MrSMW

Speaking of cuts, I remember when the Tom Hardy Mad Max came out and it had something like 10x as many cuts as the original. Could be much more than 10 actually. I presume it’s been a gradual change with most movies…

Olympus as OM Systems has come back from the grave with this so-called ‘wow camera’ and maybe…and I hope it will be, - I want them to succeed. But if it doesn’t (succeed), they are dead. My fear with the GH6 is…and I am no tinfoil hat wearer, is that unless it’s a success, it will be the last. If it is the last, how does that bode for Panasonic’s entire camera division? The full frame line is hardly selling compared with the likes of Fuji & Nikon, never mind Sony & Canon. I want Panny to succeed for 2 reasons: A: I’m invested in the kit. Not so invested I couldn’t get out if I had to, though I’d take a hit. B: Other than the AF issue, for so many, it could the best system available. Except their marketing is head in the sand terrible so if the worst happens, they only have themselves to blame. I like the underdog and will generally support them, if I can, over the bigger players, but in order to do so, they do need to make a product; I need/want, is of a minimum standard/spec and actually make some kind of effort to deserve my commitment. In terms of kit, Panny/L Mount has been (mostly) achieving that, but as a company beyond that, I don’t care for them as I did previously with Fuji. Ditto Sigma, I like them, their product and their company ethos. I like it that the head of the family makes launch videos he presents himself. I don’t care for Canon’s policies. Sony to me is just a faceless corporation taking over the World. Nikon…are a mystery. I prefer them over the 2 above but I don’t know why… Perhaps because they have became a bit of an underdog over the last couple of years, mainly in regard to mirrorless? Ultimately, the bottom line for me is quite simple; “does it do what I want it to do?” Will either of these new models do something/anything that my current system cannot? If so, what and is the cost to change worth it? Well I have few needs/wants beyond what I already have… My dream camera is: 1: The S1H shrunk by around 10% in size & weight. 2: Sensor size increased from 24-47mp. 3: Some form of internal ND. 4: Decent/reliable enough AF tracking. 5: Full frame 4K 50/60p not cropped S35. If an SH2 only had 4:, I’d buy it in a heartbeat. If it had some or any of the rest, bonus. I hope the reveal of both of these new boys is not a disappointment, even if neither are for me, simply for the sake of the camera industry at a wider level.

Thanks all so far. I've been playing all day with mixed results but the best method for me seems to be: 1: Add gamut LUT to all clips. 2: Manually correct all clips individually to be 'about right'. 3: Add a global layer and add Nitrate to that and then use the Cineon thingy to reduce it's strength with selected film stock. 4: Select the individual clip and twiddle in Lumetri scopes until it 'looks' right. 5: Then make a screen grab and look at that outside of Premiere. 6: Go back into Premiere and do a final tweak if needs be. I've got a look almost about where I want it so tomorrows test will be to try a whole load of different, but typical clips I might use in a film and then apply the above process. Side by side with my best Natural profile, for the first time, I think I do have something that looks better... I'll keep at it...

I might be interested in one or the other (paired with the Panny 10-25 and 25-50 f1.7's) purely as my indoor/outdoor filming set up...but ONLY if the tracking AF is absolutely on it. I like Olympus or whatever they call themselves these days (so I suppose I like the old company Olympus) and the spec otherwise meets my needs. The OM-1 has hybrid AF but the proof will be in testing and the real world whether it's any good as it's essentially the same system that Fuji use I think? The GH6 though we still have no idea. If it's just tweaked DFD, then the camera is not for me as it's essentially a 6.5k cost less the trade in on the S1H and one, maybe 2 lenses), so 4.5k+ investment. For similar or only slightly better AF, but trading FF for 4/3rds? Err, no. I don't have much hope for either really, for me or for anyone else other than a handful of GH4/5 upgraders because in these media hype driven world of "THE AUTOFOCUS SUCKS", I think you'd be mad to release anything in '22 that wasn't at least decent. But what do I know...

Had a play, liked it. Bought it, got a completely different result 🤪 I don't dislike the completely different result but with the free trial, I was using it on a layer on top of gamut LUT corrected log. After purchasing and installing the specific camera profile, it didn't need the gamut LUT correction but worked instead on the 'raw' log footage. I'll have to play some more...

FC has a free trial I wasn't aware of so I'll give that a whirl and see what happens.

