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3 hours ago, Shirozina said:

You don't 'need' an IR filter but it just may help in certain situations.

I guess if you’re only shooting overcrank at high shutter speeds. Once you’re shooting at ISO400/24p in the sun, you will definitely need one. From my experience with the OG pocket, the color was just better with an IR cut filter on all the time, not just when using NDs.

1 hour ago, graphicnatured said:

Luckily most of us buying this cam already owned the OG pocket, which was much worse with IR pollution so we can solve it easily.  

Was it really worse? I mean the Iphone was producing more accurate color. 

If Black Magic or anyone for that matter would have addressed this with the original pocket, you wouldn’t have seen brown footage for the first year and half. 

2 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Sorry pals but complaints on IR pollution and vignetting?! Are you kidding me?  When we all know there's no OLPF there as so many other cameras?! Use a filter and stop the nonsense please : )

BTW is this the first time you've seen this one here? ; -)

 

No complaints about the IR pollution, but this needs to well documented. It would be nice if it was in the manual. Multiple people have said it was no longer a issue and I haven’t seen any tests. 

What percentage of OG pocket owners even know about IR filters? You know most people are just worried about which ssd mount to get for their cage. ?

14 hours ago, jbCinC_12 said:

I believe so.  The Pocket and Sigma 18-35 - a match made in heaven, I think.

It looks like it vignettes with the speed booster though?

11 hours ago, Shirozina said:

It's easy to make the better camera look like the worst one in the grade by crushing the blacks. 

What blacks? They look brown to me. ?

Interesting that people have claimed the IR pollution is gone. You can see it right there, clear as day. Has anyone else tested this?

1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

Well this is pretty damn interesting.

 

Yikes. IR pollution is definitely still a problem with this camera. You can clearly see it at 3:58. This can lead to all kinds of weird problems with the image, but most noticeably problems with black fabrics. 

31 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Would be hard to tell the two cameras apart if they were not side by side. I sort of like the SSD solution of the BMCC over the new PK4. But you can buy the PK4 used for probably the same price. I would take the PK4.

Well there are no extreme highlights. I think the way it is graded helps too.

2 minutes ago, tonysss said:

Thank you ,the world needs new stories and not new cameras ?

The world needs less brown looking Black Magic Design footage. Flash backs to when nobody knew you needed an IR cut filter.

5 hours ago, Mako Sports said:

I feel like unless you really need that RAW internally, the EVA 1 is better in every way except auto focus ?

Purely image quality wise, the C200 or C300ii just looks way better though. The skin tones are close to Arri. It depends what you shoot I suppose.

1 hour ago, Jonesy Jones said:

Not sure if you guys have seen this one yet. It's long. Skip here and there through it if you like. I've personally shot a LOT in the desert. This is what it's supposed to look like. I shot with multiple different cameras including the BMPCC and it looked very similar. Personally I think this camera is all it's cracked up to be, the physical quirks aside which will eventually get remedied.

 

I agree this does look really clean. I think the flat grade also gives it more of that look that a lot of people associate with the bmpcc, but that's not really where that camera thrives. 

What's happening here with the highlights on the hood and the sky through the tree edges? Chromatic Aberration? Blue highlight bloom on the power line too.

6 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Both dual native 400 and 3200 ISO coupled to ETTR and you are just fine. Have no worries anymore about it : -)

No complaints about, circumstances vary. It will also depend on your shooting style and last but not least, subjects to shoot for sure. Obviously. But, if you want to protect your highlights, you'll have enough DR room from your clean shadows to go on ETTR : -)

From the looks of it, shoot in nothing but 400 or 3200 ISO. Why even have those other ISOs available if they produce such gross looking highlights?

52 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Indeed... nuff said, Dual ISO talks : -)

Crazy. I hope this is why there is so much harsh highlight clipping in most of the videos I have seen. Is there an ISO200? What ISO are most people shooting? 

39 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Oh look, it's another slowmo video.

And more blob highlights. It’s not the camera though. ?

1 hour ago, Emanuel said:

And an interesting match... : -)

 

Looks amazing until you clip the highlights.

I’m surprised so many professionals use copyrighted songs... ?

