Alex Uzan

I had to work until last year on many NLE for brodcasting, including Premiere, Edius, AMC, and many others. All I can say is that Premiere was the most unreliable in any situations. 

Of course, it doesn’t really matter for personal works, but even for that, I switched anyway to Resolve, honestly the best at the moment.

Why Premiere became so popular is not really a secret. 

1) Easy to crack = lot of web ressources = easy to hire someone who can use it

2) kinda cheap unlike Avid or media 100 solutions =great for small labs

3) It was here when Apple ditched FCP7.

4) Adobe has some best apps for creative work, it helps to believe that Premiere is good (until you use it, or something else)

But since Resolve 14, a lot of people moved away. And its the same with Lightroom and C1.

5 hours ago, austinchimp said:

Lovely example of the out of camera colour. Personally I much prefer the natural look to the LUTs which have been thrown onto the footage. I'm sick of seeing M31 and Deluts personally. It makes all cameras look the same, which is perhaps the point.

The ease with which you can obtain a pleasing, cinematic yet naturalistic look is what separates the men from the boys, in my personal opinion. It's why we all love Canon colours, Alexa, Blackmagic, and now Fuji.

Nice colors, but I feel I’ve watched this kinda video a thousand times.

Slomo, trees, foot steps, tilt to the sky. Always those same shots over and over.

Our last video made with the X-T3 + 35f2

The color grade is not perfect, but sharpness, DR, and Motion cadence are really great.

Our last video made with the X-T3 + 35f2

The color grade is not perfect, but sharpness, DR, and Motion cadence are really great.

Finally !

Thanks Andrew, your first impression were very interesting to read.

I can’t wait for your final review ?

Transition sounds. That is really annoying ?

43 minutes ago, DanielVranic said:

Good Lord it's non-existent in comparison to the 6500.!!!!

It's there, but not dramatic.
You can see a lot of jitters here, because of no IS.

Far better.
But the 6300 is the worst I know ?

You can see by yourself here :

22 minutes ago, DanielVranic said:

Old Canon C100 with Rokinon Cine lenses, and sold old JVC ENG camera I can not remember the name of it. I do remember neither was stabilized internally but we had Ronins and Monopods for everything

That's big stuff.
Try light bodies handheld with no IS ?

Just now, DanielVranic said:

Which is ok w me, as up until my last camera, I never had IS, so I am used to it.

Wich camera and lenses have you been used ?

25 minutes ago, DanielVranic said:

IS isnt huge for me, I use a Ronin or a monopod for all my shots

For professional us, of course.
But it's not about work everytime ?

6 minutes ago, Robin said:

I honestly don't get the small camera thing. I think the xh1 is small, I have an XT3 too which I love but the palm of my hand gets a bit crampy after a while holding it with a weird crab claw zoidberg grip it makes me use. Xh1 use all day no problem with my human hands

It's not jut about the small camera thing, but ergonomics as well.
I bought the XT3 because I prefered it's ergonomics compared to the A7III.
But not for the X-H1.
Maybe it's a size thing after all ?

7 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Just my opinion about focal lengths, in APS-C sensors I consider the 16mm as a must (18mm translates to 28-30mm). Wide enough for wide shots, and tele enough for short portraits (77-80mm is close enough to classic 85mm prime lenses).

The 18-55 is 2.8-4f and the 16-55 has no IS. This is a huge disadvantage of the whole system, no real workhorse.

There is always something with fuji lenses ?
f2 prime are great, WR, and have quite amooth AF transition (not perfect unfortunately), but no IS.
With the XT3, it's not good. for video.

And I don't want a X-H1 since it's the same size as my A7iii, and doesn't have the same feeling in hand than the XT3.

So Andrew should get its Pocket4K today or tomorrow.
I can't wait to see what he has to say this new camera, since I can't stand anymore almost all those YT reviewers which (deliberatly ?) forget to mention flaws or good things.

A really nice video about Fuji and Sony lenses, in relation of my previous post.

Don't stop when he says 1.8 are for amateurs. It's a joke to demonstrate its subject.

From Cinema5D

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Actually, we got a lot better DR results on ProRes with this camera as opposed to RAW. We reached out to Blackmagic Design for an explanation and received a satisfying answer, and Gunther even had a few calls with them about this to explain.

QUESTION by Gunther to Blackmagic Design:

We have recently tested the BMPCC4K dynamic range using a Xyla DSC labs 21 transmissive chart, and we stumbled across a strange behaviour of the camera:

- we tested in ProRes 4K DCI 25p and got 11.6 stops for a signal to noise ratio of 2, and 12.7 stops for a signal to noise ratio of 1 at ISO 400 (10.5 and 11.8 stops for ISO3200)

- when we tested the same DCI 4K 25p RAW (1:1) we found that the dynamic range reading was lower (by about a half stop). Only when we selected the "highlight recovery" option in DaVinci Resolve and then exported frame grabs into IMATEST we got similar results to ProRes.

