Simon Young

Yeah, those aren't hybrid cameras and the intended user isn't here in this forum IMO (maybe the use ones). However, I would like to see a S1ii pitted against an Alexa shooting Arri Log. That would be interesting!
The A9iii is roughly double the price of the S1ii. However, the R5C is not only less expensive than the S1ii, it seems to be more cinema oriented. I still be you'll have moiré with it though. Still, you're dealing with Canon, something I don't want to ever do personally. I think Panasonic, like what they did with their DFD shenanigans, are just hoping processing and software will "fix" moiré.
Personally, I cannot believe, in 2025, we still don't really have AI options to fix it. We can basically make a whole film with only AI, but can't fix moiré in post simply and easily with the push of a button. Go figure.

It is a friendship, just a very transactional one. Only in this case the prostitute is not waiting patiently in Knightsbridge at a fancy bar.
It's me.

I know why moiré and aliasing occurs and of course there are differences but as someone who has had important shots ruined by it and a as someone with a heavy addiction I’ve owned and tested more cameras than what is considered to be sane.
And I can tell you this: a good olpf clearly makes a whole lot of difference both with regards to moiré suppression and the texture of details in the image. Canon R5(c) and the Sony A9iii has stood out to me when it comes to this. The whole A9-series have very good OLPFs and the latest iteration is no exception. Canon usually does well in the cinema department too and the perfect downscaled 8K to 4K and an OLPF is very effective on the R5-series.
 
There is a reason the Sony Venice and the Alexas have dedicated teams who only work on producing the most effective OLPF possible.

What a mess.
And the Z6 III has been out for about a year already. A dollar short and a day late.
The marketing agency working for Panasonic in the UK by the way, emailed me the wrong prices. Indeed, they emailed EVERYONE completely the wrong prices. I had to let them know, and then got a correction a few hours later.

https://www.eoshd.com/news/full-panasonic-s1-ii-and-s1-iie-specs-leak-as-usual-all-18-pages-of-it/
Mediocre is the word...
So it's just an S5 II with a faster sensor then...
A mediocre slightly unergonomic mid-range body that feels and looks like it should cost £1500.
A high-end price £3500
Also very high-end lens pricing
No eND.
No ND of any description.
I also think that the lack of proprietary raw format aka Canon Raw, N-RAW, Redcode, BRAW is holding Panasonic back. Get in there with your own codec my dear. Oh, wait, they didn't buy RED so have lost that game already.
I do have a soft spot for the overall feature-set though...
The wide-aspect ratios in both video (2.4:1) and for stills.
The dual dynamic range modes and anamorphic.
Open gate and stuff.
Real-time LUTs.
But it's in such a badly marketed uninspired package, which is a real shame as I am passionate about Panasonic and their remaining unique features.

That is all well and good but if they don’t offer a better OLPF than the z6iii and still have the gall to charge 1000 euros more then they can burn. And we still don’t know the readout speeds in open gate or with their dynamic range enhancement enabled.
I’m getting more and more convinced that the C80 is the one for me, ticks all the boxes, ugly behemoth of a body with a consumer hating RF-mount nothwitstanding. 6k, decent OLPF, internal raw and a proven 9,5ms readout in all oversampled modes.

or wait untill tomorrow, when its the official release.

Maybe try and understand the negativity, after all we're just doing as you just described... buying and using the cameras and giving our opinion.
I have bought every major Panasonic release for 15 years.
I stopped at the S1R II and gave my opinion.
There's no creative or practical and financial reason to buy another L-mount camera from Panasonic.
My next will be the Sigma BF and I'll probably get the Sony a1 again at some point, as I regret selling it.
There's no room in the bag for a £2500 Sony a7 replica with L-mount.
Had Panasonic used the same strategy in the M43 days, they'd have been bringing out 2x crop DSLRs with moire.

In the old days we had Canon and their leading APS-C sensors, the 60D was class of the field...
 

Now we have Fuji taking pride of place for best APS-C sensors, 40 megapixels and great image processing.
However there's a new country competing in the field, China.
(Although it is really China + Sony joint collab)
Let's see how close the Xiaomi 14 Ultra main 1" sensor gets to the mighty APS-C Fuji X-T50...
I'll leave you to download the original files and draw own conclusions:
Xiaomi DNG (50 megapixel UltraRAW mode): https://drive.google.com/file/d/15Es4s0RhRK1ZWIQL0vMx4WNv4OP2Rx2l/view?usp=share_link
X-T50 RAW (RAF format): https://drive.google.com/file/d/17y31E6PYpYA2RGLjrhB4oTYbF5BsYWUo/view?usp=share_link
Here's a sneak preview crop...
14 Ultra

X-T50

I mean if they use some sort of z6iii sensor with the same sort of read out speed but put a great OLPF in front of it plus Arri logC I’m kind of interested.

I mean if they use some sort of z6iii sensor with the same sort of read out speed but put a great OLPF in front of it plus Arri logC I’m kind of interested.

Latest rumors: two cameras and one is the S1IIE 😑
Introducing the Lumix S1II E – The E stands for everything you didn’t know you needed.
Meet your new creative companion:
The Eeprominator – Built-in memory so loyal, it holds onto your moments like your grandma holds onto your baby photos.
E-Waste Not – Every shot counts. Even that accidental one of your foot? Frame it.
Easter Snap – Hidden features? Secret settings? Surprises await in every menu.
Emoticanon – Shoots in feels-per-second. Guaranteed to hit you right in the heartstrings.
Exploitomatic – It finds the light. It finds the angle. It finds you.
Lumix S1II E – Not just a camera. It’s a character

GH7
 

If the rumor’s true and they’re dropping two new cameras, I’m not even that fussed about how they differ from each other. I just want to know how they plan to make them stand out from the S5II and S5IIX. How are they gonna explain that to customers? Just the 60p crop?
Seriously, how do they expect all these models to survive in a market that’s getting tighter by the minute? And it’s not like they’re Canon, Nikon, or Sony. Beats me, feels like a magic trick at this point.

