sgreszcz

Well, that ‘update’ saved me some money. I had the original LX100 and loved it except for some funny colour and, bad evf, and not so great iOS. Was hoping for a mini gh5 to go with my real gh5, but I guess I stick with my gx80 as travel cam for a while longer...

Do you suggest the 400 Mbps 422 10 Bit All intra 25 fps (1.9 MB per frame) or better to just use the 10 bit FHD All Intra 200 Mbps codec if you don't need 4k?

There are some on Amazon that can do the DC conversion from a USB power bank.  One of them has a dual feed so you can switch packs without using power.  As long as you have a 3A AC/DC USB converter you can hook up to main power.  Pity they didn't enable power through the USB-C connector.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B075ZS8X2X

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07CBMLKFS

On 8/1/2018 at 1:49 PM, Adam Kuźniar said:

You might also consider the Laowa 7.5mm f/2

I use the  PL15/f1.7 and the Laowa 7.5/f2 (and the 45-175 zoom) with my GX80 as a very small travel package.  All lenses have the same 46mm filter size, so I used the same step-up to my 58mm NDs.  On the Laowa, I get some obvious vignetting due to my filters and magnetic adaptors - will look at that for next time. 

I have an example when I'm walking with the 7.5mm using the GX80 IBIS - I was carrying a lot of beach stuff and probably could do better.

Here are some unedited (4k 25fps 1/50s shutter, AWB) screen grabs shooting Cine-D from the 15mm (first 4) and 7.5mm (second 4).

On 7/22/2018 at 7:12 PM, stv said:

Hi @anonim, thanks for your kind feedback! I'm really glad you liked it. Overall, I think the vintage look worked out ok in this case. I'd like to go back to Japan later this year and hopefully get some clean footage like yours (beautiful place and shots by the way). Do you find the IBIS in the GH5 good enough for getting smooth footage? I'm wondering if it's worth upgrading from the G7 or getting a gimbal instead.

Hey @stv - I really liked the video.  Much more creative and artsy than anything I can produce.  Gave me a good feeling of what you saw and never having been to Japan myself, everything felt modern/familiar but very different and alien.

I agree with everything that @mercer says about IBIS in Panasonic and Olympus cameras.  The Panasonic is pretty good now, and the Olympus is outstanding.  I switched to Panasonic from Olympus a few years ago when the GX80 came out with IBIS as I wanted the better video quality for a project that I was shooting.  I just got the GH5 with 12-60/f2.8-4 with OIS as I was looking for a single-camera solution with a better EVF.  I'm pretty sure the G85 would be good enough for what I do, but I got a great deal on a used GH5 in the US.  I shot a carnival event with just that and the dual-IS worked great.  I also just travelled with my GX80 (first gen Panasonic IBIS) and could get away with walking / moving carefully with my wide Laowa 7mm/f2.  I also shot a lot with the same camera and 45-175PZ with OIS.  The footage was quite stable (shake wise) even using 1080p 2x ETC mode (350mm) - no jitters but hard to keep frame from "swaying".  I'm quite happy with the shots that I got.  Now I just need to find time to edit and share.

Like @anonim I have a Crane (M) that I tried with my GX80.  It does great for adding stable motion, but it is not my style.  I prefer a much more minimal setup as there is too much messing about and things to carry.  (I mostly do event stuff or shoot family stuff when I have time on holidays).  I'm just a video enthusiast (with another day job) that does small docs or events, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

On 7/11/2018 at 12:14 PM, anonim said:

@nigelbb

Thanks... I'm personally little bit tired of endless discussion of the same technical tips - so I thought it would be more interesting to see them in some unpretentious, uncontrolled actions with artistic touch, at least in the season of vacation... Actually, it was interesting weather for me, being able to filming during all day with diffuse light and without ugly harsh shadows - while I was not occupied wiht long swimming ... As I wrote in youtube comment, it was GH5 with Voigts 17.5 and 42.5

I really liked the vibe of your video and the feel with the diffuse light.  Seems like more of an autumn/winter scene than summer .  I'm Spain right now with my travel kit (GX80 + 15mm/1.7, 7mm/2.0 and 45-175mm powerzoom), although most of the video will be of my kids doing stuff - not sure how artistic I can make it - ha ha.  I should try as people like Martin Wallgren do (linked) so I guess I need to try harder.