This is a bit strange, because we tested also the old Pocket Cinema Camera and it had the same dynamic range reading in ProRes and RAW - and when we enabled the "highlight recovery" option in Resolve, we actually got about 0.6 stops higher DR in RAW that with ProRes.

How come that the DR of the new Pocket 4K is lower in RAW, and only matched ProRes when "highlight recovery" is selected in Resolve? Is ProRes doing this HL recovery automatically?

ANSWER from Blackmagic Design, Andy Buckland:

The Pocket Cinema Camera 4K uses our new demosaic algorithm developed with Blackmagic RAW, before encoding to ProRes. This new algorithm helps to reduce noise and improve the dynamic range in ProRes capture. With Cinema DNG RAW, the demosaic is still performed in DaVinci Resolve. That enables full control and manipulation over debayer settings, noise reduction, and highlight recovery to increase the dynamic range measurement beyond that of ProRes.

By applying minimal temporal noise reduction to the Cinema DNG RAW files in DaVinci Resolve - the lower steps on the waveform can be cleaned up nicely, bringing the available dynamic range of RAW in line with those seen in your ProRes tests. Then by enabling highlight recovery, the available dynamic range in Cinema DNG RAW increases beyond that of ProRes. ProRes users benefit from the new debayer algorithm in terms of dynamic range and reduced noise at capture, resulting in a faster turnaround. RAW users benefit from the full control and manipulation of the image, to decide which parameters they would like to tweak and finesse.

I sent it back, not without regrets I must admit.

But I’m already quite happy with the A7iii for stills, and it was really about video that X-t3 got my interests.

For now I prefer to wait to see how Sony will respond with their next apsc, which if it’s as good as the Fuji on video side, will allow me to use my great ff lenses.

And if it’s not... well... this GAS headache will start over again ?

58 minutes ago, frontfocus said:

you do realize, that the quotes prices are not correct?
There's a cashback at the moment and you get 150€ off each of those lenses. That, on top of streetprices, put them below 800€ each. Personally I think they are great value, since their optical performance is stellar. 

Thos price are correct without the cashback I wasn't aware until you mentioned it.

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6 hours ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

Yes, but f/2.8 - as you said - is same DOF as f/4 on a full frame camera and with a FF camera you can bump up the ISO one stop and have same (or less) noise than the X-T3. Or to put it better, using f/2.8 on an X-T3 doesn't really gain you anything over using f/4 on full frame (we are not taking ergonomics or other things in to account here, just ISO values and DOF).

So it is kind of a wash.

Exactly my point, I was comparing the equivalent dof.
And a faster light on APSC is compensed on FF buy the better ISO performance.

4 hours ago, Inazuma said:

Please note that the Sony is actually missing some equivalent lenses. Like it doesn't have a 35mm f2 to equate the Fuji's 23mm f1.4. And it doesn't have a 24mm f2 to equate the Fuji 16mm f1.4. Nor a 20mm f4 or even f2.8 to equate the Fuji 14mm. It's worth noting also that the Sony 12-24mm f4 isn't much cheaper than the Fuji 8-16

Yes, but some non-equivalent offer outstanding performances.
Like the GM 24f1.4 , the 35f1.4, or any sigma. But true, they're expensive.

58 minutes ago, TurboRat said:

Maybe the 12-35mm f2.8 zoom and test if OIS will work. But if you want to get something cheaper - 12-60mm f3.5 zoom and the 25mm f1.7 prime

Yes the 12-35 seem the lens to have.
I really enjoyed it on my GH5.

I know the question is kinda multianswered?, but do you think a speedbooster is a must have for this pocket ?
I read that's only interesting if you already have aps-c or ff lens.
I don't. But would like obviously a shallow depth of field. 

2 minutes ago, omega1978 said:

why you send back the XT-3 ?

https://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/28042-x-t3-or-pocket-4k/?do=findComment&comment=260649

Since I'm sending back the X-T3, I'm planning to buy one and try it in my work.
I know there is no adapter to mount my Sony lens on it, so any recommandations about which lenses I should get to start ?

1 hour ago, Kisaha said:

@Alex Uzan me too! No worries!

I have 4 hybrid cameras, so I am in the market for a dedicated video camera.

X-T3 is an amazing camera, the target groups of those cameras are very far apart. 

Most of the video professionals in my country are talking about buying one, so I am pretty sure this will be the best selling BM camera.

I find the 3" camera screens unusable anyway, especially under the ultra bright Mediterranean sun, and the boom of the 5" monitor/recording market says a lot.

Actually, as much as I love the X-T3 ergonomics, I'm not sure to keep it.

My biggest issue is the Fuji lens system.
The faster primes are really expensive, and less good that their Sony equivalent, especially for video.

