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A cam R5c, B cam R5, 3 insta360 (R, 1 inch and GO2) and an iPhone 13 (that I truly hate for photo and video with s..ty file system, worst workflow ever)

High definition in term of "sharpness" or you mean overall image quality (sharpness, dr, noise, rolling shutter, etc)? Do you need high-quality slow-motion or not? Highest definition is one out of the 8k cameras R5, R5c, Z9, A1, REDs or BM 12k. The only kind of option in this price bracket is a used R5. 4k there are quite a bit of choices now. If you need AF, and for modelling is imo very useful, and photo, buy either Sony or Canon and a good used 24-70 or a couple of primes 35/85. Investing in the nice L mount not sure it is wise. Panny is a nice player in the photo/video business compared to the big boys. You want to move up or down in chain Panny has not much to offer with the same lens mount... so you need to sell and buy lenses. Now they finally have a better AF but they dropped in the quality....

As I read is "XF-AVC Intra Slow and Fast" not normal fps, my bet is any XF-AVC (24,25,50 and 60) will have the power saving. Unfortunately there is no 8k XF-AVC on the R5c, is either RAW or MP4.

Great, so there is still hope for LUT on RAW playback!

I wish (hope) that the power saving would be also in place when the camera is not recording as this is a real battery drain, going to "media play" solves the issue but if you forget to do it you loose a lot of battery for nothing. Photo/video switch speed is for sure good, the waveform for me is a big improvement as this small thing is hard to read, and I'm very curios to test the AF improvements especially with helmets being a normal situation in my subjects. Overall I'm happy that they try to improve the camera.

Cool, let's see how it turns out, really looking forward on the power saving mode. I wish they would also add: - Apply LUT on RAW playback. This seems so basic! - AF face tracking in 4k 100/120 - 8k 50/60 RAW with AF and IS with internal battery even if it last only 15min - Move the waveform around as you wish. - Program a button for deleting video in playback mode that requires a simple confirmation and not 300 button press...

Why would you "buy" an APS-C lens for A7IV? If you already own it maybe for video, but buying it make no sense to me, for photo is meh as you loose a lot of res and for video is questionable. Buy a good FF used lens, you will resell it with no too much loss if you want to change. I mostly buy used lens and if you find a good priced one you may end up selling for almost the same price that you brought.

FX3 is Netflix approved FX30 is not or not yet: https://partnerhelp.netflixstudios.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000579527-Cameras-Image-Capture-Requirements-and-Best-Practices#h_01G6KEYFG76GRKVMJS382H5638 I would take FX30 or FX3 over Pana S5ii for the lens selection alone.

Thanks! All frame grabs, the only exception is the last one that is a photo from a timelapse sequence. IBIS is known to be way less effective on long focal lens, not enough travel space so far back. The RF 100-500 is rated 5 stops IS and 6 stops when combined with IBIS and probably at 100mm, in practice I see zero difference other than the annoying reset that IBIS seems to be doing. IBIS should be fully lockable and independent from lens IS, then we would have the best of both world.

Regarding IBIS I can confirm that with long lenses > 100mm (70-200, 100-500) the R5 sometimes jumps (kind of reset itself to the middle) and it is something that the R5c does not do. I was filming in Alaska and the first day I opted for the R5 instead of the R5c due to the power consumption, in that environment I would not use and external battery, cables etc.. But I got a few shots ruined by IBIS so for day 2 I switched to the R5c and 6 batteries 😲 . Is definitely a special use case mine where I do film a lot handheld at 300-500mm....

Not that I personally care but the R5c is now Netflix approved. Nevertheless a firmware update that improves the standby power is long due.

Really a meh release….

And 12 Mpix only, imo is overpriced. Where are all the “R8 is overpriced because it has only 1 card” naysayer? This one has only 1 card too for 700$ more…

8k 60p DCI RAW vs 8k 30p 10bit not really a blowing away… Plus S35 6k 60p RAW… and for 2100$ less than the A1. Z9 is better priced and more competitive than the A1 for video.

Apparently Nikon is deciding which lenses 3 parties can license or not, basically only non competing lenses. Not a coincidence that these are ASP-C lenses. Not really open but better than Canon.

