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Talking about the AF100 is fun though. @webrunner5 still has one. But he might get worried about the latest hot trend of interactions on our beloved forum, whereas interaction would be a bit of an euphemistic term.:) Nanoflash on the F3 has brought 8bit 150mbps to the table but no real world benefit over internal regarding several accounts. At least AF100 and external recording with nano flash was tested and approved by the makers of The Raid and I don't have my own experience to question their decision over internal AVCHD. Would love to rewatch it on Bluray.

I love the AF100 body. To me it's one of the coolest looking camera bodies. Gigantic eye piece iirc. I bought my F3 partially because i found the body design appealing. Internal 8bit 420 in Slog on the F3 has a lot of mojo. Hard to believe how well it grades.

For nerds they are gems. This is a forum providing plenty space for nerdom.:) Put the mft Voigtlaender 17mm on the AF100 and it sings.

+1 for some of these older cameras really having a great look to them.  
There are lots of threads here about the older cameras, like F3, that have continued on because the image really holds up and has a certain magic to it that is difficult to replicate with modern ultra-resolution cameras.  Sadly, most people know very little about how to manipulate the image in post so have to "buy" the image they want from the camera.
Older cameras are a way to get a more cinematic look without knowing how to push and pull the image significantly in post.

In practical terms, how much difference do you think that the size / weight differences between the GX850 and GX85 makes?  Genuine question.  
For example, is there something you find you're able to do with the smaller form-factor that can't be done with the larger one?
I ask because I have the GF3, which is of a similar size to the GX850, but in many ways I see that it's too small.  Panasonic has made a good attempt at the ergonomics with little grip formations, but I find it too small for my hands, and also by the time that you add any non-tiny lens then the size of the camera body no longer really contributes much to the overall size of the rig.

In some ways I really wanted the GF3 to be passable in 1080p, but whenever I shoot with it the softness of the 1080p is too soft for me, and the micro-jitters also too much, so by the time you add a lens with OIS, you're better off with the GX85 IBIS and a smaller lens.
I must admit that this thread has made me pick up the GF3 again.  It's currently sitting with the 15mm F8 body-cap lens on it, and me in a bit of a mental loop.  
I want the GF3 to work - the small size seems like fun, but if I use a small aperture lens then I'm better off using my phone, and if I want shallow DoF or a vintage lens vibe then the size advantage disappears and I might as well use the GX85.  But then I want to use the GF3, so I lament the fact that the sensor can shoot 12MP RAW stills, but the video is so soft, and I remember the hack that I couldn't get working for it.  Then I just get disappointed about how old tech was needlessly bottlenecked.  Then a day or so later, I see it and it looks like fun, and the cycle starts again!
I shot some test videos on it using a number of different lenses, but I just couldn't get anything on it that wouldn't have been better using something else.  Maybe the GX850 is different in some way?

*"disappeared" or "were gone"- I make too many stupid mistakes when I write because I don't read it again (until it's too late). I should send all my comments through ChatGPT before. "Correct my English: "*". That's what I do when I write in French now- works like a charm.

nano flash may be a good fit for af100, because both are small. 
yeh, established dp only talk about latest cameras. as you mentioned, there are hidden gems in the old cams. 

Talking about the AF100 is fun though. @webrunner5 still has one. But he might get worried about the latest hot trend of interactions on our beloved forum, whereas interaction would be a bit of an euphemistic term.:) Nanoflash on the F3 has brought 8bit 150mbps to the table but no real world benefit over internal regarding several accounts. At least AF100 and external recording with nano flash was tested and approved by the makers of The Raid and I don't have my own experience to question their decision over internal AVCHD. Would love to rewatch it on Bluray.

Use your nano flash. It was used on one of the best martial arts films of the last decade. AF100 at its best. AF 100 spits out 8bit 422 only afaik, AF100A supposely 9bit. CineD would  already be tuned to sensors max dynamic range. That camera has mojo for sure. Friend of mine is doing some magical stuff with it. That coming from a nerds perspective of course. Established camera pros in the narrative field don't talk this kinda talk, as they don't have time or interest in debating 8bit niche cameras of the past. But I always love to. Internal Cinealta F3 might smoke external AF100 though in tech specs and quality but AF certainly has its own mojo beyond that.

Poor man / DIY from Grimor industries 🤣🤣
It's a gardener Stilh Harness (with 90° aluminum tube)  and a cheap rope ratchet with upgraded cord. 
I buy all the parts for under 100 euros and you can adjust rope length with just one hand. 
Never use the real easyrig thing, but I think the main difference is  mine has no suspension mechanism. 
 

Henry Ford said on his T-model that any customer could have any color he/she wants so long as it's black... LOL ;- )

Make sure you get one that can record non-compressed up to 84958p as you wouldn't want to be tied to any outdated format.
Also ensure it adds LOL to the metadata at the end of each recording.

None. Closest would be a 10bit Shlony apsc. So again, 10bit HLG GX camera with 4K from full sensor and perfect HD quality  for the launch price of the GX85, 799 Usd, 699 Euro. Please 😊

Do you know of any Cameras the size of the GX85 that shoot with those specs? The OM5 shoots in C4k at 200mbps in a variable bitrate; so, it should be possible but it's not 10bit.