The latest rumor is they are releasing TWO cameras: S1ii and S1iix - the latter I presume more video oriented. I really hope they use the Z6iii sensor (as speculated) and that the S1iix is a more compact form factor, with no EVF, bigger fan, no IBIS and a thick OLPF.

I have one on the way after looking at the image samples here:
https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_14_ultra-review-2683p5.php
The 75mm F1.8 lens in particular...



Like some of the famous Zeiss Distagons it has a floating element to get close.
With such a fast aperture in combination with the close-focussing abilities make it look incredible.
The 14 Ultra in fact has two such lenses, a 75mm and 120mm.
And the main imager is 1"
Which also in the close-to-mid focus range has a very shallow DOF.

I have lighted tweaked that last one in Pixelmator Pro, the JPEGs have a surprising amount of chonkiness to play with.
Then there's the RAW capabilities...
With Motion Cam Pro there's the RAW Cinema DNG recording.
Within Xiaomi's own camera app is the expert RAW mode for stills, with Leica's colour tuning.
This allows you to completely turn off any noise reduction and sharpening... one of the main caveats of modern smartphones.
I think at £600 used this is the real deal.
The 15 Ultra doesn't change things very much, indeed to go any better would require a big leap.
We're talking at least Micro Four Thirds size sensor instead of 1", and F1.4 maximum aperture.
And to make this pocketable is going to require a lot of physics bending.
There are some other options like the Oppo Find 7 Ultra, and Vivo X100 Pro which have a large 1/1.4" sensor on the telephoto lens, 200MP.
But the lens quality itself is a bit compromised as a result.
The Vivo X100 Pro has the Zeiss modes, Zeiss lens simulations, even RAW video built into the main camera app I believe.
But I find Xiaomi's image processing with Leica to be the best of the bunch.
Looking forward to when it turns up from CEX this weekend with the photography kit which gives it ability to use filters and a proper shutter release button!
I think for street photography requiring stealth, 3 lenses in one pocket and very high speed, this is a better choice than a proper camera, X100 VI or Leica Q. The ultimate shot getter?

I’d rather wait for the Nikon/RED version
https://nikonrumors.com/2025/03/13/new-nikon-z-video-oriented-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-later-this-year-similar-to-the-sony-fx3.aspx/

What makes the Komodo special is the look of global shutter and 16bit raw, but more than this a terrific OLPF. I'm not in the market and agree it's not as convenient as mirrorless setups, so here's hoping that Nikon puts a strong and well engineered OLPF in their upcoming cameras focused on video. I owned both the Z8 and the Z6III, terrific cameras, usable in most situations but plagued by moiré.

I’d rather wait for the Nikon/RED version
https://nikonrumors.com/2025/03/13/new-nikon-z-video-oriented-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-later-this-year-similar-to-the-sony-fx3.aspx/

My latest fun-factor obsession is the Epson R-D1. It's the closet thing to a film-like shooting experience you can get on digital. As far as I know, it is the only digital camera in which you must cock the shutter manually... for sure it is the only digital rangefinder in which you must do so. Seiko made the automotive inspired gauges at the top, which are very fun. To me, it's the full, unapologetic ode to film cameras that Fuji wishes it could do. It's feeling very old at the moment though at 6MP and the images themselves aren't particularly spectacular on their own SOOC.  

At least it won't be 7 years though.

Did I miss something or this new flagship has basically the same specs as my 4yo R5? (4k120, 8k30, 45mpx stills)? 
Does not look very interesting. Even the price, idk, if you can throw $3K in a camera you can probably throw $4K. It's not like this camera is $850. 
Their lenses don't seem great. A 16-35mm F4 for the same weight as my 14-35mm F4? 
The only thing I miss with my R5 is a little more DR from stills. D850 is by far the best full frame in the world for landscape DR, and yet new bodies have poorer DR with their stacked sensors. Appart from that, it's pretty much perfect. 

14bit sensor mode 31ms 8K rolling shutter.
12bit sensor mode 24ms 8K rolling shutter.
The year is 2025.
Canon solved this problem in 2020 (R5) and Sony in 2021 (a1), also Nikon too.
So we now have to assume Panasonic have retreated from the cutting edge or at least are giving the impression that their cameras are underperforming relative to the competition.
This is a flagship camera and it should really be better.
We also now have the partially stacked Z6 III with the very fast readout speeds.
On the overheating side, that's another sign Panasonic have cheaped-out with the less-than cutting edge semiconductor tech inside.
That said, the price is $3000 not $4000 or $6000, right?
But then again... what is the fucking point of this camera.
Is it to make mainstream working pros swoon and dump their Sony a1 or Nikon Z8 and move over to L-mount at the cost of $20k in lenses and a new camera?
Does Panasonic think this is realistic? I don't.
So is the point to make a truly unique "artisan" tool aka Sigma and Leica to capture a niche with a high margin to justify lower volume sales?
No, because then the S1R II wouldn't look like a fucking dumpling or some sort of office tool would it?
So I think it will struggle to attract either a niche customer or a mainstream one, and might even struggle to attract Panasonic's existing customers like me.
I am really lukewarm on it!

Why the hell would you put an OLPF in a photography focused stills camera? Obviously this is geared for photography so is it surprising the video performance isn't what we want for the S1H II ? RS isn’t as big a deal as you seem to make it for the rest of us but whatever. If anything all this does is show me what we might be able to expect from the next model that IS for pro level video. 

More like a carbon copy of the Zeiss ZX1 minus the fixed lens. That camera was a smash hit.