On the switch this is really nitpicking... R5c has the switch on the left side. R5 does not even have the switch but you need to program a button and imo is worst as you can hit it by mistake as I do sometime and I hate it. So imo on the switch R8 > R5. R7 has two wheels one for the index finger and one on the back but place much higher .... R8 has two wheels too one for the index finger and one that you can reach with your thumb on top like the R5, R5c, R3 and so on... it seems to me that the R7 is the strange one here.... if the R7 would have had 3 wheels maybe but it again it only has 1 joystick more.... I can understand that for your usage or preference you like the ergonomics of the R7 better, but claiming that the R8 has bad ergonomics is a bit of a long shoot.

Is quite surprising that so few power zoom lenses available from the various lens makers. Canon only has the 18-135 EF-S plus the PZ-E1 (that I think is even discontinued) or cine servo lenses that quite expensive. I would love to have PZ on the 70-200 and 100-500, I use a wireless ff to create a poor man servo zoom but is a big pita to setup every time.... rails... lens gear....additional batteries and cables and lastly calibration.... or use the DJI Focus on the gimbal for zoom but the same pita to set it up. One small but already good improvement would be to have focus and zoom lens gear by default on photo lenses.... Sony has a few ones with the 28-135 F4 probably the most useful on FF and although expensive more affordable that other options. Some good ones for APS-C... 18-105, 18-200... Nikon and Sigma not sure they have any...

Battery size I'm fully with you but ergonomics? It misses a joystick compared to the R7, moving the AF points with the touch screen is better for movies as you are not bumping the camera as with the joystick and is quicker so not really sure that this one omission makes it such a big deal. Andrew posted that R8 has bad ergonomics and people do not even check 😁 https://camerasize.com/compact/#903,890,ha,b https://camerasize.com/compact/#903,890,ha,t Cards got much more reliable if you buy good ones. I had 2 cards (same shitty Lexar 3400 CFast crap, no more lexar ever since then) failing in 20 years. The biggest advantage that you can store the two cards in different places to avoid thief or loss so you save backup time. But honestly if you have 1500 dollar camera budget your are probably not shooting the Olympics. Having two cameras is probably more important that two card slots. As you can almost afford 2 x R8 (or maybe even better 1 R8 + 1 R7) vs 1 R6 II it maybe the safest option if you do it professionally. One thing that most people do not know that dual cards protects of data loss but if 1 card fails the camera stops recording even if it has 2 cards.... it is bad but is like this at least on Canon. But I do agree for some IBIS + Longer battery + dual cards is more important than FF + 4k60 HQ the good thing that you can pick the one that fits you better or stretch the budget and and have it all in the R6 II or 1 R8 + 1 R7

Maybe because it can oversample a FF 24 mpix sensors at 60 fps 10 bit with full AF and can shoot 40fps 12 bit RAW pictures with full AF and AE. 40 fps RAW I believe it makes it the fastest FF RAW camera (with the R6 ii)…. just a few years ago you would need to buy a 1Dx class camera for 12/14 fps RAW…. But I finally find your problem with this camera … is not a Panasonic 🤣🤣

Completely personal feeling and not based on any fact, but I'm a bit puzzled why in a shrinking industry people would invest on L mount with basically only nice players with no high-end cinema and entry level consumers camera offering.... Currently the only two pseudo safe bet are Sony and Canon as both have from entry level to high-end cinema camera. Sony has already all in the mirrorless mount and Canon is following, plus you have REDs using the same RF mount. Nikon has the Z9 that is really really a good camera but is the only one at the moment in their line. They have also some cool lenses so maybe they bounce back hopefully. On the L mount... Leica and Sigma are really nice players for cameras, Panasonic seems to have dropped cinema cameras, how old is the EVA? and is not really a player in the photo space... Maybe DJI can push on the long term.... but seems a more risky move. If people stick with Sony or Canon and don't continue to switch they save money and get good options from lower budget up to the big guns..... the others not soo much. The used lens market is also much bigger and you can find really good deal. As EF + adapter works so well on the R cameras you can find some pretty impressive lens at attractive price. You now start to see also quite a bit of RF lenses used although with higher prices... Then L mount will dominate ad I was totally wrong.... but personally I would not bet on it.