How do you handle the outdoor/bright daylight scenes to get the shallow depth of focus with the Voigtlanders?  Do you just up the shutter speed or use NDs?  I have the same combo, but don't travel with them because of the wight and since I don't do much night stuff (small kids that get up early) I don't really need the large aperture.

9 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

The question is how big and how expensive would this be before you wouldn't want it, if you even want it at all? (currently its part of my controller system but I've already ported it to a small micro controller to have it be a standalone as well).

The other question is would you want it within a lens adapter solution anyway rather than it being front mounted (as per the Lens Throttle EF to MFT) so it could be an electronically controlled version of one of those ?

I would love something like this.  I've spent too much already for VNDs (make people/video look quite matte/flat) or solid NDs (Breakthrough Photography) but need to pop them on/off with zume magnetic adaptors and only in 3 and 6 stops, so have less control of aperture/exposure.

I'm still not sure why panasonic doesn't have an electronic ND built into their cameras like some of the higher-end sonys.

On 7/3/2018 at 5:35 AM, fuzzynormal said:

After shooting with the GX85 and the GH5 following my EM5II phase, I still miss that camera.  In a practical 'get-it-done' way (for me) it can actually do more than the 4K LUMIX cams.  I don't tend to go crazy regarding superior IQ (which the GH5 offers, btw), so I suppose I make excuses for the OLY cams.  Sure they have flaws, but what the do well, they do really well.

Was considering the EM1-ii and EM10-iii (both 4k) for A/B(travel) cams.  Better EVF, nicer colour out of the box, better stabilisation.  However the GH5 with the 10-bit, 4k60fps, HD1080fps, ETC-crop mode, and ISO100 in video are really great features. 

Was shooting both the GH5 and GX80 with CineD and the same VND.  The GH5 at 4k60fps, 100 ISO, and 180 shutter.  Nice trick to need less ND.  Next time, I'm going to go back to the Breakthrough Photography 3/6-stop NDs like I normally use as I think the image is more life-like than with the Heliopans - especially for something like a carnival.

On 6/17/2018 at 6:23 PM, fuzzynormal said:

It's a cheap one.  Zomei.  Adds hue to the mix, but whatever, one lives with it.  I can shoot outside in the sun at f.95 with it.  No hard stops, but that's okay as I'm often adjusting exposure during a shot (when one tries to capture candid doc stuff, the camera just keeps rolling).  My issue is the extra layers of glass really does flare alot and it does knock down other details.  But that's true on whatever VND you use, or any stacking of glass.

Yeah, it's a GH5, for whatever that's worth, with (mostly) a Voightlander 42.5mm.

Hi fuzzynormal,

How do you get such a wide aperture (0.95) with your VND?  This weekend I shot an outdoor carnival event in the mid-day sun.  With my 12-60/f2.8-4 and Heliopan 0.3-1.8 (six-stop) VND I was at around 50% to 2/3 strength on the filter.  By the way, I liked the promo above.  Pretty nice, smooth movement despite using only the GH5 IBIS.  Do you notice much difference between the GH5 stabilisation and your old E-M5ii?

I've been going back and forth between using a fixed breakthrough photography 3 or 6-stop filter with xume magnets, and the heliopan VND.  The breakthroughs definitely seem to have more life in the shots and good colour, but you need to vary the aperture to get the right exposure. The VND definitely makes the image (especially people) look flatter or more "matte".  I've been thinking of trying those new aurora VND on kickstarter as they go a little bit darker and maybe I can get away with larger-aperture primes.

Always tradeoffs, as I wish the 12-60 had a wider aperture on the long end for easier shallow depth of focus.  I used to like using the 35-100/2.8, for events but sold it with my second GX80 and bought a used GH5+12-60 to try and do it all with one camera.  Maybe next time, I'll be brave like you @fuzzynormal and shoot the whole event with my 15/1.7 or 25/1.4 and rely on the GH5 4k ETC mode + 4k->1080p cropping in the edit to get more range...

I've only just started editing, but I think that the Heliopan VND is keeping the colour quite true.  I shot Cine-D with either auto WB or "sunny" and applied the Leeming LUT as a start.  The vectorscope shows fairly good skintones.  (Although I can only go by scopes as I'm colourblind).  I think that I might push the saturation a bit and see if the colours of the costumes pop a bit more...

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated!

On 6/18/2018 at 7:13 PM, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

@sgreszcz I have a Crane M, never messed much with the default settings, use much heavier lenses with my GX85 and it works ok (albeit rarely do the movement that you are describing). 

