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@Axel Fair enough. I did say unless you're eager to learn grading. But yes, you can do nice things with simple grades too, nice one for sharing that video.

@Rinad Amir There's no official footage yet. @tomsemiterrific It's hard to say with this new camera, since there's no official samples, but things look like it's going to be great. That said, if you're struggling with grading skills, I don't think this is the camera for you. Unless you're eager to learn grading. From my understanding, it will need a lot of post processing to get the best out of your image, unless you bake in a LUT. While that's the quickest way to use this camera, in my opinion, it defeats the point in using it in the first place.

@Danilo Del Tufo this is his first post about the footage...

The original clip on Vimeo is only 153MB. Shame as it's also handheld, so could have been a great sample of what to expect with rolling shutter and colour/gradeability, but the compression means there's not much it can tell us that we don't already know.

Well, the newer versions come with a license key, which is in the box. In fact, they had a thing I think last year, where you could send them info about your dongle, and they'd send you a new license code. I thought that key might be on the SD cards we have here, but as we've established... it's not. Perhaps it will be by the time the Batcam is sent out? You can download the Studio version off the website too, and you can even instal it, but before it opens, it asks for this key.\ Either way, the result is the same, but I wanted to point out, we won't be getting physical dongles in the P4K box.

Ah ok, well, you can download the Lite version of 15b1 on the website and try opening that? Quick link for anyone who wants it: www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/ Speaking of the website, I just saw that on the Video Assist page, under the 'Work with Professional Software' heading, it says 'Since it comes bundled with DaVinci Resolve Lite......' So @Cinegain is right, and I'll stop looking for that card haha. Here's hoping you have better luck with the studio version if you get the P4K @jonpais What are we nicknaming this camera anyway? BMPCC4K? P4K? Batcam?

I just got into the studio and found the card, but annoyingly the Broadcast cam doesn't come with Resolve. I saw the SD while unpacking and building it up last week, and just assumed it on there. We do also have the video assist, but bought that last year, so I'll look around for the box and hope we still have the Resolve card with that. If I can find it, I'll install, I assume it'll be the same version you have. Hopefully I can then update to 15 easily. Either way, I'll let you know later today. @Federico Res Please share that original file! You get 50gb free on www.mega.nz so it's easy to link.

One from www.kamera-express.nl and the other from www.provideoproducts.nl Interestingly, provideoproducts now include a battery and charger with every pre-order... I hope that one comes first.

I thought just that and spoke to the retailer. Not sure where in Europe you are, but here in Holland there are a few places where you can cancel your pre-order at anytime and get the deposit back. Maybe it's the same where you are? I actually decided to pre-order from 2 different retailers, with the plan to cancel the one which takes the longest to send it to me. If I get 2 cameras in one day, I can just send one back unopened for a full refund... Or, if the wife happens to be away that day, pretend I sent one back

How annoying. I'll check it out for you tomorrow and let you know... If I can find that SD card that is haha.

Well people who bought 12.5 could update to 14 free. Judging by that alone, I'd say they can go to 15. And people who get 15 with this camera or other purchases will be able to go to 16 at least. What version did you get with the video assist? I assume 14, so is it possible to see if you can upgrade to 15 with the same license? If not, I think I have an unused SD card license back at the studio, (came with a production camera we just bought) so I'll have a look tomorrow to see what's possible.

In the past, upgrades have been included in the license. Eg if you had paid for 12.5 you could update to 14 free. I can only imagine they'll continue this trend, but don't really know for sure. Maybe it's good for the next 3 versions or something? At the very least, you'll be able to get a discount on the next version you need to buy. If you do have to rebuy v.16 that would suck, as they seem to be updating it yearly, 14 came out at last year's NAB if I remember correctly. Like I say though, I don't think they'd make you rebuy every version... In short... I don't know.

Right, but that's mounted to the camera in a completely different way, and still doesn't rotate around the camera 180 degrees, the way you'd need the P4K to for vlogging. The hinge goes 90, and then the screen rotates on the other axis to get a front facing screen. (I assume. That's how most camcorder style LCDs work, but I've not used the URSA, so don't know if it's the same) That design wouldn't work on this body. You'd only get a side facing screen. You can shoot round a corner I guess? Would be handy for filming in a car. Maybe to clarify my comment I should have said 'no camera in this design has a 5 inch screen....' Edit: I think its pretty well established that, despite that strangely places second record button, this won't be a good camera for vlogging. I think like Grant said in the release, it's brilliant for one person crews. Especially since you could fit at least 3 with lenses in a backpack when you arrive at a location.

No other camera (edit: of this design shape) has a 5 inch screen. Id imagine for the hinges and joints to be strong enough to support any rotation/articulation would significantly change the design of the camera. Not to mention how easy it would be to then damage the screen once it's flipped out. If you look from the side, the back is on a bit of an angle, which could help with the lower angles. Not perfect, but certainly better than being totally flat. With vlogging, you'd use a pretty wide lens if you're doing handheld at yourself, so as long as you point the lens in your general direction, you'll be in shot. Do that a handful of times and you'll get to know the width of your lens and be able to guess the framing better. Not perfect, but it's certainly doable. @jonpais don't all cameras work better on gimbals and tripods?

Shame the pan you see on the BMP4K in that roundup isn't fast enough to show what the rolling shutter looks like.

Does anyone think you could use the USB C for something other than power and storage? What about say an external sound card with as many xlrs as you like all recorded to a new audio track? That would be great for events or live music shoots. What else could it be used for?

Light bulbs over your head? That sounds like a smart idea...

imagine selling the body only for 999. Or the body and FREE software for 1299 haha

I remember reading that too. But still, sand and grit could clock up the fan that's pulling the air through. Anyway. Point is, this isn't the first camera they've designed with this system, and I'm confident it'll be fine. Maybe it only runs when it has to? Or only if your shooting on the highest settings for over an hour or whatever? I guess like everything else in this camera, we'll just have to wait and see.

The BM production Cam has a similar design. You can see right through from top to bottom of it. I can only assume the other cameras in their catalogue have similar designs. I think it'll be OK. Maybe not in a sandstorm, or very heavy rain, but there will probably be some kind of raincoat available for those situations soon after release.

But if you start including optional extras in this list, then it's going to be endless. In that case the articulating screen isn't a plus just for the GH5S as the others can just use a monitor to achieve the same end.

Great comparisons. You should also add internal 4k50/60p to the Pocket as that's a huge factor for a lot of people's interest. Myself included. Also likeable CEO haha But also maybe add about release times?

What other framerate would you want? The only one between the two, based on a 30p standard would be 90fps, but I've not heard of any camera that does that.

Damn, that sucks. The only reason I preordered was because I made sure 3 or 4 times that the deposit was refundable. If it wasn't I'd have just waited and got it a few weeks/months later. In fact, I did a cheeky one and put in a pre-order at two different stores, both offer refunds on the deposit, so who ever ships it to me first gets my business, the other gets a cancelled order. Worst case, I get 2 on the same day and take one back, unopened for full refund and some lucky shopper can buy one without having to be on a preorder list. Edit: Both stores are listed on Blackmagic's site as authorised dealers, so I know they're legit.

I think they mean the physical appearance of the camera. I quite like it. It looks like Batman's camera. In fact, from now on when I see 'BM' I'm going to read it as Batman.