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In the last two weeks I did film two horse show jumping events including the international one with most of the top riders in the world. I also covered a track and field event with some Olympics athletes in not great lighting, I was there for photos, but I did play a bit on the B competition with some slow motion. The good: Battery life is quite ok (no grip), much better than R5c and it does not burn battery while not recording, I could keep my camera on while not filming. As I film a lot in 8k 50 RAW is a liberation to not need a cage + external battery + cables.... my only big complain about the R5c. I find it a bit easier to expose with Clog2 than 3, I get less noisy shadow and better highlight, it seems to have a bit better DR. I was filming with both R5c and R5 II at the same time and the R5 II seems to show a tad better DR. Is not world changing but is noticeable. AF is imo a big step forward for action/sports compared to R5c and R5. The fact that you can draw the area where you want to find faces and the way it tracks head looking forward, backwards and with helmets is quite amazing. It has the same feature and behavior in all modes/frame rates. C1-C3 presets super useful, I'm missing this so much on the R5c. Super quick to change from 8k RAW 50, 4k 10bit 100fps and 2k 10bit 200fps and back. 2k 200/240 in CLog2 with full AF is insane, nothing available that I'm aware close at this price.... quality is ok but more than usable imo. If you use a high shutter speed, you can easily use Resolve Motion Estimation to interpolate to 480fps. My athletes were super impressed by the image that they got. Did not have any overheating issue but horse show jumping is always 1-2 min recording and 1-2 min waiting, and I don't film all the athletes but only the ones from the 3 teams that I cover so is not really a taxing scenario. Is fully compatible with RS3Pro and Raveneye, I can start stop and change settings via the DJI Ronin app. R5c is partially compatible, I can start stop but cannot change settings. It has a tad faster RS at 8k 50 and is noticeable on panning that there is a bit less leaning of the obstacle's posts. The bad: Waveform cannot be resized, and you cannot assign a button for turning it on or off, even more funny is that you cannot add the menu item to mymenu... seems a last-minute addition that is unfinished. At least it does the job but once I have set the exposure it annoys me as I want to focus on tracking well the athlete. I had two lookups 😞 while starting to film at 200fps, it did not happen (yet) in any other mode, I had to pull the battery. Funny enough I had also a lookup with the R5c while stopping a recording, fortunately I did not lose the file. Bad day? The two at 200fps seems too much but let see. Not a big issue but the formats menu is a mess imo. Too many choices easy to mess it up. I prepare beofre the event my C1-C3 and never touch that messy menu. Some slow motion examples, again tons of aliasing and a bit soft but what else give you good DR, full AF, at this fps in an affordable price? No1 in the world at 240fps and interpolated at 480fps (sorry I left the audio track in 😞 Detail at 400fps interpolated (sorry I left the audio track in 😞 Track and Field 200fps It can also take picture, at 30fps you can get a bit better timing, and it has better RS but not sure is worthed over the R5 for photo only:

Yes I did watch it, and a studio-controlled example with no info on what he did to the image is for me is not super useful comparison. Btw I tent to not look at YT comparisons anymore... most they never represent my usage and mostly are optimized to make something looks better. In my usage (never studio or static setup) Osmo is better. I find that has soon as the light is not perfect iPhone footage breaks a part very quickly, I did a rely nice shoot in Alaska and it took me 1h of tweaking to kind of get something usable out: Is great that on the 16 they improved the wide angle as in my 15 is not really good: iPhone is impressive for what it is but all this BS that compares it to mirrorless, RED, etc.... in my usage it does not even compare favorably with the Osmo Pocket 3 other than in perfect condition. I have R5 II, R5c, Osmo Pocket 3, Insta GO 3s and X4 and the iPhone is the one that I like the least (of course quality is better than the GO3s and the X4), do I use it a lot? Yes, due to connivence and also the 5x tele (even worst quality but great backup solution when mounted on top of my main camera).

I have both and use both a lot at the same time... and the quality of Osmo is noticeable better. The iPhone image breaks a part sooner and is more cocked/fake imo. Today I did use both as C and D camera and Osmo wins in quality. I use both in their "Log" but no ProRes as is a pita.

There is not an equivalent for iPhone, an option would be one of this suction one but not sure how good it is. As the MIMO app can already control the pocket gimbal and the Ronin App has the gyro logic it would be a week max for DJI to code and test this feature. I dropped a couple of comments in the official dji forum a few months ago... not holding my breath...

They should make a pro version with dual lens and aperture control! I used to have a Phantom 4 Pro that had 1inch with aperture control and it was amazing not sure why they dropped aperture. Touch could be a bit better, the need of an adapter for tripod is also not great and they should add a gimbal lock mechanism. My biggest grip with the pocket 3 is the lack of phone gimbal control using gyros.... the virtual joystick is super bad... I can place the pocket 3 in placed that no big camera would be allowed but controlling it via virtual joystick is not good. All the Ronin have this feature not sure why they did not implement it on the mimo app...