10bit 150mbit and HLG please @John Matthews😊

I really enjoyed the GX80 when I had it. It was, in my opinion, the absolute best value proposition Lumix has ever made in the given situation in 2016. Its output still looks great in 2023 (and beyond for that matter). In 2016, Lumix had some serious mojo with this camera and I was expecting great things. Unfortunately, the ONE thing they needed to do didn't become a reality until late 2023 in M43. Let's hope they get back on the right track. The ONE thing, right NOW, in 2023-2024 is to release a M43 camera that is small, PDAF, full-sensor readout camera. It's not a priority anymore, but retro-priority, meaning it should have already been done. If Olympus could do it in 2019 in a E-M5 iii at 414g (lighter than a GX80 and WAY better EVF + WEATHER-SEALED), my expectations are under 400g and 4k 60fps or better.
I'd also be happy with a 270g update to the GX850 or LX10. I want PDAF, G100-style updated IBIS (which wasn't that bad) with full-sensor readout, manual video mode, better audio quality and better thermals (longer than 5 minute recording in 4k). Do not change the screen. Do not change the look. Don't care about 10 bit. Don't care about lack of anti-aliasing filter. Don't care about LOG. Don't care about 4k60.

[quote author=Sara link=topic=452.msg2839#msg2839 date=1332479761]We all know hacked GH2's have better picture quality than an AF100 - so if these guys can pull off a decent movie for a measly (considering) $1.1 mill - there really are no excuses these days.[/quote]

Yes, the acid test for every motion cam: ACTION. The heart of it all is in the middle between one frame (a still camera for landscapes and flowers) and 50 fps (the sunday filmers speed control): 24 fps. Can we handle speed?

But you are wrong: We always find excuses ...

Never had an EP7 but it seems pretty nice. GX85 has the perfect form factor and usuability for me. Crop in 4K allows me to use some super fun C mount lenses, as it's between S16 and mft size sensor. Used ones go for around 250 Euro. Hard to beat quality vs price ratio. GX800 manual mode for 25p sounds indeed fiddly. I would have to try it out myself but then I would just rather take my GX85. 😊

Never had an EP7 but it seems pretty nice. GX85 has the perfect form factor and usuability for me. Crop in 4K allows me to use some super fun C mount lenses, as it's between S16 and mft size sensor. Used ones go for around 250 Euro. Hard to beat quality vs price ratio. GX800 manual mode for 25p sounds indeed fiddly. I would have to try it out myself but then I would just rather take my GX85. 😊

Is this another specifications-only thread?  Or is there some point to it?
Are you looking to buy one?  If so, please provide information about what you want and what your requirements are.  If not, why are you asking?
Otherwise there's no point and it'll be yet another thread where the participants don't even agree what the fundamental goal is that is trying to be achieved, and it'll be like asking my wife about something and the only answer you get is that she wants the red one because it goes with the interior decorating.

The workflow I've found is either shoot in "4k Photo" at 30fps, which is fine most of the time. Everything will be manual in this mode when set to "M".
Otherwise, do the following:
Turn on flicker reduction to 1/50. Put it into 4k photo mode(you'll get the framing correct) with dial on Shutter priority (set it at 1/50). Adjust the exposure with exposure compensation. You can also use a grey card. Half-press the shutter button (this will be the ISO and aperture settings in "P Mode" if you hit the video record button). You can adjust a VND filter if necessary. Now, how do you get the camera to stop adjusting? Map a function button to AEL. This will lock in the exposure but only after you start recording. Your shutter, aperture, and ISO are now locked. Use manual focus with touch and lock. Personally, I've found that "4K Photo" mode works best and is the most usable, especially for 30fps if you need consistent exposure every time. Otherwise, set the desired fps and put it into "P Mode" and just not stress about it. It does a great job. Use the AEL to lock in the exposure so it doesn't change.
Prior to the GX850, you couldn't use the AEL in video mode (exceptions?, maybe GF7).

My GF3 is like this - full auto in video mode.
A "cheat" workflow I developed is this:
Put camera into full-manual mode, base ISO and 180 shutter Using a fully manual lens, set desired aperture / focus / ND to get correct exposure Hit dedicated video record button The camera will then automatically adjust ISO and SS, preferring longer SS until at 360 shutter before raising ISO above base ISO, so it will stay around the right settings.  It will still be doing auto-WB too, but you can't have everything 🙂 

On the gx800, if you're happy with 4k30p, you can use '4k photo' mode to shoot video with PASM control. Also you can use the 'flicker reduction' menu setting to fix the shutter speed to 1/120, 1/100, 1/60 or 1/50 in normal video mode.

Gx800 and Gf7 have all auto only in video iirc. So I would suggest GX85 as an answer if we are talking about a mature video mode .

I've also decided to opt out.  The problem with these engineering technical I read it on the internet types and have an opinion clowns is that they are demonstrably wrong.  
Even when you point it out to them they seem to ignore that and move onto their next tightly held narrow idea.  
They post opinions as fact and only demonstrate what they do not know or understand.  I've stopped bothering to point out their misinformation.  I think the rest of the posters here understand where they are off on their own.  
Even in the last two pages they've made some really stupid claims without understanding filmmaking fundamentals. They won't even know what I'm alluding to, but it shows that they have only a little understanding of the technology.  Just like one thought Titanic was shot HFR.  Why bother if they don't want to truly learn or understand.