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So, in the age where mirrorless is king, Canon's best option for video (not counting their cinema cameras) is a DSLR aimed primarily at sports shooters. You couldn't make this s**t up if you tried.

As others have pointed out by those that have actually watched their initial reviews, they didn't mention overheating. That's right, an R5/R6 review that doesn't mention overheating. Let that sink in.

There's no way you could shoot any of the higher video modes and not experience restrictions. There's no way you could shoot stills and use the camera generally then switch to video modes and not see recording time reductions. 

They were clearly being underhand - they obviously lied and misled potential purchasers. People would have placed pre-orders on the basis of those videos. People spending thousands being deliberatly misled.

Of course then what happens are non-shills start reviewing the camera and naturally mention the overheating. Chris and Jordan are now exposed - they can't not mention now its out in the open and is a big story - hence their later 'reviews' above.

So we can talk about agendas, its pretty clear what dpreviews reviewers agenda are - affiliate revenue first with transparency and end users best interests much lower down the list. It's dpreviews business model and if you can't see that, that's naive.

Ummm... Although I do like Chris and Jordan, their very first review DID NOT mention overheating at all. I reached out to Jordan about this and he stated that they hadn't encountered the overheating during their initial testing and stated they would do a more thorough test of the camera once they had a production unit. This was on July 10th that I wrote to him. (The video from Chris and Jordon on July 9th about the camera did not mention overheating.)

I find it funny and sad that R5 owners have to be worried about Canon's firmware "update" disabling the workarounds users have figured out to make this thing somewhat usable.

Existing petition: https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-cripple-hammer
New survey: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/7PTZCRG 
For consumer action: CanonCustomers@gmail.com
 
 

It works! 15:00 again and the R5 is now recording its second 15 minute run. I am policing the outside and card slot temps, colder than with CFE and RAW, but that should not be a surprise. We'll see whether I am brave and foolish enough to let this abuse carry on for a full hour, we will find out within the hour 😉
162MB/s?? Peak rate? It's 680Mbps, so should be 85MB/s. 47 seconds for a 4GB chunk also give 85MB/s. I need to re-format the cards between runs, because on the first recording start, the R5 gave the card slow error after 10 seconds. I immediately restarted the recording. So let's see. I have two 128GB and one 256GB UHS-II cards that are fast enough for 8K30 IPB.
8 minutes into the second recording on the 256GB microSD everything is fine and dandy still, after the first card slow message. Sandisk 128GB is formatted and ready to go.

After a 6 minute run just now, it gives me 15 minutes again. As I am writing this the R5 is recording a 15 minute run. Will report back in 15 minutes 😉 No, I have two 1TB Integral Ultima CFE cards, and one Sandisk 512GB card. The Integrals run colder by the way. None of those 3 gave me an error or other disappointing behaviour, ever, for over a month now with the R5, a month full of abuse and power interruptions, hats off to those cards, the R5, and you and the others coming up with the FAT32 idea. Thanks a lot!

Still no luck on CFexpress...
My 2 years old 256GB Adata UHS-II V90 275MB/s microSD (with adapter to UHS-II SD size, of course) also works brilliantly in 8K IPB 680Mbps! Below a successful attempt to record 6 minutes of 8K30p, that yielded 6 MP4 files of 47 seconds each and a yet unrecoverable DAT file of around 20 seconds.  Thanks Jn and Horschack!!!

4K 30p FINE All-I works too:
 

I will now try to create a FAT 32 partition on the CFexoress with similar specifications as on the working SD card. Fingers crossed!

IT WORKS!!!
This is with a Sony UHS-II card, R5 recording 8K 23.98p IPB in roughly 680Mbps. I will try some other modes next, but I trust this will work in any mode available on SD. Pity that RAW does not work with this neatest of tricks. You guys are geniuses!
 

No luck with FAT32 on CFexpress, see picture of R5 LCD. Brilliant idea though! Why didn't I think of that?! I will try SD with MP4 next.

Customers like Karolina were deliberatly misled by Canon's marketing. It was sold front and centre as a 'professional' hybrid camera and focused very heavily on the video capabilities.

