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Happy to see your comparison with other FF in the same price range.... Nikon Z5 😁 ?

R8 has the hybrid hotshoe. Expensive RF lens like the RF 100-400, 600 11, 800 11, 24-105 7.1, 24-240, 16, 24, 35, 50, 85 STM, 24-50, 15-30…. I don’t think people buying an entry level R body will buy 28-70 2.0 or 50 1.2 Yes canon should have included IBIS, a bigger battery, a bigger body and call it R6 II….. boy it cost 1000$ (40%) less it cannot be the same. The Sony a7c cost 300$ more has no dual card neither, max 10fps vs 40, 4k 30 max and with a 1.2 crop at 30, 8bit only, half the res touch screen…. people should get real…

Battery life is a bit short, single card and potential overheating in 4k 60p but imo is a super value for the price. Overall I think is a better value proposition than then R6 II.

R5c does NOT have a slower AF vs R5. If you set both for maximum speed and reaction they are both the same speed tested with the same lens (70-200 and 100-500) going from infinity, mfd, middle back and forth on the same subjects with the same light. R5 is quite faster in AF while NOT recording as it seems to use the photo and not video AF but as soon as you are recording they are basically the same. As I have both I feel the R5c AF more sticky than the R5 in video. R5c AF has less options so you don't have animal, cars AF and the AF "zones" are more limited but you gain face only (I believe R3 and R7 now has that too but R5 not). The biggest drawback imo is that in 4k 100/120 there is no face AF. I hope they will add in a firmware update as the C70 just got it, but in contrast you can record audio at 4k 100/120 and it has a bit better quality on the R5c so I end up using more the R5c for 4k 120 than the R5.

Is by far the cheapest solution but you lose the tripod mount, you can of course mount on top of the cage freeing it up the tripod. I looked at this solution but it looks more fragile than vmount You can even hot swap the power bank as you need to have the lp6e battery…

I have this https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-eos-r5-r5c-r6-black-mamba-camera-cage-3233b.html (there is also this one https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-black-mamba-camera-cage-for-canon-eos-r5-c-3890.html for the R5c version but covers the remote terminal and I need that for remotes ) this smaller one also would work https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-black-mamba-camera-half-cage-cable-clamp-for-canon-eos-r5-r5-c-r6-3656.html And this to mount the battery on top of the cage: https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-mini-v-mount-battery-plate-2987.html The setup is clumsy but very solid. The grip here in CH went down to around 300 euro and you need 3 battery as one comes with the camera so around 600 euro. The R3 you would also need 1 more battery too. The anton bauer is also an option, it is bigger and is heavier at 700g vs 300g of the FXLion Nano One (although if you add the cage ca 300g and the mount were are basically the same) but it does not have USB PD so for me is a no go. The FXLion Nano Two is 98wh and 520g will run for 5-6h. The Nano can be charged with any USB-C charger make it very practical. Would the anton bauer have USB-PD I would have probably gone that route. New there is this option too that Kondor blue offer that would make the anton bauer also PD enabled but the cable seems quite clumsy : https://kondorblue.com/products/16-d-tap-to-usb-c-9v-3a-regulated-blue-braided-straight A small anton bauer base + 9v dummy battery to dtap would be also a great solution but does not exist. If you want to risk you could mount a 45w battery pack on the hotshoe and run the USB-C probably with 100 euro you cover all but for what I do is way too risky. As you can see I did a lot of research, my solution works for me but is not great. I still feel that a battery grip is the best option if no use of 8k 50/60. You can research a bit and some people have good luck with non oem LPE6 that are cheaper than the original.

