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3 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

t would definitely help their sales numbers in the US.  As it is, a $6600 Pyxis is going to be a much harder sell than a $7700 UC12K, other than that the Pyxis is so much smaller and lighter.

I'm wondering what the situation is with the UC12K as it is still listed at the original price on BM's website.

Whether that means they have a large amount of existing stock already in the US prior to the tariffs or they are again holding back until the situation is clearer.

If it goes the same way as the PYXIS then its all of a sudden going to be a $10K camera.

The people holding out to get a $7K 12K BM camera will then have to turn to the PYXIS 12K.

Its a complete mess, particularly as it is coinciding with NAB so people are going there to buy a new camera now have no idea what their current budget is going to get them or if they are going to have to up their budget.

Its all relative though, of course, as the impact of the price of 12K Cinema cameras pales into insignificance when the impact of whats going on is measured on things that actually really matter 🙂 

10 hours ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

B&H has adjusted the price back to the original $4995. 

They must be considering that the expected release date is far enough away for sanity to prevail and the additional tariff is removed by the time they are actually available.

Its not beyond the bounds of possibility that BM delay it even beyond the expected date of July for the same reasons.

1 hour ago, ND64 said:

But tariffs apply at import point not at the retail

It’s paid by the importer and then passed directly on to the consumer, though fixed costs such as handling and transport fees after the port of entry mean that the calculation isn’t always a straight addition to the current retail price as those costs don’t include any additional increase.

The original $4995 is now $6595.

If they’d added the whole 34% directly on (which is on top of an existing 20% by the way) then it would be $6693.

The reason for it not being that much is that fixed costs such as US based handling and transportation charges do not carry the tariff.

1 hour ago, ND64 said:

How they calculated that? Is it Made in China? 

They have/had a few different plants in Singapore, Malaysia and China.

The PYXIS amongst other products is made in China.

Of course they might be made in a secret plant in the US and BM are just ramping the price up because it was so well received and they want to make more cash 😂

On a serious note, this is an interesting test case regarding the tariffs as the stated goal of them is to get more American made products to be competitive and the obvious beneficiaries of overseas cinema cameras getting hit would be RED.

If you want what the PYXIS 12K offers then RED don’t really have anything like it so you’d have to go higher up their line.

The price difference even with the tariffs applied to the 12K is so big that you likely couldn’t  be fishing in those waters anyway.

So all that happens is RED don’t sell any more cameras and the end user has $1600 less in his pocket.

If that is enough to not be able to buy it then it hits the retailers too as they will be selling less which means’s lower tax take all round.

12K cinema cameras of course are a cause celebre for us but this will hit a lot more mainstream products in exactly the same way.

RED slashing the KOMODO price last week does look a bit hasty now that the PYXIS 6K has also had a big price increase too.

Of course, RED slashed the price to clear the inventory but even so they could’ve made a lot more money by hanging fire.

The US price has now been updated to incorporate the tariffs.

A $1600 increase then.

If I was in the US, I think I’d be holding off on that pre-order for a while until the presumably inevitable walk back.

8 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Someone somewhere else mentioned that it's the same sensor as is used in the S1H which has autofocus, but not PDAF. 

It is the S5ii as far as I’m aware.

9 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Any BMD didn't say that they were giving their cameras PDAF that I saw - just continuous AF.  It's entirely possible that they're rolling out contrast-based AF across the board.  The fact that Petty said it would only work with L-mount lenses since they give distance information would suggest PDAF, though.

I’ve pulled this from a demo of the new functionality and shows switchable contrast and phase detect in the UI.

Full video is here 

13 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Petty did strongly imply, however, that it would be coming to other cameras in time - he made some comment about how it was really important for large format sensors

Yeah I think it will become clearer what BM’s intentions actually are for the 12K when they are doing demos and interviews at the show itself.

4 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

The fact that they will finally have AF is the icing on the cake.

 

Mmm…In terms of AF, it was only actually stated to be coming for the Cine 6K and then by extension, when that firmware is out of beta, for the PYXIS 6K.

I’m wondering if a misguided conclusion has been leapt to here by me that it will come to the PYXIS 12K.

The other two share the same Sony sensor and it’s one we know to have PDAF capabilities because it’s used in a number of other cameras.

The 12K sensor though is all their own work so I don’t know if it actually does?

