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56 minutes ago, Mokara said:

Since there are 8K TVs out there, and likely increasingly so in a year or two, yes, people would shoot in 8K.

There is actually a governing body that confirms whether or not a TV panel has the advertised 8K pixels, so many panels might not even resolve the advertised 8K. Also, you'd need to sit incredibly close to the panel to even see the difference:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2018/10/28/dont-be-fooled-8k-tvs-are-a-waste-of-money-for-most-viewers/#260a35f93036

So, are you going for a smooth 4K workflow with "reasonable" files sizes or are you going to go mad rendering all the pixels no one will ever see?

One question remains unanswered - hype aside, would anyone here even use the 8K mode, if there were a downsampled 10bit 4K mode available in this or some other body with good AF and decent color? Think a7III sharpness, but with a decent 10bit codec and color you find pleasing (and also at least 60p, possibly faster).

A well fed camera operator has steadier hands, of course.

Have to add: Fuji should provide an FW upgrade that would record the gyro data in a separate file to be used for stabilization of any video recording mode in post processing, where you can fine-tune it clip by clip. Can any software accept such input data?

7 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Drat! Limited to HD. Probably has a bit of a crop too when "digital gimbal" is turned on?

Oh well.
 

Good APS-C HD footage is still equivalent to the best 4K smartphone footage if you ask me. If you look at it this way, the whole package is pretty good.

On 1/18/2020 at 9:32 PM, Andrew Reid said:

I just got a Mate 30 Pro.

Very large sensor in the ultra wide camera, for a change. Quality is very good but colour can be hit or miss, prefer naturalness and consistency of the iPhone

Remember it's not all about specs!

Of course it is not. GSMarena reviews clearly show that behind the amazing specs, there is average image quality for many Huawei phones (and other brands). However, limiting the reach of a very innovative OEM theoretically lowers competitiveness and the consumer can be fed the same products generation after generation.

Either way, I value the more versatile zoom range in a device that is not meant for video work, but rather for documenting your life.

Anyway, Samsung S20 Ultra will be a (costly) beast and it will be release globally.

Canon is now trying to innovate hard, since the shrinking market could now change severely. However, don't read too much into the technology in a huge brick that is the 1DXIII. Fitting all that into a mirorless body is more than an exercise in willpower.

If you look close enough, it becomes obvious no brand has the perfect tech that they are crippling intentionally - Panasonic lacks PDAF, Olympus lack continuous PDAF, Canon lacks good downsampling and a middle tier codec, Nikon basically has everything, but needs a more reliable continuous PDAF, Sony desperately needs more efficient encoding (looks like their new sensors are still balancing readout speed/mp count ratio as none can do everything perfectly). Fuji is now the closest to perfection and the next generation will seal the deal, if you don't need FF. Sensors tech seems to have plateaued and these brands are very slow to upgrade the overall feature package.

Smartphones finally doing the extreme wide angle to long telephoto that a single sensor fixed zoom lens camera could never do:

If only Google Play services were reinstated to Huawei phones ... it is going to be an interesting flagship year, considering this and S20 Ulitra:

https://www.gsmarena.com/new_leak_shows_huawei_p40_pro_premium_edition_will_join_p40_and_p40_pro_have_10x_zoom_camera-news-41083.php

https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/06/02/panavision-lcnd-first-look/

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The main reason that the LCND needs to be used in a matte box is that both Sony and RED own several patents in relation to putting variable electronic ND in a camera.

Also this:

And the fact that ignoring the 180° rule is essential for good EIS, which is a HUGE selling point for smartphones right now (and with good reason, shaky footage sucks).

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The main reason that the LCND needs to be used in a matte box is that both Sony and RED own several patents in relation to putting variable electronic ND in a camera.

FFS

Can anyone find a reason why this tech is not used for some innovative variable NDs (smartphones or any other camera equipment):

https://www.engadget.com/2020/01/03/oneplus-concept-one-teaser/

9 hours ago, Mokara said:

The 48 mpx sensors are older and consequently probably perform less well. 

Resolution is always important. You can make an image softer in post if that is what you want, but you can't recover resolution that has been dumped due to the sensor design. The "sharpness" setting in cameras is simply a debeyering parameter. With 4 separate inputs per pixel you potentially can calculate the true color of a pixel more accurately after debeyering than what would otherwise be possible, hence less color error at edges (in other words, less halo effect), which in turn would increase the color resolution of the sensor. You would not need to turn down sharpening in camera as much to avoid color artifacts at edges, basically a better raw image to work with than conventional sensors.

