JurijTurnsek

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1_ii_receives_the_external_monitor_app_from_the_xperia_pro_as_part_of_the_android_11_upd-news-47654.php

@BTM_Pix Could it also be that the kind of people that buy cameras according to YouTube reviews are really not the target audience for A1? I would consider the R5 the rich consumer amateur territory, a lot of sales to be had from them.

1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said:

Why not also make photographic dog treats called Bony? Or Dummy cameras for conspiracy theorists called Qanon? Or gender blind gear called Pan-anasonic? 

Bony got used in the 90s by a skateboard company called Blind:

https://i2.wp.com/movingparts.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/josh_blind_ad_18630503_o.jpeg

1 hour ago, gt3rs said:

From the spec:

[ii] “Hi+” continuous shooting mode. In focus modes other than AF-C, effective at 1/125 sec. or higher shutter speed. In AF-C mode, effective at 1/250 sec. or higher shutter speed, and the maximum continuous frame rate will depend on the shooting mode and lens used. 20 fps max. when shooting Uncompressed or Lossless compressed RAW.

Yes, the 30 fps is LOSSY compression not LOSSLESS. That is the compressed RAW that all Sonys did until now (A1 is the first with LOSSLESS compressed RAW).

16 hours ago, gt3rs said:

It seems a very solid and interesting release but as always devil is in the details:

- 8k max 30min... 4:2:0 only, this we know
- 4k FF is it oversampled or binned/line skipped? S35 they mention is oversampled from 5.8k but no mention for FF
- 4k 120 FF is 10% crop
- 30fps still shooting seems jpg only, still RAW is max 20fps
- mechanical shutter max 10fps, for sport with LED not great

 

30 fps is lossy compress raw. Seems like they could've done RAW video in some limited form. I wonder why they even designed the sensor to capture 8.6K and not a simple 8K image like Canon did. Seem counter-intuitive.

1 hour ago, Dunjoye said:

Good news is it's a phone and should depreciate rapidly, it would e worth half the cost this time next year. 

I won't, this is not a mass market product.

Dpreview showed an impressive multi-frame stills capture at 64mp. Does anyone know if the same can be combined with the panorama (so making a pano of 3x3 stacked 64mp images)?

@Andrew Reid Here you go: https://www.gsmarena.com/antutu_scores_suggest_iphone_12_chipset_is_downclocked_gpu_is_slower_than_on_the_11series-news-45835.php

I am disappointed that the A14 chip is only 5% faster than A13 and Snapdragon has now overtaken it. Never thought this would happen.

The bigger 12mp sensor is now on par with S20 line, but all S20 models get it, not just the biggest one. 5G is non-news ... when was 4G not fast enough?

I do like that they are sticking to their guns and keeping the trio of lens modules, just making them better iteratively (not the ocean of useless combinations in the Android world).

the lens can be swapped, so a 3rd party could produce a narrower lens

The newly announced Xperia 5 Mk II looks like an even better phone - 4K120p with HDR (Xperia 1 is getting that with and update) and a smaller, more manageable screen size and same size battery (cameras are the same as with Xperia 1):

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_5_ii_launches_with_61_120_hz_oled_display_same_hardware_as_the_xperia_1_ii-news-45321.php

Dunno guys, I mean are you capable of producing the amazing footage that GoPro continually puts out for their new products promos? At this point I think that the product is extremely mature and there is no need to upgrade every year, just like with smartphones. The one thing that is missing and that is technologically possible is 4K120p (Zenfone 7 does it with this small sensor).

Yes, from a shareholder's POV GoPro has missed the opportunity to expand into other product categories, but as a consumer I don't see them bringing a lot of added value to anything else.

7 hours ago, Amazeballs said:

Its much wider than 24mm, its a fisheye and is around 16mm. No comparison here. Though I do hate fisheye personally. 

I mentioned cropping in. I know how wide the lens is. Looks like it can go to 34mm.

