbal, but for stabilizing me during static shot while hiking/skiing, and for long lens use (wildlife, distant landscape etc.). The DUAL IS of the S1 is close if not similar to the one found in the G9 (which, I believe, is better than the GH5). I was initially really excited by the Z6 raw update, but time has passed, and I do not want to use an external monitor (for what I do, it would be a nightmare). So the V-LOG upgrade finished to sell me on the S1.
Otherwise, here are what I think, quickly : S1 + 24-05 is really bigger and heavier than the Z6 + 24-70, handling on the Z6 is superb, on the S1 as well (I prefer the bigger body of the latter), more lenses choices for Nikon if you consider adapting Nikon G, AF is really really good on the Z6 (I know I will loose that advantage with the S1, but not a critical point to me), coming Sigma native L lenses + adapted canon via MC-21 (limitations have to be taken into account) is perfect for me (most useful lenses for me are some Canon's ones).
So, yeah, won't help you a lot ? But IBIS, V-LOG upgrade, perfect body and handling sold me. Oh, and I don't think there is a wrong choice here, as both are wonderful cameras.Hey Geoff_L - I know you don't want to compare the S1 and Z6 yet but can you give any feedback on how the S1 video was compared to the Z6?
And has the S1 been used on a gimbal yet or is the weight and size an issue?
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2 hours ago, webrunner5 said:
If you can't see that the Panasonic S1 has Way better output than the Z6 I think you just need to find another means of work. Well we will all be dead before Raw comes to the Z6 I would imagine. Red has probably said F U. And I don't give a flying rats ass about the Photography side. They screwed up the CS so bad on it I would Never want to shoot with it for that reason alone..
You're flat out wrong. Nikon's color science is Nikon. (you're the guy that defended Sony's color science just last week).
I posted samples of test video I shout with my Z6 and you say nothing. Why is that?
I haven't shot with the S1 but the comparisons I have seen and video from the S1 looks very close to the Z6. I said this from day one. You have shot, graded or worked with any Z6 or S1 footage. Put up some links that back up your comments.
I have as good an eye as anyone else and to be honest I hope the S1 is better then the Z6. I'm all for that.
Nikon just released firmware 2.01 and this is from Nikon that never did this in the past. 12 bit RAW Pro Res is coming and RED has nothing to do with it. RED can't stop Pro Res RAW.
Take a look down this page and see that little Nikon Z6 on the page.
Panasonic S1 V-LOG -- New image quality king of the hill
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I think the S1 will hold off with RAW external until after the S1H is introduced. That will hurt sales of the S1H and also confuse marketing.
Have you compared the S1 to the Z6?
Looks like I might need to save up for the S1. Are the S1native lenses good for cine manual focus?
And the release a camera and then wait for additional features to be added will not last long if companies keep doing this.