What ergonomic issue has this camera I don't get it? Compare it to your pointed out R7 it misses only 1 joystick that for video is not super useful compared to the touch screen. I have R5 and R5c and I use the joystick rarely and only for photo. So please enlighten me on the poor ergonomics....? or maybe is not too bad that is so small and lightweight that you can use it in smaller gimbal.. IBIS, I wrote so much about the issue that it has at least on Canon cameras that I'm tired to repeat but the summary is Canon IBIS is bad <30mm and if you turn it off you lose lens IS, great between 30-100 especially on non IS lenses, and not useful > 100mm and counterproductive on long lens 400+500mm. What canon needs to do is an IBIS that you can physically fully block while keeping lens IS on.... until then is mix bag.... You are so obsess with one stand out feature but the R8 has many not seen at this price point, FF + great AF + 4k 24 super sampled + 10 bit log + good rolling shutter. I ask you one more time can you point me out another FF camera in the same price range even without your standout 4k super sampled 60? But yes in 6 to 12 months XYZ will have it all + IBIS and for 100$ less so no point in buying this.... or you are one that says great AF is useless as ARRI does not have it 😁, FF is overrated, super sampling what is for I watch on a phone only, but whiteout IBIS is carp as ARRI is 😁. I'm sure you will come with the argument that but XYZ used it has.... but you know what if you keep waiting the R8 will be sold used 😁 So R7 not full frame, really bad RS 32ms!!, no super sampled 50/60p, it is a much better release because it has IBIS and longer battery.... and yes I forget the famous joystick 😉 They are both very good camera for the price but you are not happy that other people are happy with the R8... is a bit sad... it is more than fine that you don't find it a great release but why asking other to stop being happy or praising.... "To be clear, it's not an awful release, but let's stop praising Canon because they're doing more than the bare minimum finally" If keep waiting for what comes next makes you happy good for you, but life is too short for keep waiting and complaining ; 😉 ....

I thinks R7 vs R8 is a much harder call.... R8 has FF, much better rolling shutter 15 vs 30ms "to be confirmed", 4k 60 super sampled but no IBIS and lame battery, maybe worst ergonomics but smaller and lighter.... R7 has IBIS and S35 if you need reach or want to use APS-C lenses but line skipping 4k 60 and pretty severe rolling shutter in HQ. The good news that they are both available so people can pick the one that fits their needs the most.

This exactly, for the first time you can buy an entry level FF that has great spec and will allow many people to create great content with a fairly "low investment". My only concern is the battery that we need to see some test, you can always partially mitigate with a power bank for long takes.

Are you serious? We should compare to cameras that may be released in the future and thus we should be here saying that is meh release because it will be surpassed in the future?!? Because you, alias Nostradamus 🙂, thinks that in 6-12 months there will be (and I actually hope so) better cameras in this class? But yes if you remove the super sampled 4k with no crop 24-60p, the great AF, the fast still fps, the 10 bit log, the good rolling shutter, the hybrid hot shoe, it is a crappy release... but guess what great AF and great 4k 24-60 image with AF is what many people want. I have also a prediction then, with the "next 6 to 12 months camera on the same price brackets" people can take artifacts free, rolling shutter free and noise free image, by using 0 space on the card compared to the R8 because it does not exit 😁 You don't like canon and is fine but I really don't get what is your contribution here as it not facts based and only hypothetical future predictions that does not help anybody that needs a camera today. Canon has changed a lot on the video side and most of the new release have really good video capacity with great AF: C70 4k RAW R5 8K RAW, 4k 120 R5c 8K RAW 60P with Cinema OS R3 6K RAW 60p R6, R6 II, R8 super sampled 4k 60 10bit CLog 3 R7 super sampled S35 4k 60 10bit CLog 3 Times are changed from the Canon that was not innovating and holding back tons of features on the video sides. Are these camera perfect no, are their competitive in their respective price bracket yes. Just a few years ago RP and R where really meh released for video. The fact that a 1500$ gives you most of the feature that the others much more expensive cameras give you is the good story. And let's not discuss on the stills side that for the sports/actions photographer a R8 will do better in many scenarios than 6k$ 1Dx III (and I owned the 1Dx III)

Here is listed the hybrid hotshoe and even a pic with a mic. https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/02/07/canon-eos-r8-r50-announced/ on dpreview you can see the hotshoe that has all the small pins on the back. For the same shallow dof lenses you will spend less on the R8 than R7 lenses so I really don’t get this APS-C arguments that lens are cheaper they are not.