20mp bodes well for the updated HyperSmooth 3.0 and also for a bit of cropping and still keeping that 4K pixel count. I don't know how to calculate this, but if it can got to a 24mm FOV, that would make it a great Osmo Pocket alternative (which has a 28mm lens).

On 9/10/2020 at 6:59 AM, kye said:

It's a good thing that GoPros have smaller sensors and can implement the higher resolutions/framerates before the cameras with the larger sensors can.

Oh, hang on...

48mp sensor could give good pixel-binned 4K, but I doubt 8K from such tiny sensors will be usable Ć(better than 4K) anytime soon.

Sony should've gone with a wide prime kit lens with a plastic build to keep the cost down and used clear-zoom on the 24mp sensor for video zooming.

I really like the A6XXX series look, but they've could have had added a microSD slot for a backup card (how many times would you even have to remove it?).

The price does look steep for what seems like a new spin on a A7III. I'm guessing it will also get the postprocessing EIS tech from A7SIII.

So, I was wrong and the R5 really is an unicorn. It's just that Canon decided to break some of its legs. Ouch.

1 hour ago, Nezza said:

Exactly. A high end camera released in 2020 with 12M, not cutting it for many. I don't know why you'd accept it at that price point. These are marketed as hybrids - not solely video.

You guys are forgetting that iPhone is still being praised for it's photo/video chops and that is 12mp as well (along with most of smartphones still).

On that note, Sony should use the very fast readout mode to offer some kind of very fast HDR mode that all smartphones are capable of (and HEIF of course).

SAR went into rabid rumor mode and is not even bothering labeling the level of trust in the received information (even when coming form new sources).

We already have the most important info - low MP count, optimized for high frame-rates, continuous recording and not a R5 copy. That should suffice for any decision making between the two.

Can't have a small weather-sealed body and not have it overheat at these insane recording modes. They made a conscious decision and the market provides alternatives. You can't have a breakthrough video resolution and no heat - maybe in 5 years, but not now at the first generation. This camera is a fantastic tool, but it is not an unicorn.

The Canon of yesteryear might have left these feature off the table and released a conservative product, but this thing will probably push the whole market into a higher gear. Take the good and be aware of the limitations, no one is forcing you to buy this.

As far as sensor go, there is a simple rule of thumb - the less pixels you have, the higher the readout speed, the lover the RS. Until there are global shutter sensors in these bodies, the compromise is always going to be there.

CPU heat becomes an issue with downscaling i.e. 6K to 4K, but reading 24mp at 120fps is just not going to happen in a fan-less body with usable RS at this moment.

So, as a no compromise video-centric body, there is little choice but to have 12mp if you want to offer very high framerates with no crop and possibly RAW.

Now, the pricing can still make or brake this camera. It shouldn't be priced as an do-it-all hybrid.

The fact of the matter is that in 2020, 4K RAW with no overheating would be much more useful for many professionals and the high resolution sensors should be given to specialty lines and not the workhorse FF body.

Now you have a superb stills camera, that will suffer from sub-optimal 4K modes and a "halo" 8K (RAW) mode that is going to be to burdensome for a lot of users to take full advantage off.

1 minute ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Always thought why cameras with flip screens do not use the back part of the body (exposed when the LCD is flipped) as a passive radiator.

Because some idiot would burn their fingers and sue.

How is this even a topic of conversation for a GM lens? When have 1st party top of the line lenses ever been affordable?

Just be glad that Tamron, Tokina and Sigma have improved immensely since the 2000s and their lenses are now a top notch alternative at a reasonable price.

We could also debate the big difference in 12mm vs 14mm and also the (not) needing the extra stop over the excellent 12-24 f4 lens, but E-mount users are now spoiled for choice in wide angle lens department.

We all know Sony has all the ingredients to make a killer body if they just add a fan and not intentionally cripple it. Hopefully, COVID-19 and R5 lit a fire under their (management's) ass. But I remain highly skeptical - this interview reads more like "don't jump ship to R5, please!".