Oh you definitely would not want to blow it up/print it any larger than the original output size. The original full size file at 5076px long edge is a little better, but really this could only be book/album or smaller printing. Maybe higher rez 8k would be a lot better?

How/what do you use in Film Convert?

OK, I have decided to try and make log work rather than the Natural profile I have been using to date for both the S1H and S5 footage. There's a ton of (often conflicting) info out there and I'm sure I'll get a few varied responses here, but it's worth the ask. For context, I shoot weddings and am looking to produce a filmic (as in slightly nostalgic film-like) cinematic end result and tend to prefer a more muted and pastel palette, but with an emphasis on subtle rather than "I slapped on this LUT I bought off ETSY" look. I've been using the gamut conversion LUT which quite a few rave about as possibly the best starting point, but then where? I'm also trying to avoid simply buying a whole lot of shit just to try it and some of it is quite pricey just for that purpose. I use Premiere if it makes a difference. I read good things about Film Convert, but maybe it's just hype, I don't know. Interested to hear and hands on experience from S1/5 log users. Cheers in advance.

S1H graded 4k 50p log screen grab, saved as a TIFF, exported to Lightroom and saved as a 50% size long edge size reduced Jpeg with a small amount of sharpening. Pretty sure I could shoot and edit an entire Wedding Film and simply pull off any number of stills in order to produce a complete set of stills with identical aesthetic. If I didn't want the dramatic crop, I could simply set the film size to say 3:2 before making those screen grabs. Click the image for a larger view. OK, it would not stand up to a side by side equivalent still shot on a 24mp camera, never mind my 47mp S1R...but as most never print and stuff is mainly viewed on nothing larger than a laptop...

Yes, more interested myself in say shooting 120fps at 240th second shutter speed as that more or less coincides the min 1/250th my stills camera is set at. Coupled with 6 or 8k, could be interesting as it’s already pretty decent from 4K. The boundaries and possibilities are certainly interesting and there is a certain appeal to focusing on just one form of capture and then producing 2 sets of results from it, with identical aesthetic. At the moment, I can’t quite get photography and video from the same shoot to have exactly the same look, so deliberately keep things different in a number of ways such as 3:2 pics vs 2.35:1 video, a different but complimentary grade to each being the main ones. I just need a full wedding day where I am booked to shoot only video and then I can pull out the stills for a full set of photography results…but of my 40 or so booked clients, about 5 are photo only and the rest hybrid. I suppose I could just pull from one of those jobs and will have to settle for that.

I started offering video on top of photography some 15+ years ago on the basis I never knew what type of muppet would show up 😉 To be fair, not all videographers were muppets, but few were compatible shall we say... So yes, totally in house ever since other than the 3 clients since who have breached contract, 2 of which were fine, thwe other, muppet. On the day, the couple hated him from quite early on and by the end of the day... (and don't ask about afterwards...). I've tested at 4k and 6k and 4k was better from the S1H. Motion blur is the biggest issue with 50 or 100fps shutter speeds... But I reckon I could get away with doing zero photography on the day and just producing screen grabs from 4k footage. I don't think a single person would ever know. I will test that theory soon, perhaps this year even, but the simple fact is I enjoy photography. I am as much photographer as I am filmmaker so why would I want to not actually take pics? Otherwise I just become a technician. Anyway, what was this thread about? Aesthetics. To keep it on topic, I'm going to be exploring the aesthetics of 4k screen grabs this year...

I've had guests turn up at weddings before with an enormous pro grade shoulder camera. I've had guests turn up with backpacks full of cameras, lenses and lighting... Some introduce themselves and ask if they can shoot alongside me all day. Err, no. Others just get on with it as if I'm not even there, indoors or out. I had one Leica toting dude directing bridal prep a couple of years back before I had a quiet word with the couple and said it's him or me, choose now. Nothing to do with ego if their camera is 'bigger or better' than mine, but when you have a professional image to uphold... It's no different to me walking into a chefs kitchen and saying, "Hiya, I've brought my own knives but I'm just going to use some of your ingredients the rest of the day if that's OK with you?" And that's the polite version, - imagine just wandering into the pro chef kitchen and just using their ingredients without a word as if you owned the place. There's bold and there's absolute fuckwittery... Fortunately, that kind of thing happens rarely, like 1 in 30 gigs maybe, but from time to time it happens. Once, it was the parents of the bride. Yep, blanked me from the start and acted as if they had been booked. Bride went along with it because they were paying but when I asked her why she booked me she looked at me funny and said, "because my parents are shit". At one wedding with 9 guests, 2 of them turned up and tried to shoot it like pros all day and when discussed with them, told me they could do as they wished. Imagine, one quarter of the people there were capturing the other 3/4. That was a fun day. I could write a book and one day, maybe I will 😉 People eh? Messing with my aestheticism 🤨