The LPN6NH would give you around 50 min of continuous recording or 60 min standby and this is the real issue. No matter what it chews battery, one trick is that if you hit play then it does not chew battery in standby. Two LPE6NH in the battery grip it will give you around 100+ min continuous recording. So for 4-5h you probably need at least 4 LPE6NH battery. If you don't care about 8k 50/60 one solution is kondor blue dummy battery https://kondorblue.com/products/d-tap-to-canon-lpe6-dummy-battery-cable and if you have V Mount battery already you are set to go. A FXLion Nano One (one of the smaller V Mount battery around) gives me around 3h or recording a normal V Mount probably 6h+. The advantage of the dummy battery you don't risk to break any ports. I use this setup but with the FXLion that has a USB-C port too so when I use 8k 50/60 I simply plug the USB-C cable. USB-C you need a power bank that is 45w and there are now very common and quite cheap, smallrig has some mounting solutions https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-holder-for-portable-power-banks-bub2336.html . The big issue is the fragility of the USB-C port so either you use the supplied cable protector (piece of crap) or at least an half cage and the small rig cable protector (more solid + you can have a full HDMI too). A 45w power bank will also charge the batteries while plugged in to the camera. Bottom-line the more elegant solution is the battery grip, no need for a cage, no dangling cables, no ports to be broken. But no 8k50/60. So my solution is no LPE6 at all, cage + dummy battery + FX Lion One Nano + USB C when needed. But ugly and expensive... I wish they would do a battery grip that would supply enough power for 8k 50/60 then all this frankenmonster would be over...

R5c 4k60 is oversampled from 8k so same quality as the 4k 30HQ. Yes R3 has only RAW in 6k while R5c and R5 have also 8k h265. But RAW in general is easier to edit but it really depends on the software and the machine, of course it takes more storage. R5 4k 60 and 120 are not the best in class but I do agree with @herein2020 that are more than usable. As pointed out by herein2020 R5 does not have the new hotshoe so you cannot use the Tascam xlr thingy.... not sure is a topic for you or not.

From my time with the 1Dx II and 1Dx III I would say no, it does not really help that much the grip. And you can always use the grip on a R5 but is a pita on gimbals and imo does not help that much... For vertical then is a another story but with R5 8k why would you shot vertical instead of just cropping as you have even more room to reframe? I'm not sure that the video improvements of the R3 are worth the 1.5k euro difference vs R5..... if you plan to use a lot 6k RAW 50/60 then yes if not then imo is an overpriced R6 II....

@Django both are very good cameras with each some drawbacks. For video my A cam is the R5c and B cam is the R5. Any framerate above 30fps the R5c is sharper and 120 you can record audio on an SD. So for my usage is better as I shot a lot in 8k 50 and slow mo. XAVC, S35 RAW, Waveform, Peeking during AF, and face only AF, unlimited recording, being the other keys advantage of the R5c On IBIS, in my experience it is super valuable between 30mm and 100mm but not good below 30mm and not really useful and sometime bad above 100mm. Here is the catch, as you cannot disable IBIS and keep IS on, the R5c with a wide angle IS lens is better than the R5 no wobble but you get IS. As I already posted with the 100-500, that I use a lot handled for video, I get better results in the R5c than the R5 as on the R5 sometime in fast pans it jumps and I think it is the IBIS. I use quite a bit a gimbal for tracking shoot and there having IS but no IBIS at 24mm it creates a more stable picture, no wobble but yet IS helps with the small jitters. Bottomline if you use a lot 35, 50, 85 primes then the R5 IBIS is super valuable for the reset especially with IS lenses in my experience is counterproductive. This scene would not work with IBIS due to wobble, but IS helps on the gimbal with the vibrations, so R5c wins in this situations: This one is handled with 100-500 on the R5c so only IS: Battery is the biggest issue of the R5c, the grip solves it but is expensive and no support of 8k RAW 50/60, the alternative also expensive is half or full cage, smallrig small v mount plate and FXLION Nano One + kondorblue dummy battery (I use the USB-C cable when I do 8K RAW 50/60). But it makes the overall setup bulky and cumbersome the only good thing is that with two battery you basically go all day. So yes R5c battery sucks big time Due to this the TCO of the R5c is more expensive than R5 and you really cannot use just 1 internal battery… On the lag I really don’t see the problem, here a sequence of photos at 20fps all perfectly sharp and I could follow the player easily on the EVF, on my 1DX III I was not getting a 100% ratio in a sequence like this and less frames too: On the R3 I think is overpriced for what it is and I’m not going back to 20-24 mpix, I so much easy to be a bel to crop a bit so I can leave some safety room. Why not buying a used R5 you can use it for a few months and see if it is perfect for your usage or not. If not you probably sell it for just a few euro less of what you paid? R5c used are quite rare....

I did finally edit a first version of the SA video. Canon R5c, DJI RS3 Pro, RF 70-200 2.8, RF 100-500, RF 400 2.8, EF 24-70 2.8. All shoot 8K RAW 50fps other than the Cheetahs running that are at 4k 100fps.