No-crop video capture has been a very prominent feature of Sony cameras (up untill a7R VI and a6300 respectively). A crop factor for a standout feature (120p) sounds like shoddy product planning in a video-centric body, unless they use those additional mpx for EIS (beginning to sound like a broken record here). Maybe the APS-C crop mode would be atrocious with the 48mpx Quad Bayer and is acceptable with the 60mpx.

7 hours ago, plucas said:

Latest 1DX Mark iii rumours:

• DPAF in 4K
• No crop in 4K
• External 5.9K RAW recording "still on the table"

Good to know they are still deciding on how to cripple the software side of very powerful hardware.

Oh, for crying out loud. I know what a Quad Bayer sensor is, no need to explain. Sony has 60mpx and 48mpx FF sensors on offer and to create a 15mpx Quad Bayer sensor, they had to redo the 60mpx sensor. What the hell stopped them from doing the same to their 48mpx sensor that would then output 12mpx and provide no crop in any readout mode.

Also, coming from reviews of mobile phone sensors, Quad Bayer offers better sharpness and no gain in low light over a conventional 12mpx sensor. How does the higher pixel count affect the read-out speed? Is the binning done on the sensor itself? Highly doubt it. Increased sharpness is not cinematic as per this forum, so why would Sony pursue this in their video-centric body? They should at least give the option to output 8K to an external recorder if the pixels are there.

10 hours ago, androidlad said:

It has to be 1:1 readout for speed, it can't supersample 4K in 120P.

You misunderstand me. What is keeping Sony from making a 48mpx (12mpx output) sensor that does 120p with no crop. Who even cares about the additional 3mpx, unless there is some important reason behind this choice.

8 hours ago, androidlad said:

60MP with 2 x 2 binned bayer = 15MP

15mp 1:1 4K readout = 1.3x crop.

Indeed, but why? What good are the extra 3mpx in no-crop mode? I really hope they implement some killer EIS, since Sony has been lagging in that regard.

Also, why increase the mpx count to 15  if you are going to crop to 12mpx area for 120 fps? Hopefully, some kind of incredible EIS is being implemented?

On 12/13/2019 at 10:47 PM, androidlad said:

We all know what it is.

 

Paper says Quad Bayer pixels, yet there are only 15mpx of them? Seems weird. Shouldn't it be 4x as many pixels? Also, you claimed that this tech was licensed only to mobile phone chips?

11 hours ago, nickname said:

I'm afraid the only one looking like an idiot is the person who claims to have opened a factory after he got a tour at a plant that has been running for years. 

Couldn't invent it. Who needs comedians when we have trump? 

This is no laughing matter. Psychologically speaking, the first sentence counts the most ("Trump opened a new plant"). Even if you got everyone to read an explanation on how this is not true at all, the vast majority would still believe he did something good. In reality, most won't even bother reading anything past this sentence and his reputation grows even bigger. Basically, the same thing that Apple does all the time at their presentation. No details, just wild claims and the fans are appeased.

I shouldn't be surprised, but in typical Chinese brand fashion, Xiaomi half-assed another release. With 5 photo modules you now need a small booklet to understand which modes are available for which one and that is just pathetic (and the video quality if bad across the board).

I am looking forward to S11, since Samsung tries to keep up with Apple by making their flagships a more polished product. I am willing to spend the extra money, since Xiaomi's always come with a big "but".

Samsung S11 should be even better (periscope zoom lens, albeit not really bright aperture), but at this price Xiaomi is hard not to recommend. Since the camera module is thicker, the phone has to be as well and there is a lot of space for a beefy battery.

The big news for Xiaomi Note 10 / CC9 Pro is that their telephoto module will actually feature 1.4 micrometer pixels 12mpx, which is bigger than basically all of the telephoto modules out there (using 1.0 micrometer pixels). And does that tiny marco module even count as anything? I mean how many times is someone going to use it? Not really worth the cost of adding it in. Hopefully, no flagship OEM adopts this gimmick.

Who could've predicted that Sony would be pushing an entire generation of camera bodies with old sensors with improvements everywhere else. I mean, this still looks like quite a good upgrade and the mk III will become an even better bargain, but sensor improvements have been Sony's hallmark for a while now.

15 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Here is -- just don't expect @4K as seems:

 

That is actually decent. Not that I would ever need it, but still. This Realme looks like a beast, but the AndroidAuthority review slammed it's low light performance. Waiting for the verdict from GSMArena.