41 minutes ago, helium said:

This thread is aggravating enough to revive the dead....  You do realize you're grading a grade, not camera original?  There's no way to know how much original highlight detail was in the shots, because current levels are baked in.  It's like trying to grade a bluray and concluding that 35mm stinks, because you can't push the highlights without clipping.

 

It's a 10mb 4k png still... Yes, I think a lot can be revealed about the image when raising the gamma slightly. The file is basically flat anyway...

7 hours ago, Snuff said:

Blackmagic pocket cinema camera 4k test (lowlight) with Panasonic 12-35 f.2.8 first gen (4K DCI Raw Lossless iso 1250 f2.8) shot with only one photography guide light + soft box

 

Looks really nice, but when you bring the levels back up, you start to see those highlights that I keep seeing in the P4K footage. If you add a bit of a shoulder, you lose detail but it smooths out the highlights. You probably lose a stop of DR as well. 

I'm not a colorist, but the c300ii I use often looks closer to the version with the curve, right out of the camera. I find the OG pocket to similar in that regard. The highlights have a lot of roll off.

2 hours ago, tonysss said:

Thank you, the sample DNG already contains high cliping, left down in those lights, any manipulation with ISO will no longer help with this overexposure.

The dynamic range is definitely worse than the old pocket and, unfortunately, the colors, I have been doing a lot of adjusting DNG and ProRes from my old pocket for a long time so I know what it can do. that color noise in the shadows is unpleasant.

 The colors are much worse than the old pocket! it helped me in that I definitely will not sell the old pocket ?  Thank you.

Agreed. I haven’t seen any RAW from the P4K that looks better than even the 1080p ProRes from the old pocket. ?

18 minutes ago, webrunner5 said:

Really shows off what Raw can do with the PK4.

 

6 minutes ago, tonysss said:

exactly the opposite ?  I bought BMPCC recently and I prefer it before my GH5 for DR and Color

BMPCC for shooting people document, music video, film (BMPCC will not forgive you, you have to learn the filmmaking craft, nothing slowmo YEP ? 

last work https://youtu.be/Pk_Qyuy_r5M

I use GH5 for shooting event, wedding, (Run&Gun situation)

Better looking footage than any of the BMPCC4K I have seen. 

I recently rebought the pocket as well. You need an external battery and the IR Cut filter, but once outfitted, the camera is really excellent. 

So much better than the BMP4K thread. This was great.

6 hours ago, Kisaha said:

I am not sure why everybody keep comparing it with the GH5. 

Same sensor. Similar specs.

25 minutes ago, Shirozina said:

When the scene lighting contrast is  greater than the DR of the camera clipping is inevitable - on any camera. 

Sure, but we’re talking about this camera and those highlights don’t look so nice. The original frame was posted to rave about the DR. I don’t see it. 

I am fairly certain that even a c100 in log would handle that better. 

17 hours ago, Deadcode said:

The dynamic range is impressive. This shot is waaaaay underexposed and still "just" ProRes. But it can be lifted easily

 

I can’t believe that the highlights clip that hard on a clip so under exposed. The handling of highlights are what kills this camera for me. The OG pocket had so many flaws but the image was not one of them. 

I think the GH5 might have an upper hand with the baked in color profiles as well. I always impressed with the files straight out of camera with then GH4. Has anybody been messing with shooting non log footage? Can you bake in LUTs to the BMP4K? 

1 hour ago, Snuff said:

Watch this video and stop saying that Pocket4K is not сinematic. In the hands of the master with taste and good lenses, even the GH5 is beautiful. Otherwise, it is too early for you to have such a camera, learn to shoot first

Shot on GH5 using Lomo anamorphic and spherical lenses (50mm roundfront and +1 +2 diopters in a few shots). Graded with FilmConvert using KD 5207 Vis3.

 

 

Really nice looking piece. It should be noted that it really helps that every shot in this piece is either a sunset, silhouette, or some sort of low split light setting.

The really great thing about the OG pocket camera is that you can get that cinematic look in the middle of the day, overcast, or even indoors. Watch this, shot with the pocket and 16mm film and you’ll see what I mean. Very vivid looking images. 

It will be interesting to see what people will create with th new pocket. Hope I can be proved wrong. 

1 hour ago, DBounce said:

ProATV did a shoot using the P4k

 

This footage looks A LOT like the GH5 to me. The OG pocket doesn't clip like this? Could be post processing I suppose. Looks pretty gone to me.