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11 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

I'll do a comparison between the 5D II, 70D and EOS M.

In both full sensor and crop modes.

The EOS M sure is good for c-mount lenses.

Which exact download & branch of Magic Lantern are you guys using?

Cool! ? I don't get them straight from the ML Site as they're a bit "out-dated". Daniel Anderson uploads new updates regularly for certain ML Cameras, the link is here: https://bitbucket.org/Dannephoto/magic-lantern/downloads/.

20 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

You guys are getting this thing to sing.

I have tried it out as well. I find the full-sensor recording a bit messed-up, I think I might need to revise my workflow. The crop recording is good, but working with a very small sensor area.

I prefer the 70D at the moment... Found one for 200 euros used with a lens, high shutter count. It is now doing 14bit lossless compressed RAW with UHS card speed hack, full resolution no crop Super 35mm RAW at nearly 1920 x 1080. Damn thing looks like a Digital Bolex with Autofocus

I will continue to explore my EOS R and 70D, check the blog soon

Loving the EOS M mostly due to its size and the ability to apply a Focal Reducer. Sold the 5DII. You can put the EOS M in one pocket and a C Mount Lens in the other lol.
But yeah the 70D is very nice indeed with that captivating Dual Pixel Autofocus alongside RAW (Gosh!). Not sure about the Aliasing with that camera though from what I've seen! Look forward to reading the blog! Cheers   

YouTube compression may have helped here as well. But in general, the results were pretty good and I was quite surprised considering the price of the camera. These days most people upscale or upload their videos in 4K to YouTube to avoid making their footage look like Minecraft from YouTube Compression, so even in 4K, the result was pretty clean. 

9 minutes ago, plucas said:

Thanks. I'll definitely try that dual ISO. 12-13 stops of DR is very appealing too.

I have wondered if there's something wrong with my copy of the EOS M because the noise is terrible indoors and without a lot of light. Hopefully it's user error.

Most other cameras are too. Nothing wrong with your copy. Are you using a speed booster? And what lens? I think the worst thing most people do is increase the ISO in dark situations instead of applying lighting (unless you have the A7S etc.). I use a Viltrox Mini LED Light indoors on a tripod to light one side of my face, whilst the other is lightened through natural window lighting (I'm no lighting pro, but it seems to work).

I was scratching my head between choosing the Lens Turbo II, Viltrox EM2 & The Metabones (For BMPCC).
It's a shame the cheap speed-boosters (Viltrox) don't allow for IS or OS on Canon or other Third Party Lens. They almost had it in the bag.

7 hours ago, plucas said:

Zeek's film presents for the MLV App are great.

I think you need to over-expose without clipping highlights to achieve best results but, as said above, it holds a lot of detail.

I've found low light fliming tricky though because there's so much noise.

Dual ISO 100/400 (I feel 100/800 is too aggressive) really helps heaps in tough situations and gets you 12.9-13 stops of DR. I haven't had any issues with Low light! Use a speed booster, keep ISO @100, and use a fast lens (at least f1.4 for the night). Cinema companies still use noise reduction software, so that can be included in the editing workflow if needed.  

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39 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Thanks a lot! . Yeah, surprisingly enough, it was recorded at the resolution of 1736x976 before the upscale. Just shows how much information the RAW file contains. 

 

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Are these full sensor width, or a heavy crop?

No heavy crop at all! The crop I believe is the typical canon EOS M crop x1.61. My Sigma 18-35mm looks really wide and with a Viltrox 0.71x speed booster, I can use between 24-35mm F1.2.

21 minutes ago, mercer said:

Love what you’re doing with the EOS-M, zeek! The Milvus/Samyang comparison was great. I look forward to your BMPCC videos!!

Thanks, Mercer, the Eos m raw can really shine if the RAW is manipulated properly, i'm still learning anyway. I'm really impressed with the bmpcc original as well. The proress HQ looks very close to RAW, and the RAW, when upscaled to 4K resolution in Davinci Resolve, looks quite close to the BMPCC 4K. Cheers! 

7 hours ago, Emanuel said:

 

Nice! The pink highlights gave the EOS M away. But it can be fixed immediately in MLV App if the RAW White level is changed from the original "16200" to "15000". I also purchased the Orginal BMPCC for peanuts, though haven't used it much yet as I still need a few extra pieces of equipment (one being a "powerbank"). Few test footage looks quite nice though. 

10 minutes ago, tweak said:

No lens will look as good as with MLRaw  . My Canon FDs look good on GH5, but they look amazing with MLRaw.

Maybe these older lenses just look nicer when you have a fuller colour spectrum, having 8-bit you loose a lot of that at which point you probably only focus on their short comings as vintage lenses (or at least rank them more in the sharpness/distortion category).

Agree 100% Even a kit Lens will look cinematic with Raw Video.

1 hour ago, kaylee said:

how come?

I had Zeiss lenses with the Sony A6300 and the Panasonic G85 and they never looked as good as when I would use them with ML RAW. 