Mine overheats in 4k 25 and 50fps 10bit log h265 internal, no attached storage. It is a phone and can do already miracles but quality and usability is still far off a Mirrorless, yet you can use it everywhere and is very convenient. Osmo Pocket 3 has imo quite a bit better image quality and dji log can take more post processing.

On the overheating I would not be so sure. My iPhone 15 Pro Max overheats like crazy, I cannot let the phone in the sun turned off for 15min (pre event) and then record, while my R5 in 8K Raw has no problem. The phone is mounted on top of the R5 so exactly the same time, position, temperature....

Indeed, as Gopro is nowhere to be seen, it is great that Insta360 has competition so they will further improve and invest in the 360 space.

I like Dji products and Dji Neo is a cool idea but this time with a terrible camera, calling that a 4k camera it is dishonesty, it looks worse than Insta360 X2 reframed.... max 720p.... They should have made it a 350 USD and put the Mini 2 camera or similar...

The best variND is a set of NDs. I gave up on vND as soon as you use them near or at full strength especially outside you get the X issue. At the end playing with iso/aperture ruin less the shoot than vND as the X is unfixable in post.

Both R5c and R5 II have S35 or APS-C modes but the R5 II is more limited. Both is one menu item, in the R5c you can have it as a button on the R5 II I did not check. R5c can do RAW in cropped mode around 5.9k up to 60, plus it can do S16 at 2.9k also RAW (I believe it can do this 2.9k RAW 120). R5 II can do 4k (oversampled from around 5.1k) up to 60fps and 2k up to 120 fps. I don't use any as I prefer to crop from 8k as it gives me more freedom and I don't have any S35 lens but for sure for some it may be a very important point.

RF 100-300 at 2.8 I need to practice a bit, this weekend I will film a local event as additional test, but from next week for 4 days there is the biggest international event that I cover, and I don't want to do experiment there. So, camera arrived just in time. Hockey season starts and the pro team that I cover will soon start the championship, curious to see the AF there as it is also quite challenging. To launch the season, we wanted to do some high fps slow motion of their top players while shooting onetimers with studio lights, I was looking in renting an Freefly Ember for this, but the super noisy sensor and no AF scares me. I will do some test now with the R5 II at 240fps to see if the effect is good enough as I can then skate with a gimbal and add movement to it at 2.0 with AF so I need way less light.... I did a few years ago at 120fps with the normal stadium light was good but not wow, at 240 plus studio lights may add a bit the wow effect. I'm accredited to these events so I can bring whatever I want, this helps.

In preparation of the next two weeks of Horse Showjumping Events I went to test out the AF and the 200fps. Both R5 and R5c struggle a lot to keep the rider in focus when filming at field level due to all the obstacle coming in front of the subject. R5 struggles to face AF on people wearing helmets, R5c has helmet support and is surprisingly a tad better, none of the two you can define a custom Area where it searches for faces/helmet, R3 has it. R5 II has now this custom area with face tracking that seems to work much better in this extreme scenario: These 3 examples (same run) R5 and R5c would have lost AF at least 2 out 3 cases Still surprised by 2k 200fps quality, yes is not super detailed, yes it has stong aliasing but on the market there not much with good DR, good AF that can do 240fps...

They really innovate NOT, so underwhelming …

Yes good points. Q&S that is the only way to use 24p without reformatting the card if you change from 25,50 (I never understood this one). Also allow you to use 48fps. Shutter angle would be very useful indeed if it would be easier to switch fps and formats. As written above going from 8k 24/25/50 RAW to 4k 120 10 bit needs a few menu clicks.... in the R5 and R5 II I store it already with the right shutter speed in C1 and C2.... they really need to add memory banks in Cinema OS. Only use that I would see for me is 1/48 instead of 1/50 for 24p Anamorphic desqueeze, unfortunately not open gate. Custom LUT are supported in the R5 II too: https://cam.start.canon/tc/C017/manual/html/UG-03_Shooting-2_0130.html Forgot this one too max shutter speed is max 1/2000 on the R5c vs 1/8000 on R5/II this is something that I use for remote camera as I stopped using triggers and try to get the right timing, I just film 8k RAW with high shutter speed and select the frame after.