Did you manually balance the gimbal with the camera + lens combo? When I started playing with it, incorrect balancing even sometimes shut down the motors. Correct balancing and "resetting" the gimbal - there is a (somewhat complicated) procedure for it in the app that seemed to help.

After a while, when I got the hang of balancing it fast when changing lenses, no more problems. I recommend to put a very small Arca clamp (I used one like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/FC-25-Quick-Release-Plate-Clamp-Adapter-for-RSS-Arca-Swiss-Benro-Tripod-Ballhead/382455971141?hash=item590c26fd45:g:JP8AAOSwG~ta1b6X) since it helps the balancing (and take the camera out) without much weight.

Hi Marcio, thanks for the reply.  I just re-updated the firmware, re-calibrated the gimbal and now is is not juddering during tilt/crane shots (up down).  

Can you explain the three modes to me?  When I start up it is in pan mode where you twist the handle and the gimble moves in that direction slowly.  When I press the button again, the gimble seems to keep the camera in the original position as I move the handle.  When I press it again (the second time) I'm not sure what it really does differently.

Also, if you have any links to videos or whatever that show how best to practice shots with a gimbal, I'd appreciate it.  What do you do for exposure when mounted on a gimbal?  Auto exposure?  I'm worried a bit if I'm in a mixed sunny/cloudy situation.

@jonpais or anyone else - Hoping you can help me with my Crane.  I just got the Crane-M to use with my GX80 and small primes (Lowa 7.5mm, PL 15/1.7 and P42.5/1.7) .  all the weights are around 500g which is under the Crane-M capacity of 650g.  

I've updated the firmware and played with the settings, including light, medium, strong motor weightings.  The crane seems to be working great, but I get judder in one axis when I try to do "crane" shots.  For example when I'm holding the camera in an upright mode with two hands and I move it into "flashlight" mode and then "crane" up to an upright position again.  It judders in the vertical axis.  When I'm in inverted mode the crane doesn't judder when I do a "crane" movement.  The problem with inverted mode is eventually the rear crane motor will get into the field of view of the lens.

Also, can anyone explain what the three "modes" are good for?  I find when I click through them sometimes the crane goes sort if into an "off" mode where the camera is back in balance but the motors are no engaged.

Thanks or any help!

Stephen

OK, I RTFM and it looks like C-AF doesn't work with VFR, so I guess the best I can do is 60fps and bringing down to 25p in post.  Looks like the 179 angle trick works to "fix" 24/25/30fps autofocus.

I'll give it a shot tomorrow and see what happens, but if anyone with experience with fast objects moving towards the camera could share their settings, I'd appreciate it!

Cheers.

Does anyone know what VFR (if any) that the C-AF will work in?  I'm hoping to capture some accelerating athletes, so would like to get AF working in this case...

I would only upgrade my gx80 if the viewfinder was better. Too difficult to manually focus with EVF even with peaking.  The GH5 I just got is significantly better, as is every Olympus since e-m5 including the vf4 on my old pen cameras.  Shame panasonic hasn’t  implemented in-recording punch-in focus.

That being said, I do love the size and image quality of the gx80. You can pretty much shoot anywhere without being noticed.

The main advantages for me using the GH5 are the IBIS is significantly smoother (like olympus quality) with the PL12-60, the EVF is miles better, and the slow motion is outstanding. I was shooting Olympic halfpipe slowmotion 180 and 100fps (in 1080p ETC mode) with the 12-60 and 100-400 (at 1600 35mm equivalent) and the fact that I could actually even do so hand held is insane.

58 minutes ago, jonpais said:

Shoot a snapshot of your screen so we can see. Only other thing I can suggest is to reset camera to factory default and start over.

@sgreszcz you are aware that you can move the histogram wherever you want, aren’t you?

Hey Jon, I did some more googling and found that it was a combination of last having been in VFR mode and having limiter being off that made it stuck - even if I was in photo/‘A’  mode. Anyway, disabling vfr, turning limiter back on allowed me to turn off audio meters.

i knew I could move the histogram, but I’m always used to it there

i think I have this camera mostly set up and now I just have to get used to all the extra buttons, joysticks, and dials compared with gx80.

Another strange thing is that ETC mode disappears at the higher VFR modes...

13 minutes ago, jonpais said:

@sgreszcz did this happen after loading the camera settings I sent you?

I tried your settings, but I needed to change a lot of them so I've reset the settings for what I want for this week at the olympics  (C1 4k 50p, C2 1080p VFR).  After that I went back to set up my photography settings under 'A' and for some reason I cannot shut off the audio meter display - weird..

