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2 hours ago, Trankilstef said:
RAW is a reality : https://www.atomos.com/press-releases/atomos-panasonic-lumix
Would it be Prores RAW or other raw format?
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5 minutes ago, thephoenix said:
better than 5k then but still pricey for what it is to me. guess it will price down in a few
Actually if you count the 200 euro vlog update, this camera is about 1200 euro more than the S1, but if offer a lot more. By the way, I just checked cvp store and there is an offer with the XLR audio module included for free
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Glad I held myself from getting a S1 yet. I am really interested in this camera. A major deciding factor for me would be those apertures on the sides for the cooling system. I hope it's an additional element added on the sealed chassis with a heatsink connecting the inside with the outside. Otherwise it would not be a camera to be used confidentially under bad weather or wind. But if you look at big boy brands like RED, Alexa, most of them have vans and people use them in any kind of environments, from the deserts down to -30 or so.
1 hour ago, zerocool22 said:Kinda sucks that they use SD instead of Cfast though.
For the Gb/money ratio, SD are the best option. If you need huge amount of Gb space, at a certain point it's cheaper to add an Atomos recorder and SSD drives.
2 hours ago, thephoenix said:(4k$ body only in the usa so almot 5k in € probably)
It's listed at 4000 euro or about 3300 without vat, body only
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Personally I would skip altogether the idea of a photo backpack for air travel. Really, you are not risking anything at all. Actually I don't like photo backpack much at all. I think their main use is to make you look professional to potential clients or customers. Just imagine the different ideas a client can have of you if he sees you carry your professional expensive cameras in a schoolboy backpack versus an expensive 300 euro photo backpack.
Just use a good, light and comfortable trekking backpack and stuff if with your clothes for protection. You save weight and space. For example mountaineering gloves act perfectly as a lens case. You can fold a camera inside a T-shirt. A book at the bottom of the backpack act as a hard protection absorbing most part of potential shocks. A photo backpack will waste space and weight just by itself, and if you walk a lot you will feel the difference. Also, photo backpacks are like wearing a sign saying "hey I carry very expensive things". A worn out trekking backpack way will give the impression you are carrying your dirty clothes inside. Potential thieves will see you way before you can see them, especially in a foreign country. A photo backpack will make them concentrate their attention on you.
I see you list Air France and Kenya Airways. I suppose you are going somewhere to Africa? If so, I don't know your travel plans, but if you want to travel locally with local transportation, keep in mind the buses will be quite full and cramped (people sitting in the corridor, 3 people sitting on 2 seats, you will almost never be the first in the line to board the bus/car so you will have to "fight" your way to the best seats, etc). And you don't want to leave your expensive gear in the common trunk. Your best option is to keep your photo bag on your laps when you are on the seat. Act as other spaces are not available. If there are spaces, good, if there are not, you are prepared.
Keep in mind also the battery paranoia of this year. Lithium batteries are only for carry on baggage, not checked in. So, count on this added weght also.
Considering air travel and the increasing paranoia on weight limitations, there are so many strategies to go with a heavier hand bag. My record was 28 chilos as hand luggage, totally undetected. You can:
- have a friend/relative carry you to the airport. You leave your photo bag to your friend while you go to the checking desk with a decoy backpack on your back, small and light (just put something inside like some clothes and books to give it some mass). Then, after your check-in, you simply switch your decoy bag with your real bag (out of sight of the check-in desks...) and off you go
- reduce your gear and for me the first one to go would be the photo backpack itself
- carry a jacket folded on your arm and stuff the heavy things in the pockets (use the side facing your body). Even the sleaves of a jacket can act as a temporary case to hold stuff if you make a knot at the end.
- you have a heavy hand luggage but you act innocently at the checking desk like you are carrying a 2 chilos hand bag. Considering the time spent at the checkin is like a couple of minutes, you could also ask something irrilevant to the operator to draw his attention from your bags to your useless question
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6 minutes ago, helium said:
The great news is, there are now cameras, including these two, which produce a theatrical-quality cinema image for maybe 5% of the price of one year of film school. And for the cost of another credit or two, you get a grading suite which used to run $800/hr.