From what I could see so far (1 week of usage) R5 II vs R5 advantages: 8k 60 SRAW 2k 240 Audio in 120fps and 240fps Better rolling shutter Better DR, CLog2 Better AF (I need to test more) Better overheating resistance 6h recording limit Better IBIS (I need to do some more tests) Waveform 4 channel audio USB-C iOS support allows you to use an iPhone as monitor with the App with almost no latency. Does not work in video playback. App UI is a bit crap and does not take full advantage of the iPhone screen size Full HDMI disadvantages: Price, especially vs used R5 Needs new battery R5 II vs R5c advantages: 8k 60 RAW with internal battery SRAW 2k 240 Better DR, CLog2 Audio on the same file for 120fps More than double battery life, no need of external battery or battery grip. IBIS (still need to check more for the wobble). Better and much more customizable AF, all features available in all res and frame rate. WiFi USB-C iOS support allows you to use an iPhone as monitor with the App with almost no latency. Does not work in video playback. App UI is a bit crap and does not take full advantage of the iPhone screen size Quicker way to delete video files When playing back it has the view assistant LUT applied, why why and one more why the R5c cannot do this. Is so bad to show clients dull videos.... C1-C3 memory, super easy to switch between 8k 50 RAW to 4k 120 10 bit. You can also switch from PAL to NTSC with the C memory. On the R5c is a pita changing from 8k 50 RAW to 4k 120 10 bit, many menus and for PAL to NTSC is a reboot. Switching video to photo and back is instantaneous, although it really never bothered me the R5c Full HDMI A bit smaller body disadvantages: Price No crop RAW No 4k 60 oversampled Less customization, cannot really decide what you want on the screen, hdmi, evf Less proxy choices, for 8k RAW just one as is 2k. Overheats vs no overheats Waveform is a single size and there is no way to assign a button to show it or not. R5c has two sizes plus button assignable. Seems a last-minute addition this waveform. Peaking is available only in MF. I like a lot to have Peeking on also in AF so I can easily see if the subject is really in focus, or the AF did not pick it up. False colors works only with view assist (709 LUT) disabled. I like the cinema menus better, they seem more logically organized. The R5 II res/format/framerate is confusing, maybe I just need to get used to it. Still missing from all of them the possibility of zooming in while video playback.... why is such a thing so difficult to implement?!? Also why I cannot stop on a frame and have a clean screen so I can check the framing...

DR improvements seem real. Battery life is quite good (or amazing compared to the R5c), overheating ok.

For video the old batteries are basically useless, no raw, no 120fps, no 4k oversampled, no SRAW... the good news is 8k 60 with full AF with the internal battery my biggest issue of the R5c. Runtime it seems much better than the R5c (I would say similar to R5), it also does not burn batteries while not recording as the R5c does, but I need to do some proper work to really judge. Herain2020 posted a video of guy that got 2h of continuous 4k SRAW with one battery.... One thing that I'm positively surprised is 2k 240fps, I thought it would be unusable, but for short section is not too bad. It has of course a lot of aliasing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMLsXrCZ0-w

I got the Camera last week, I did use it mostly for photos and video only for test purpose, but in the next two weeks I have a couple of big events and will be mostly video, and I will let you know. Two test frames, unfortunately 4k line skipped (10bit CLog2) because I run out of battery, I had to use an old one that disable most of the useful video features....

Works for me: Maybe do a factory reset and start over?

I don’t watch OF videos he is such a click-bait…. he is true rat reusing work and info from others making up rumors etc… Not saying the issues are not there but I will not watch this guy ever. I have mine customized like my R5 plus some differences due to the new features, in a week of usage I did not have issues, I have a few with the Canon App that is unfortunately kind of standard with Japanese manufacturer having poor apps although thanks to USBC support is more usable than the R5. Just out of curiosity where did you find 5 new lp-e6p battery? I can’t find any here Switzerland.

Do you use old batteries? This is when it changes my video settings as they are not compatible with the old batteries. So far is the only issue (kind of logic but annoying) that I had.

I stand corrected, contrary to what people were saying SRAW seems very good, on pair to 4k Fine (oversampled) and much better than 4k 50p (line skipped), so it is not line skipped but what it is? The guy could record > 2h continuously in SRAW.... Also, 2k 200fps seems better that what I was expecting. 100fps no improvements 😞 PS: my R5II did arrive yesterday, I will test out in the next few days and share my first impressions

RAW is normally a 1:1 pixel read out, so in case of R5 / R5c / R5 II is a 17:9 1:1 pixel read out making it 8k DCI no crop. SRAW in R5 II is 4k DCI but still no crop so it does some line skipping or similar. RAW and SRAW are 12 bits, with no processing so you can change completely the WB, Log profile, Gamut, Sharpness, Noise reduction etc. H265 is either 8 or 10 bits and it either Log or fully processed. So in theory you can post process RAW and SRAW much more than 10bit Log. Now R5 II has h265 4k 24-30 oversampled from 8k where 4k SRAW it does not seem oversampled.... so with h265 you in theory get more details with SRAW more room for post processing without the size cost of 8K RAW.

Sure, it should arrive tomorrow, sold my R5 last week.