1 hour ago, majoraxis said:

I wonder if the Pyxis can use a third party non-electronic mount so that you could have a custom mount machined (if you don't need auto focus and iris contro)l? Looks like all of the Pyxis mounts have electronic contacts.

There’s dumb L mount adapters for most legacy mounts so just use electrical tape over the PYXIS end contacts to be on the safe side.

25 minutes ago, mercer said:

It has the same sensor as the P4K, right?

Yes.

25 minutes ago, mercer said:

How do you like it compared to the original?

I’ve only used it as a studio camera with an ATEM so all I can say is that with a P4K on another ATEM channel they look the same !

I find comparisons between the OG and new Pockets a bit moot as you can get them close enough for jazz visually so at that point it’s all about the rest of the deal.

The new Pocket trounces the OG in every metric bar form factor.

Depending on what you’re doing with a camera on any given day, the form factor of the OG can make all of the rest of the Pocket goodies irrelevant.

25 minutes ago, mercer said:

Did you order a Komodo yet?

The Komodo gave pause for thought over the PYXIS and the new PYXIS has given pause over the Komodo.

You know how that goes.

The bank balance has given pause over all of them though 😂

It remains to be seen what Nikon do as well with a new Cine line too.

The Z mount is a great leveller for me because I can put anything on it.

L mount is OK but the Z mount smokes it really when you’ve hoarded as many lenses in different mounts as I have.

2 minutes ago, mercer said:

I assume you'll be able to navigate the menus through the monitor?

Yes, it’s full control.

I mean it’s not uber cheap but it’s a very convenient non flappy HDMI connected monitor.

For anything outside the studio the Micro 4K is a bit of a bust to be honest but now it’s not.

For people mad enough to also buy that PYXIS 12K it does double duty.

Not that I’m mad enough to buy the new PYXIS 12K of course….

If it doesn’t burst into flames or require a portable power station, that PYXIS 12K is going to be a huge winner for them.

The fact that they will finally have AF is the icing on the cake.

1 minute ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Party time for you!

Being a diva, I’m still annoyed about the Bluetooth not being switched on !

I’m going to get that monitor ASAP.

On 4/2/2025 at 12:21 PM, BTM_Pix said:

I’m hopeful that they have a firmware upgrade for the Micro Studio 4K G2 that allows the use of the USB-C monitor they make for the PYXIS.

Well I did ask !

That is great news that they’ve done that.

Autofocus!

Here we are in hour three then and no end in sight.

Grant will have to be helped off stage like James Brown by the time this is over.
 

4 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Your fish looks a bit poshed up.

Is your local one of those ‘artisan chippies’?

Our chippy is so posh it was beloved by royalty.

2 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

They also mentioned earlier that Resolve 20 will be announced.  I'm really hoping that they are finally breaking down and adding ProRes RAW now that it's not "that Atomos thing" and instead, it's "That DJI and Panasonic natively in camera" thing.

You would think so with them all being part of the L Mount alliance but the Atomos animosity runs deep.

He’s taking the piss now, doesn’t he know what Friday at 5.30pm means in the UK?

I need to be in that queue in the chip shop in the next half an hour at the latest.

9 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

I've watched a number of their NAB streams in the past and I don't remember any of them having this much time dedicated to various forms of video switcher.

Broadcast is his true love so he’s moved it up to take precedence in recent launches.

For anyone waiting for the cameras it’s like having to sit through ninety minutes of Sting doing his tantric lute albums before he throws everyone a bone with a Police medley in the encore.

The reach around demo method he uses makes the whole thing painful to watch as well.

I think they could’ve shaved 15 minutes off by having shorter product names.

We will definitely be cruising into hour two with the demo of this new ATEM.

All the PYXIS anticipants sitting through the initial hour long broadcast products part of the presentation like this.

It’s going to be like prohibition all over again.

The new B&H Photo branch will be a speakeasy selling smuggled camera bodies from Canada.

By the by, that EF-S 18-135mm and PZ E-1 combo is a pretty good and cost effective used combo for anyone looking to do a roll your own Cinecorder solution.

This looks like the Canon PZ E-1 power zoom adapter to me.

This is designed to be used with the Canon EF-S 18-135mm lens.

Obviously it’s no surprise that there is an EF mount of this new PYXIS but the curiosity is them choosing that APS-C combo to illustrate it.

Particularly as the PZ E-1 has been discontinued for quite a long while now too.