The bad news is, great DPs, lighting, production design and actors haven't gotten any cheaper. And let's not even get started on the writing.
Agree on the first part, just compare a 2019 2000 euro camera and a 2015 20000 euro camera.
Disagree on the second part, intellectual work, specialised handicrafts or arts should never follow a race to the bottom of prices
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1 hour ago, deezid said:
Look at the comparison on top. there's nothing blown out in any of these two samples, but the BMP4K has significantly more noise in the shadows and some haloing going on in the girls hair.
The S1 looks basically perfect - maybe too perfect - in this example and clearly has an advantage in color science and dynamic range.
26 minutes ago, helium said:The S1 had a significantly brighter exposure, so I don't know that you can compare noise of the two shots. The haloing thing, seen with Prores and braw, is not visible to the naked eye, least of all with moving pictures as opposed to stills. Why the fuss about this one, I don't know.
Based on this one S1 sample, my guess is that the S1 does have more DR, but impossible to say without a rigorous comparison.
1Alex82: the blown-out window in the S1 shot is not really blown out. On the principle that we were doing a fast one-light adjustment, I let it go "as is". This didn't occur on the BMPCC 4K shot because the initial exposure was darker. Neither shot is actually clipped. The other issues you remarked on may have more to do with initial exposure levels, and the fact that there's much less DOF in the S1 shot, and consequently less contrast in those areas. Use of power windows would alter things somewhat.
Maybe I did not say it well. I was no saying the image has blown out areas. I was saying that this kind of situation is really stressing on sensor capabilities. You have reflections on polished or metal surfaces and recessed areas which create like a black hole. Basically it's like having several small Syper Cubes in the scene testing the upper and lower dynamic range of the cameras and both perform well. If we look at the highlight of the images posted in deezid's post both cameras also perform really well.
It's a personal preference but I still prefer the S1 image, which is the camera I would (and quite probably will) get given the choice.
What lenses where used for the shots? The same lens on both cameras so it can be a fair comparison?
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20 hours ago, helium said:I don't see any "enhancement" in the braw image (this is a tune only deezid seems to play) or objectionable noise. It looks like the Panny is resolving a bit more detail. braw first, panny second.
I don't know if it's mainly for the full frame vs 2x crop factor, but I prefer the panasonic image. It's a personal opinion, but there is less "videoish" look to it. But I also like the way the BMPK 4K renders the window in the upper left corner and the black armchair in the background, where you have almost total blown out whites and total blacks. That armchair speaks a lot for the sensor capabilities.
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13 hours ago, Brian Williams said:
I was there two years ago, my 73 year old Dad got pickpocketed within the first few hours, lesson learned!
I am Italian but when I was an exchange student in the states, I was living in a rural area not far from Detroit and people warned me several times not to go to some places in Detroit. If I sum up all the advices, I would say that probably 25% of Detroit was a "no go" zone. On the contrary, in the place where I was staying people were going to the mall leaving their car unlocked. Some Brits told me the same about places in the Southern suburbs of London.
What happened to your dad can happen in many places in the Western World, regardless of the country you are in.
15 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:I am curious to know the story behind the Italian one. Did the old dictator have a bit of a stroke or just out of it on drugs?
He was not a dictator. Andreotti was a major player in Italian politics since WWII and elected several times with the Democtaric Cristians, once one of the major parties.
Anyway, if you want something funny about him, he had a hump on his back. He occupied the same seat in the parliament for so long that the seat assumed the shape of his hump.
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11 hours ago, deezid said:
I would have understand that in the 90s, but that was like 20 years ago.