Yet if you listen to the fan boys it's like none of this ever happened and canon can 'do what they like'. It's pretty disgusting given people have shelled out thousands of their hard earned in good faith. If you dare to point any of this out, as Andrew and others have done, you come under sustained personal attack! The fan boys have a lot to answer for.

I think as a paid customer you trusted them and gave them the benefit of doubt but they ruined that trust and gave you a very expensive subpar product so you have every right as their customer to voice your disappointment at this camera and their overall attitude towards the people who actually keep them in business. You should call up your local Canon dealer and give them a piece of your mind and also write Canon customer service and let them know how you feel about spending close to 5000 euros on a product they marketed for professional usage INCLUDING VIDEO but is completely and utterly broken.

I paid 4900 euros for the camera and expected to be able to shoot at least 4K HQ with it as much as I can when placed preorder. I aknowledged that there could be problems with 8K video, but I was not worried because 4K HQ 10 bit 422 would be fine with me most of the time. And it turns out the cripple timer cripples also the 4K HQ. 

I think apologist attitude "oh yeah Canon has all the right" smells deeply rotten. I don't care what Canon thinks, they have ruined the video capabilities of the expensive camera I purchased and traded my 1DX mark II (which did not overheat even in 4K 60p) to. I expected the new camera to be better than the 1DX mark II in video. And it came with Jesus-specs that would show Sony who is the king of video. Then it turns out, after already paying the camera (had to pay in advance to actually get it), that it has timer that ruins all usable video modes. The low quality pixel binned 4K mode most definitely is not what I traded my 1DX mark II for. Because 1DX mark II was able to do high quality 4K all day long, no C-log, but it had EOSHD-C-log installed which was fine. With this timer, my choices are worse image quality than the camera it replaces or live with the timer I never expected to even exist. Canon has betrayed me as a customer. I am not so rich that it would be indifferent to me as a customer if I get fooled by a manufacturer that sells intentional lemons instead of products they marketed.
Canon has no excuses to treat its customers like this. It is despicable. I have no reason to be kind and with apologist attitude towards Canon and than them for ruining my video shooting experience in contrast to the previous camera I had from them. I did not buy this camera for its 4K low quality mode. I could have bought Sony A7RIV instead, if I wanted a camera with pixel binned low quality video, high dynamic range sensor and high megapixel count for still photography. I bought the Canon instead because I expected it to perform better as a hybrid camera than the Sony A7RIV as it had all the things I had been wishing for: 10 bit video, raw video, full sensor readout, Canon DPAF, eye-AF etc. in the same package. It looked like the perfect camera for me. However, Canon completely ruined the video shooting abilities of this camera to category "not suitable for shooting video", unlike marketed, and unlike what I paid for. 
I will use any hack available to shoot video with my R5. And if Canon "fixes it" in the next firmware releases by removing these hack capabilities, I will never upgrade the firmware.

No, IMO they are just, in their inner deep, simple moral prostitutes. Their living depends of cheap showcase flirting with internet visitors of their shopwindows. Even their idiotic sugary versions of unison quasi friendly calling to you at the beginning of their luring IBIS dance - is echo of prostitute's behavior, of course not at all so honestly open and much more sophisticated vulgar. Look just at that blondе - so much effort to look funny, intimate and close, so much usage of space as (his and his co-prostitutes) smiling brothel.

This whole debarcle has bitten McKinnon hard on the ass.

He's more than happily taken Canon's $ over the years, pushed them heavily and is arguably the most popular Canon YT'er out there - the face of Canon on YT.

Then he complains people are ripping on him about the R5. Err, hello, you heavily promoted it buddy! Even made a video saying he shot a video with the R5 that didn't overheat.

Next he dismisses people raising issues with the R5 that they aren't real content creators. Again, err hello McFly, Andrew Reid, Philip Bloom, Gerald Undone etc etc etc.

Any reputation McKinnon may have had is in tatters.

