newfoundmass

$2000 for a camera that shot 4K 60p, 4K 4:2:2 and had class leading stabilization in 2017 was overpriced? We're literally only now seeing cameras that come close to the capabilities of the GH5. The price decrease is because of how much competition has shown up in the 2 years since release.

Obviously I'd like as many options as possible when it comes to codec and bit rate, but I also don't absolutely NEED more than that for a lot of my work. Being able to shoot an entire event on one or two SD cards in 4K on my GH5 is wonderful. And when I have shot in log I've been happy with the results. Would raw, ProRes, etc be nice though? Absolutely!

That's uncalled for. If you're going to behave like that take it elsewhere.

I think the price really hurt it. For $1,000 less I think it'd have gotten a much warmer welcome, especially given how good the footage I've seen looks. I'm jealous of the people that could afford it! Color science is very important, especially for things that need quick turnaround. I used to shoot in log/flat picture profiles, but I've been pleased overall with Panasonic's color. I usually will tweak it slightly in post, especially when I am using different cameras, but having good color straight out of camera is really nice.

Not sure how you can weather seal something that has vents.

Check this out if you're a M43 shooter. I bought one and it works great, though I've been just using a regular adapter for a lot of stuff! https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F182232037366 I imagine there's similar for other mounts!

Indeed! The 12-35 works great for event shooting, I rarely miss a shot because it's out of focus. And this is fast moving professional wrestling, relatively low light performances, etc. For other stuff I use manual focus, in part because I usually am using a manual prime lens, either vintage or one of my Rokinons (85mm T2.2 ❤️), or an adapted Sigma 18-35mm. Even if I had the AF of a Canon or Sony my work wouldn't change. My favorite lenses are all manual focus lenses; I kinda feel bad for people that aren't using beautiful vintage glass because they don't want to shoot without auto focus. I love my Minolta lenses! They're affordable, well made, and sharp!

I shoot events with my GH5, which supposedly has unusable auto focus, using single point auto focus with no problem. It's all relative, really.

That's why I said ALMOST. Y'all are just beating a dead horse at this point.

Holy shit at you and PDAF. ??? I ALMOST hope Panasonic never does PDAF just to spite the people that never shut up about it.

"If Sony doesn't announce the A7Siii by the fall I might switch to Panasonic." I don't think he's the only one that feels this way either.

That's the really interesting thing about all of this, honestly. This, at the very least, puts pressure on Sony and Canon in both their mirrorless AND cinema lines. The A7Siii will need to bring specs that are at least in the ball park, if not equal, to the S1H. Because even if they manage to do everything this camera can do in 4K, Panasonic upped the stakes by adding full frame 6K. And while I'm one of those people that is pretty vocal about not needing anything above 4K, I do realize that having 5.9K/6K is a selling point to some and ultimately puts them ahead in what feels like a race to higher and higher resolutions. If the A7Siii doesn't match the capabilities of the S1H and doesn't have an attractive price, it isn't gonna be a good look for Sony. It also puts pressure on Sony and Canon's cinema lines. The C200, C300, FS5 MK II, FS7 MK II, etc. have their strengths, obviously, but all of them are substantially more expensive than the SH1 and don't have a full frame sensor. And will anyone be shocked if Panasonic goes the Nikon route and works with Atomos to get raw via HDMI working? That's a pretty compelling alternative for users at that level. Also how does all this affect the GH6, both in terms of specs and price? Unless I missed something, there's no crop. It's full frame. I think that's why people were saying it was a game changer; it really shakes things up.

????? Legitimately laughed out loud at there being a flip out screen.

Good for them for doing that.

It should also be noted that nothing has been announced, as far as I know, about codecs.

Camera Conspiracies is hilarious! C'mon, lighten up.

I'm in agreement overall. I don't think full frame is necessary at all! The GH5 was worth every penny at $2000. It was literally 2 years ahead of its time. It's still a great deal at the $1300 or whatever price point it's currently at.

Sony and Canon are doing it but with S35 sensors and more expensive.

Because it's full frame? I'm in the camp that thinks full frame is overrated. I'm happy with my micro four thirds loser sensor (™Camera Conspiracies)!

Panasonic clearly isn't targeting people that are shooting on a $2000 full frame hybrid and trying to get them to switch. There's literally nothing on the market that can do what the S1H does in its price range. To get something that can you're heading into RED, Arri, Canon C700, or Sony Venice territory. I am not sure what part of any of that you don't understand.

The S1H is clearly made and marketed towards production professionals. It was released at Cine Gear and the "cine" and "cinema" verbiage used to announce it should give that away. Most of the folks buying this camera will use external monitors anyway. You weren't going to be happy short of it having PDAF and a flip out screen. That it leads the way in every other category is irrelevant to you, so I don't think you're their target customer. Best to wait for the A7Siii maybe and hope that it can do 4K60p without combusting?

No, I don't believe there was, which is "eh."

I too like the flip out screen, but cinema folks aren't relying on a flip out screen to begin with, they're using an external monitor. I also don't understand why people thought the body would be much different than the S1 or the S1R. Overall $4k for a camera that does full frame video with all those features is very reasonable for anyone that wants/needs those features.

The A9 isn't targeted towards filmmaking. The A7Sii was $3,000 on launch. If the A7Siii is less than $3,500 I'll be shocked. I agree though about lenses, they are definitely the weak point.

I mean, there's no camera on the market that can do what it can do in that price range. And given there was speculation that it'd be in the $6k range, $4k sounds reasonable enough. If you think the A7Siii will be that much cheaper, and come even close to the capability of the S1H without the risk of exploding you will probably be really disappointed. I too though am waiting for the GH6.