I suppose they do it the physical way to avoid or to at least render it a lot harder to hack the camera into having the vlog for free. Since the vlog update is only software and not hardware related, having a physical step in the process is probably the safest way for panasonic to protect its software. Softwares sooner or later can all be hacked, be it magic lantern, adobe package, capture one, windows, etc.
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For video I am too considering a full switch to Resolve, since I read so many positive feedback on it.
For still images I already switched to Capture One and I really like it. Although I still use Photoshop for the Nik collection plugin (I like it for black and white conversion) or more specialized processing.
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I suppose the issue could hide in the combination of any of these: hdmi output, internal writing to card, card speed not fast enough.
Regarding moire on the those tissues, isn't this simply related to the physic of optics (nyquist theory, sensor pixel pitch, ecc.)? What camera do not show it with that kind of cloth?
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46 minutes ago, Otago said:
I would've chosen the RF mount if there wasn't that pesky patent
Perhaps Red will be licensing it for the Komodo or perhaps they are just flying a few more sheets to the wind!
I think they have probably chosen the EF mount because the patent is cheaper to use than the brand new RF one and the user base is a lot higher, with millions and millions of EF lenses already in the world. So it comes with a better cost/benefit ratio.
Also, I did not do the math, but the difference in size from m43 to super35 sensor looks like the same one from 4k to 6k. Probably the fotosite dimension is the same, so it could be that both camera use the same sensor technology with the 6k sensor only cut bigger from the silicon sheet. So, this also translate into faster research and production times.
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5 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said:
6K means more data. Def faster cards. And then there’s the xtra $1200.
Which means also a computer with more horsepower, more money to invest.
Keeping the subject of this discussion, if you don't need AF, personally I would choose 3-5 Zeiss ZF/ZE primes, good lenses and some of them are quite cheap. Which is also my strategy so far, keep some good lenses and see the camera body as the first part to be changed/upgraded. In this case Nikon F and Leica R mounts are more universal.
Considering Canon lenses, I don't know them well, but optics like the 100mm f2, the 135mm f2, the 400mm f5,6, the 300mm ones are well regarded. The 100mm f2 is also quite cheap on ebay.
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2 hours ago, kaylee said:
for folks, not ME ofc, who might not understand *exactly* why this is important in a practical way, maybe you could elaborate...?
I am not a tech geek and I will probably commit many errors in this rough explanation, but basically Photoshop, Premiere (don't know about other programmes like DaVinci) in order to output 10 bit to a 10 bit monitor use the OpenCL interface and not the DirectX that many other softwares use. Common GPUs like the GTX or RTX series cannot work with the Adobe package in OpenCL and would only output in 8 bit. So even if you selected 10 bit in the software settings, on the monitor the image would still be 8 bit. To have a real 10 bit image you had to get a Quadro or FirePro graphic card, which more professional and not cheap.
I will try to get more info on this, but if this works out as advertised, it will mean you can have 10 bit images with many GPUs commonly found in many computers.
Or if you are building up your computer like I am doing now, it means that keeping the same level of performance, compared to a Quadro, you can get a cheaper card at half the cost. Or if you want to invest the same amount of money you can have a GPU with about double the Vram compared to a Quadro one of the same price.
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It looks like real 10 bit output with Photoshop or Premiere can be had also with non Quadro GPUs
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/studio-driver/
Glad to know and share since I am building up my desktop!!
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39 minutes ago, Lukas Kalinowski said:
Hello Guys! can som one who has LUMIX s1 or used this along with Nikon z6 can tell me about pros / cons between those two models ( VIDEO ONLY ) Will S1 will have more cons over nikon z6 in terms of grading and internal 60/50p (fullHD) ? I have to choose 2 new body for run & gun documentary for one year of shooting. Nikon z6 or Lumix s1 are two competitor (I have gh5 and this is beast but low light must be usable over 1600 in gh5 its not gonna happened). My Ursa g2 will be to big and too heavy, my pocket 4K is great but this time I need IBIS as hell. Any ideas? Thanks!