Because as the saying goes, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Personally, I want: The highest quality starting point +/vs the least compromise (but there will be compromise) Photo and video. It's just a no-brainer for me. I'm playing with some stuff right now, photo and video, ahead of this year's season. Photography-wise, it's really just some fairly minimal tweaks but with video, I'm really trying to explore shifting from SOOC profile to shooting log. At least for anything 4000 iso or under, otherwise I'm sticking with my profile. The aesthetic, as Tim just mentioned, is whatever we want it to be.

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Define. Rhetorical question. I am sure the GH6 would tick every box for me as a video tool for my needs as the GH5 already does and the same goes for my S5 and S1H, other than the above question. It will be interesting to see if ‘improved AF tracking’ = a switch to PDAF, or whether it’s just another tweak to the DFD system. I really don’t care what it is or how it works, just that it does. Having said that, I’m more interested to see what they do with the GH6 AF because that might reveal where they will probably then be going with the next gen S1 line…

Tell that to the French 🤔 To be fair, I haven't made as much effort with the language as I might, but I have many excuses... 🤥

The only flash I use is Godox AD200 off camera. I don't use on camera myself and haven't in at least 7 if not 8 years, but OCF, at dusk or after dark yes. Mostly outdoors, but not always, lighting up folks speaking during wedding speeches etc. Direct if outdoors or bounced if indoors. Great bit of kit and all I need. I went off flash a bit the more I did video, but I'm bringing it back quite a bit for '22.

Does anyone know what SD cards Villeneuve used to shoot Dune on?

Someone, somewhere, will be asking the question, "what SD cards did they shoot Dune on?"

Which reminds me that I received an email the other day from a company offering to actually do negative stuff on-line and on social media in regard to competitors. Beyond words. I have done a small amount of 'industrial espionage' in the past regarding a couple of competitors re. pricing (as is done to me quite regularly, some of which I can spot, most of it not) but actually takes steps to actively attack someone? I'll see if I can dig it out...

I think so also... I don't think people outside of the industry have much say in regard to the aesthetic and nor do they/we have much say over the content other than voting with our feet and wallets in regard to the latter. Plus our all important keyboards of course. I just watched Dune this weekend and was blown away by the aesthetic. Best movie ever? Well that one is debatable and in regard to the aesthetic, is it all 100% real? Of course not, but that combination of real + manipulated, the lighting both at the time of capture and fiddled with in post, the tonality of each scene etc... Shot on digital, transferred to film and then scanned back to digital in order (in their words) to combine the best of both for some kind of crossover look. It appealed to my aesthetic anyway!

Both my father and mother-in-law. To a T. I block my father on social. My wife blocks her mother. They are like out of control rabid kids. With tourettes. Actually what @kye has mentioned about workplace issues, I have experienced twice. Not actual bullying (good luck with that, - I don't wish to sound macho or anything, but just good luck with that with me...) but behind the scenes manipulation of other folks over a prolonged period of time. Both cases, photographers hiding behind on-line personas (in one of the cases, pretending to be a bride...which he wan't), over a period of time and with butter that would not melt in their mouth, slowly beavering away at under-mining the foundations. And for a while, they made progress but then their behaviour came to light. Or rather the incidences did and then after investigation, the culprits were brought to the surface. They were dealt with publicly. No fuss, no drama, no shit-talk, - the facts simply presented. Neither are still in business. Speaking generally, it is what it is though, - part the 'fault' of the existence of the internet and partly the steady erosion of society. Actually, I think the two go hand in hand and whilst neither is responsible for the other, they both add fuel to each others fires.

Well that's pretty poor. I don't use Facebook (other than occasionally Marketplace or something specific by a friend or family that I have been alerted to) but had to de-friend my own father a couple of years ago as he was such an internet troll/keyboard warrior. I have zero time for this kind of shit.

Meet in the middle and agree on 'somewhere around 3/10' 😜