Your settings, Griffin Hammond's video about GH5 settings, and Caleb Pike's GH5 course helped me understand what is different above and beyond the GX80/G7/GX7/LX100 that I've had experience with.  I'm still not sure to shoot natural between my GH5/GX80...  I spent a few hours on the plane to Korea trying out the settings.  Strange that AF gets disabled for VFR > 100fps for some reason.  I don't use it exclusively, but it is nice to have S-AF+M focus to get the focus close, especially for fast moving things.

Stephen

Does anyone have the problem where the "display audio monitor" is greyed out and can't be shut off the display?  This is even happening in "A" photo mode and the audio meter is overlapping the bottom left where I have the histogram.

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

It is a little surprising and a little sad when I see so many comments like this.

Because we're all media creators here, yet we're totally unaware of one of the biggest media creators on the biggest media platform of them all?!

As Logan Paul was one of the biggest vloggers of 2017, his content has billions and billions and billions of views across all the platforms.

For all the obsession this forum has about Casey Neistat, he is small fry next to the Paul brothers.

Next people here will be telling me they don't know who PewDiePie or Jon Olsson are....

I guess I don't watch the right youtube (or enough) since I don't know who any of those people are except Casey Neistat.  Then again, I probably cannot name any "famous" person these days as I don't consume much popular culture.   I do watch a significant amount of video creation content and technical tutorials on youtube so as someone above said you get what you watch. 

The problem for me is not my own personal filter but the recommender algorithms being polluted by spambots and all sorts of weird shit being served up to kids who don't have the wisdom to filter.  Thus, all the informative content that I have access to is off limit to my kids (at least in my house and my control).  TV was bad enough with constant commercials pushing crap (never regretted my TV license fees to mostly avoid that minefield) but youtube is a continuous series of unboxing videos or commercials.  Once that and the weird stuff gets in front of young eyes and into the brain, thats it for good - no erase.

No way to filter except to turn it off.  Shame.  At least with the plain-old internet you can do a decent job using the right search engine, web filters, and DNS servers.

16 hours ago, Germy1979 said:

If you've ever suffered 5 minutes of Youtube Kids, your "algorithm" statement is completely correct.  Watch Sonic the Hedgehog drive Lightning Mcqueen off a skyscraper 1500 feet onto a farting velociraptor with breasts and Don Johnson loafers...  while "Daddy Finger" repeats in the background. 

Yeah, this.  I can't believe that for some reason I thought youtube kids was curated.  How naive was I considering I work with data and algorithms (although for very dull purposes).  As soon as I started seeing weird stuff pop up in the "what to watch next" and read this article (about how the spammers game the algorithms) youtube was gone from anything my kids have access to.  Shame as there is potentially a lot of good educational content there (I've learned a lot about how to shoot video there), but impossible to filter.

https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2

From the article: 

"As someone who grew up on the internet, I credit it as one of the most important influences on who I am today. I had a computer with internet access in my bedroom from the age of 13. It gave me access to a lot of things which were totally inappropriate for a young teenager, but it was OK. The culture, politics, and interpersonal relationships which I consider to be central to my identity were shaped by the internet, in ways that I have always considered to be beneficial to me personally."

...

"Someone or something or some combination of people and things is using YouTube to systematically frighten, traumatise, and abuse children, automatically and at scale, and it forces me to question my own beliefs about the internet, at every level. "

8 hours ago, Christina Ava said:

us being born at internet BC and our kids being born with the internet as a "nanny" at internet A.D., my son doesn't watch tv. I have limited his access to youtube after the daddy finger crossover Dino crossover Lighting mcqueen autism inducing videos drive him insane as mentioned above. We filter the crazy, its sad that the next generations view these things as tame. Not at all shocking anymore

I've had to delete Youtube as have not had luck filtering within Youtube itself so have had to delete/block except for on my work machine and my and my wife's phones which are locked.  Too much weird crap that keeps popping up.  Any tips would be appreciated...

On 06/12/2017 at 6:04 PM, fuzzynormal said:

FWIW, just in general, I've been quite underwhelmed with Pany's implementation of Dual IS from other lenses as well.  A big fat "meh."

Which is why I'm tempted to just go back to the E-M10iii now that Olympus has 4k video.  The Olympus IBIS is really that much better than Panasonic's (at least base on my GX80 experience compared to the E-M5ii) and Olympus has better viewfinders in their smaller cameras too.