Only the leopard at iso 16'000 has NR applied, mostly chroma noise reduction. All the others have zero NR applied. RAW is more noisy and rightly so as most camera apply NR to 10bit Log, RAW should have none (I think a bit is there anyway but not sure). Imo this is great as you can fine tune the NR that you need, you can even go fancy and apply NR to only specific area or color range. If you open a R5 RAW picture in LR you will see that by default it apply color noise reduction, so some NR on RAW is needed even for photos. Although imo a well exposed ISO 800 (base iso) RAW video does not need any NR. Not knowing the settings and what was done in post out of the RAW of the video that you posted is impossible to judge imo. In general I find it better to expose to the right with Canon RAW and lower the black in post than raising the shadow.

Digital IS is available in all modes other than RAW. 8k 50/60 is RAW only. 8k 24-30 MP4 supports Digital IS, 4k 100/120 also.

OIS is always on and it helps on the gimbal with the mini vibration of the jeep One more with a more complex movement with the jeep this one with pre-focusd and then AF locked, 8K 50 RAW 1/100 slow down 2x, gimbal 70-200

One simpler scenario for AF, R5c on gimbal handheld on the vehicle moving, 70-200 at 2.8, 8K RAW 50fps slowed down 2x.

25 fps, only lens IS, lens Canon RF 400 2.8 IS (rented). I don't use EIS as I'm RAW only other than when I need 120fps that I need to use 10bit log. On long lenses 70-200, 100-500 and 400 in my experience IS works better than IS+IBIS, and as you cannot turn off IBIS and keep IS on the R5 I always use the R5c for long lens work especially handled.

I was also very surprised how well it managed this tricky situation. Overall AF is quite reliable but is not always perfect. This is example when it lost it in the easiest phase but the condition where really challenging. R5c 8K RAW 1/50 ISO 16'000 (yes not a typo ISO 16k) 400mm 2.8, AF tracking, on a bean bag, it was basically night and my driver did not believe I could film in that light. The beginning is out of focus until I could select the young leopard face, at 0.19 is when the camera loses him.

The two quick fixes that they should do is offering a battery grip that allows 8k 50/60 basically solving the battery issue and re-enable video in photo mode (why not give user the choice? They could even have a custom function that you can enable and disable video mode in photo). If you don't use 8k50/60 the battery grip makes it more useable, I use mine a lot in 8k 50 RAW so I have the V-Mount battery with USB-PD mounted over the cage. Not great but the only other camera than can do 8k RAW 50/60 is the Nikon Z9 or REDs... But we are really off topic this should belong on the R5c thread and not the R6 II one.

R5c RF 100-500 handled, Center area AF (large) max speed and responsiveness, 4k 100 fps (conformed to 25fps), Log3, unedited just Canon LUT applied. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM1djr8LbBM

I used in mine on snow, rain and Africa outside on a jeep in a very sandy environment never had any issue. The battery I fully agree is pita.

R5 and R5c have exactly the same weather sealing and same rating.

around 15ms same as 24-30p, 8ms 120p the above chart is misleading as it seems for photo not video, r3 is 9.9 in ff 24-60

At this point cinematic = is not a still picture 😂😂

At the moment it seems a huge list 🙂: https://cam.start.canon/en/H001/supplement_0160.html

Mirrorless will always have some latency as the sensor needs to be read so some ms goes there then image need to be processed, then displayed compared to a glass only that is the OVF. Now is the R5 worst than others? There is a video on YouTube that compares the latency of Sony A1 vs R5 and both have around of 250ms total latency with the R5 20ms more mostly due to the shutter lag imo (be aware that there is the human latency too in that test). Now compared to the only mechanical one of the 5D IV that is 83ms + human latency you will notice but both would need some anticipation anyway. My point is that as being constant this latency your brain will get used to it and notice less or none. In addition, with mirrorless, other than strobe situation, you can take 20, 30 or even 40 fps now getting much more chances to get the perfect timing. Drones with digital transmission have the same issue and yet people can maneuver them in incredibly challenging situation mostly due to getting used and anticipate. Assuming that your R5 was configured correctly you will get very similar latency with R3, A1 or R7.