18 minutes ago, mercer said:

I know what you mean. I love my Nikkors but there is just something different about the Zeiss. Out of curiosity, I just did a search to see what the Zeiss 50mm 1.8 looks like on other cameras and I found an older video of it on the GH3 and it just didn’t have that Zeiss POP that I am seeing with it on my 5D3... maybe Zeiss and ML are the perfect marriage... good observation. 

I think 8 bit and Zeiss struggle together (Except for photos, when shooting RAW).  

3 hours ago, mercer said:

Other than my Canon lenses and a few oddballs, I have a very small set of Nikkor ai-s lenses and the Zeiss. I particularly like the cooler rendering of the Zeiss glass with ML Raw and can see that Arri look you’re referring to. I just bought them a couple of weeks ago, so I’m looking forward to messing with them more. 

Which 2x Anamorphic did you use in those shots... that’s a wicked image. I know very little about anamorphics but I always thought a Yashicascope could be an interesting pairing with the eos-m in crop mode... but they seem hard to come by. 

Yeah nikkors are not bad, but when compared with Zeiss lens, something inside tells you that the Zeiss has something special. Even when I apply LUTs, it's like the Zeiss increases the Bit Depth lol and allows every color in the footage to be touched. 

Anyway, I used to use an EIKI 16F 2X adapter for a long time which was decent enough, but in the sample footage I used with the Takumar the Proskar Ishico 2X Anamorphic Adapter. I used to have one of these a while back but the focusing was so stiff. So this new one was in a good nick. Also, no dioptor used. I think I could get as close as 2 and a half feet with a sharp image. As for flaring, I haven't tested that yet as the taking lens is Super-Multi-Coated.

11 hours ago, mercer said:

I just bought a few old Carl Zeiss lenses for Rollei QBM mount that I am obsessed with on my 5D3. Even the f/2.8 lenses have that creamy Zeiss bokeh. 

I didn’t realize the 6D ML was that good... do you think it would be a good B-Cam for a 5D3?

Zeiss color rendering I think goes hand in hand with Canon ML Raw. I used to have a Sony A6300 which I sold to keep the EOS M instead, and the Zeiss lenses were never as good as they were on my old 5DII, III and 6D.
I think the 6D is a great B-Cam, producing in my opinion (ARRI Like footage) when paired with Zeiss lenses. I'm not sure what the builds are like now on the 6D though. 

After doing a lot of tests, I haven't got the hang of removing purple frames from 1x3 bining mode though I am really satisfied so far with the MV1080p where I barely have to stretch footage in post. The graphic is amazing so far. I used a 2x Anamorphic adapter to capture the frames using the settings below in Dannes latest build and the Canon EOS M. 

Crop Mode: MV1080p 1736x1158
Bitrate - 10bit
Ratios - OFF

RAW Video:
Resolution: 1736x1158
Aspect Ratio: 4:3
Data Format - 14Bit Lossless

Also, no aliasing or purple frames (at least for now)
2x Anamorphic Adapter + SMC Takumar 50mm f1.4  @f2.4

7 hours ago, mercer said:

All Raw looks pretty good to me but there is just something special about 14bit FF Raw with that little punch from Canon’s color filter array.

Agree. My favourite ML Fullframe camera is definitely the Canon 6D. The footage it produced was un-earthly, especially when paired with Zeiss lens. 

6 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Why don't you variably shoot with 1x3 binning mode as well?

I have tried it out, but am not having luck so far with the live view and the purple frames. I will give it more time and see how everyone is doing with it. But it definitely looks like a great step forward, although I am quite happy with the build I am using now. 

2 hours ago, Alpicat said:

It's incredible how much progress has been made on the EOS M in the last few months! I've tried several builds with the 1x3 binning setting but was getting corrupt footage every time, until today - with Danne's latest build I'm finally getting good results in this mode. The max res in 1x3 seems to be 1184x2000 in this build (which stretches out to 3552x2000) - I'm getting continuous shooting in 14-bit lossless. As @Brian Williams mentioned the rolling shutter is really pronounced though, and there's noticeable fixed pattern noise in the shadow areas which I hadn't seen this camera do before. Don't know if these things can be improved in future builds.

Great News Aplicat! 

Thank you! :D

On 1/18/2019 at 10:32 PM, Nikkor said:

It's not a real speedbooster but some chinese crap, the first copy that came out that had bad coatings and gives a blue point in the center when shooting against the sun. The only way to have a good speedbooster on the eos m is to modify a e mount speedbooster and combine it with a ef-efm adapter, this will give you full ef compatibility. They made some of those hacks in Korea, not shure if they still do it.

To be honest, I know what you mean about the quality and the coating. I've experienced the flaws with the M43 version, though this cheap one for the EOS M has been producing great results. I think the Vignette you mention is from the cheap ND Filter I was using (the Zomei), but nonetheless, it could also be a typical wide open aperture thing. Also, great news with the new build. Looks very promising for Magic Lantern users. Cheers!