Everyone says Sony Lenses are big and expensive, and you should consider it before to go Fullframe.
I disagree.

The Fuji 56f1.2 is three hundred more than the Sony 85 1.8, and has slower AF, is less sharp open wide, and have less nicer bokeh (sorry for my english)
The 8-16 will cost 2 grands, the 55-140 is at the same price as the Sony 70/200f4
23f1.4 à 850€ - 14f2.8 890€ - 90f2 and 16f1.4 930€

It's very expensive for APS-C lenses, and I could accept their price if they were perfect, but they're not.

So, either I keep the fuji X-T3 but will buy f2 XR lenses only, either I sent it back.
 

16 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said:

1) You can't power the camera through the USB, only charge the battery when the camera is off. there is another power socket to run the camera off the mains or Vmount etc. Powering the camera externally and recording to a USBc drive is not a problem.

2)All the Ursa cameras have even bigger holes on the top and bottom. I've seen them used in the desert to film rhinos. I don't think that will be an issue at all.

3) Only if you want to record uncompressed RAW, I think you can do 4:1. Either way, as soon as Braw hits this cam, that's not an issue anymore.

1) What ? are you sure about that ?

2) Good to know ?

3) Yes, Braw should fix this.

15 hours ago, Kisaha said:

5" monitor/recorder with XLR, usb C recording, equal or better low light performance than most APS-C cameras in the market and on top of that a video camera as a bonus!

You went for the X-T3.

"- Poor battery life (40min is not acceptable)" - Fuji is similar or worst
"- Drop frame in raw 4k60 (!)" - Fuji isn't even close to that, certainly no raw at all
"- No way to use a powerbank and a SSD" - no way to use an SSD on any other camera. Period.
"- No Ibis, and Im ok with that since I have a Gimbal, but with no afc (even a bad one like GH5) it will be painful to use" - Fuji certainly has no IBIS.Zone focus.
"- The design with the hole on top for ventilation scares me a little for durability." - all video cameras have extensive heat management solutions
"- No remote control compatibility with any gimbal (but that could change)" - that will change
"- The 120p crop" - yes, stupid, but in 4 years I have used my hybrid system in 120p just in one project.
"- No tilt screen ( I don't care about fully articully)" - at least it has a 5" display, others too small and dim anyway. I am using SmallHD Focus with everything.

I didn't see your answer, but ok ?
 

Poor battery life (40min is not acceptable)" - Fuji is similar or worst
Similar, not worst. And it's a pity

- Drop frame in raw 4k60 (!)" - Fuji isn't even close to that, certainly no raw at all
That's true, but it's not the main reason I Bought it.
When you ask people about The pocket 4k, it's the 4k60 raw thing that mak them dream.

- No way to use a powerbank and a SSD" - no way to use an SSD on any other camera. Period.
Maybe an USBc adapter with two input could be released

- No Ibis, and Im ok with that since I have a Gimbal, but with no afc (even a bad one like GH5) it will be painful to use" - Fuji certainly has no IBIS.Zone focus.
Yes, but it works well. Not as good as the A7 though.

- The design with the hole on top for ventilation scares me a little for durability." - all video cameras have extensive heat management solutions
Yes, but a big hole on the top ? We need to get more info about this.

- No remote control compatibility with any gimbal (but that could change)" - that will change
Hopefully

- The 120p crop" - yes, stupid, but in 4 years I have used my hybrid system in 120p just in one project.
Ok, but your personnal work is not relevant about this. We all have different need.
And 120p crop x4 is just not acceptable.

- No tilt screen ( I don't care about fully articully)" - at least it has a 5" display, others too small and dim anyway. I am using SmallHD Focus with everything.
Good for you. but you lose all the pocket 4k tactile features. and add wheigt.

Just to clarify, my answers are not about I'm right and you're wrong.
I really enjoy to share thoughts about gear with other gear mates ?

7 hours ago, IronFilm said:

"Except for the fact this camera makes you a cup of coffee in the morning and farts golden fairy dust, what else is interesting?"

I dunno....  colors and great dynamic range seems like two really important things to me! No need to say "Except..." next to that. 

Ok, let's try again ?
Except the colors and the DR 13 stops which both are already really impressive on others cam like the Xt-3 and a7iii, do you see anything else really interesting in this P4k ?

To be fair, I really want to see a true review about it, by Andrew or Chris&Jordan, before give up the idea of buying it.
 

17 minutes ago, wolf33d said:

I have no info on the upcoming Sony APSC, but again I am expecting similar XT3 level of specs and actually if this is not the case (like no 4K60p,..) they should not even bother. 

I agree.
They can do a better camera than the X-T3, since this last one is not really on par about video autofocus (not as good as my a6300 or A7iii)
Flip screen, 4k50p, 10bits 422, Eye AF on video, and I'm in.