What really bugs me is when they say some company sent them the product but they are not sponsored and that we will get an honest review. It's like wtf. The whole reason your channel has relevancy is because these companies send you these products early for you to do your 'honest' review which consists of gushing over how awesome the product is except for one little flaw that's not a big deal.
Let's be real, these guys cream all over themselves to exchange emails with companies like Sony and Canon and Apple and Samsung about new product launches and there is no way they can be objective at all regardless of whether they say its sponsored or not. Either they got the product early or they are building their channel up to get the product early. And you can't do that by burning bridges.
So to mediate this conundrum they find themselves in they say they did not send the video to be checked. Doesn't matter. They are psychologically chained to make sure they keep these corporations happy so they can keep getting their emails and possibility of early product reviews.
They keep the video 95% positive and then mention some weak point every one already knows while basically showing a 10 minute commercial of tracking shots of said product.
They then every once in a while pick a product from a smaller company to trash or do a really honest review not concerned with a backlash from that company.
The only exception is when the corporation releases a real stinker of a product and everyone knows which gives them cover to post an 'honest' review.
These people are basically marketing mouthpieces and pretend like they are doing us a service when they are just basically a new cog in an overhyped consumerist economy.

Interesting he went back to 1D X3
But never told us why.
It's as if every video he says "I'M SWITCHING"
Fucking con artist.

Yeah, Peter McKinnon has been real silent on the overheating issue lately.
In fact, he is back to using the 1-DX Mk III as his daily vlog camera, and not an R5 in sight. 
Realistically, since he is paid by Canon, he will never be an impartial reviewer and shouldn't ever be treated as such.
 

The sad fact is that it's easier and cheaper for Canon to fix this problem with more marketing, rather than a recall.
But we customers should remember such ethics and consider whether we want to be giving our money to a company that treats us in this manner.
Peter McKinnon's last video on the EOS R5 was called:
"Filmed this entire EOS R5 Video without it overheating..."
And he's now been silent on the issue for a month, despite all the new revelations.
So whenever somebody comes on here to defend Peter and others like him.
Just remember where their loyalties really lie.
To themselves and to the corporate entities.
It isn't with you.

I'm not sure what will be the outcome of all this Canon overheat issue.

But in any case, it have helped me clearing a lot of so called "opinion leader" / Youtubers and other Facebook group that claim knowing something and analyzing a problem.

I listen people talking about their oven and explain why a R5 take 2 hours to cool down 😂
I have witness someone who never touched the camera and able to do a review, holding another body in their hand..
And when the facts became so obvious, and so their previous statement useless, they just jump to another subject. Their is no correction, excuses or update.

It shows how today's world is driven only by audience and not facts.

When I say that I do not care, I mean that I do not care if they put a limitation in the camera if then they remove it. 
A company is here to make profit. When they "listen" like Fuji and bring you a good feature update, that's not to make you happy or because they are nice guys. Fuji CEO couldn't care less about you, as much as Canon CEO. They do bring that update because they think you are more likely to buy their camera and stay with them if they do it. They do it for your money. 

Stop being blind, camera manufacturers are not charity. They want to make money, and they happen to have different strategies for doing so. Canon strategy is to cripple lower priced camera to have you buy a more expensive one. Fuji strategy is to bring you software update and pretend they listened to you. I agree that Fuji strategy is much better. Yet for my need, the R5 could be a much better tool than any Fuji or Panasonic on the market. At the end of the day is what TOOL do you need, and which company is making that tool. The tool I need today, a hybrid 50/50 photo/video FF camera with 4K60/120 and IBIS and great AF only exists with Canon appart from their soft limitation. They remove the limitation I buy it. they don't remove it I don't buy it. Nobody is walking over me, I am making a choice based on my need. If you don't buy the R5 in case they fix it despite the fact it was the tool you needed just to punish them, you actually roll over yourself. 

Canon need to either have a recall, or put out a firmware update that will correct this huge problem!!! 

well this really is an omnishambles isn't it? It just gets worse with every new article.

If they had just called it a stills camera with spare video modes people may not have cared so much. But marketing it as an 8K RAW beast then having it not work properly for too long (either because of heat or because that would make it too good and cannibalise other sales) is a terrible marketing mis-step.

I can't imagine the meetings they're having...
 

Thanks Andrew for the report. It is incredible that in 2020 anybody could have thought a product launch so stupid. Don't they know iFixit, Roger Cicala from LensRentals?? Do someone really think at Canon they could pull this out??