I would pick a S1 (and I will), mainly for the VLOG, ergonomics and pixel shift. Since you already have a Gh5, you are already familiar with panasonic bodies and you can use on both camera the small audio interface with XLR inputs.
Also, what about lenses? You say the Ursa is too big and heavy, so you want to go light. Are you going to keep your Gh5? If yes and you want to go with native mount lenses, you will have a lot of gear to carry around (and money to invest). If you go with adatped lenses, I would pick a S1 also in this case since you bypass the main criticism on this camera, which is AF in video but retain the other advantages versus the Z6.
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9 hours ago, Cliff Totten said:
Why do camera companies HATE admitting they are buying common Sony sensors for their cameras? Is it really THAT embarassing?
Probably because the sensor is considered by the general opinion as the very heart of a camera. And nobody wants to say that the core of his project is made by somebody else
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7 hours ago, Video Hummus said:
I wish HDMI never became the standard connection of choice for external output on prosumer cameras. Audio is almost always recorded on a dedicated device through either XLR or 3.5mm audio jack. What was wrong with BNC SDI? Please don't tell me it was because of HDCP ?
Probably it's the same thing you find in many other fields. For example I have a Ford Fiesta utility car. My father has a Volvo station wagon which costs new about 2-3 times as much. In my car for example, the doors have some kind of a shitty plastic handle which has an even shittier plastic pivot inside which on avarage breaks off about once every 3 years, making the door impossible to open. In my father's car the door is made only in metal and never broke. Now what's the difference in the manufacture cost of a plastic handle versus a metal handle? Probably 2 euro? Which in a 15000 euro car is absolutely nothing, but anyway in utility cars you find shitty plastic handles.
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20 hours ago, Lars Steenhoff said:
Filmed on S1 with v-log at 4k 60p on Ninja v.
Did you record in prores also?
Prores + Vlog seems a winning combo
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Yes, I was considering this option too.
11 minutes ago, Geoff_L said:Oh I'm not living too far (near Chambéry) !
Actually until 150 years ago, we would be part of the same country, the great and glorious Kingdom of Piedmont-Sardinia!
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1 hour ago, Geoff_L said:
Panasonic rebates are presented here : http://blog-gh4-france.over-blog.com/2019/06/offres-sur-gh5-et-s1.html
It is officially a "trade in" (not sure if it is the correct expression...) Panasonic offer, but some shops translate this as direct rebates. For example, on the above blog (a French guy sponsored buy Panasonic), there is a code to use in a shop (the guy is a partner of the shop) to obtain 300€ for S1 + 24-105, plus a second code for a free battery !
There is a "Eng" button on the shop's website, but it doesn't work ahah. I you are in Europe, you can contact them by email to check if they offer international delivery.Merci! I am from Italy, on the other side of the border of Briançon. Here we have a similar "trade in" offer from Panasonic, but unfortunately the VLOG update is not free
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2 hours ago, Geoff_L said:
300€ immediately off, 1 free battery (90€ worth), and the 200€ worth offered VLOG upgrade finished my efforts to resist...
OK, now I have to sell a lot of stuff ahah !I see you list the price in euro. Where did you find such good deal?
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Once in China I met a Tibetan guy who told me the following:
In China there are 4 categories of products: the best quality ones go to the government and the military, then there are the things that go to you Western people (he was talking to me), then the things that go to the Chinese and general export and finally the lowest quality things that go to Tibetans, Uygurs, Mongols
Panasonic S1H review / hands-on - a true 6K full frame cinema camera
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Leaving aside the field of view and lens vignetting differences, the pixel per pixel is simply that, you are recording the individual pixel of the video frame directly with no subsampling involved. I don't know the specs but the 4k FF recording probably comes from a 6K/5,9K readout, so you get better quality/improved color. On the other side, since the pixel/pixel recording would have less processing involved, I assume will be a faster reading, so less rolling shutter. This is my assumption.