6 hours ago, leeys said:

Ah, there're two versions. Thanks for the info. Amazing that the newer lens is worse than the old one.

Wow, I can't believe that Panasonic got OIS wrong in video with the first 35-100/2.8 lens and then fixed it starting when the GX80 IBIS came out and now it seems as though they've broken it again with the new 35-100/2.8ii.  That is a double-shame as the 35-100/2.8 was a lovely lens for stills.  (I've just gone and sold my 35-100/2.8 v1).

Here is a video I did with the 35-100 lens when I first got my GX80 and compared it to my G7 and Olympus OM-D E-M5ii.

On 22/11/2017 at 3:36 PM, mercer said:

I did get a chance to mess around with his E-M10iii and there are a few quirks that are kinda silly. For instance, you have to go into the menu to change WB, the meter doesn’t show up on the screen in Video mode unless you hit the ISO button and then it will only be on screen until you’ve set ISO or dismiss the screen. Also the focus peaking is amazing but you have to keep pushing the button to enable it.

The Muted Profile is really nice. I’d say the IBIS is better than GX85’s and the 17mm f/1.8 Olympus lens is awesome... it is so tiny and the manual clutch works great.

Thanks for the feedback!  I don't remember those quirks or the peaking working like that when I had the E-M5ii - I thought it kicked in automatically when focusing.  The weak EVF and the wobbly GX80 IBIS is why I'm making a move.  I prefer the size of the GX80 and E-M10iii to the GH5 or G9 however I have a documentary to finish (winter sports / olympics related) and want to upgrade my camera for that.

I did have the O17/f1.8, and loved that lens.  I'm using the P15/1.7 and find it quite good too for manual focusing and the aperture ring.

On 22/11/2017 at 5:27 PM, PannySVHS said:

Here is a trailer for my shortfilm I shot end of summer. It´s shot with the GH5 in 8bit 100mbps with natural profile. So should be similar to what a G85 can deliver if using its UHD mode. It´s a pity that not many people are sharing their shortfilm efforts on the web or not shooting any. I remember the GH4 launch and along with all the slomo, flowers, walking backs of heads, there was a variety of interesting and inspiring fictional shortfilms, pieces of fictional filmmaking.

Little sidenote, my G6 video I posted above was kind of a concept quickshot for the shortfilm this trailer is from. I must say I am still very fond of the G6. But color rendition of the newer bunch of Lumix cams is impressive, when graded. So even more a pity, that the newer Lumix cams don´t seem to inspire to shoot shorts as much as they are used to film documentaries, webcontent, fashion ads,  imagefilms, and stuff like that. Some wedding films with the GH5 are super impressive. Would love to see that in the fiction shortfilm area.

 

Hey, I really like the look of this.  As for fictional short films, I wouldn't know where to start.  Maybe my kids will have some ideas some day

On 11/11/2017 at 7:41 PM, mercer said:

My friend picked up his first 4K camera the other day, the E-M10 Mark iii and even with its measley 4 stops of IBIS, I found it better than the GX85’s. And the color was fantastic... so organic. The E-M1 Mark II has 5.5 stops, so that camera will probably have IBIS as good, or better than the advertised 6.5 of the G9. Olympus IBIS is pure insanity. I saw a video from it and it looked like steadicam footage even while walking.

Yeah, debating two EM-10iii to replace my GX80s as I want better EVF and the Olympus colour which I prefer.  I was about to pull the trigger on the GH5, but the size puts me off a bit.  I might wait for the replacement GX camera to see what Panasonic offers.  I'm in no rush and don't have any projects on but have been contemplating selling all my lenses and going with the new Olympus 17.5/1.2 and 42.5/1.2 lenses and the 12-100/4 for outdoor run-and-gun.  Simple hybrid solution.

On 11/11/2017 at 7:41 PM, mercer said:

My friend picked up his first 4K camera the other day, the E-M10 Mark iii and even with its measley 4 stops of IBIS, I found it better than the GX85’s. And the color was fantastic... so organic. The E-M1 Mark II has 5.5 stops, so that camera will probably have IBIS as good, or better than the advertised 6.5 of the G9. Olympus IBIS is pure insanity. I saw a video from it and it looked like steadicam footage even while walking.

Yeah, debating two EM-10iii to replace my GX80s as I want better EVF and the Olympus colour which I prefer.  I was about to pull the trigger on the GH5, but the size puts me off a bit.  I might wait for the replacement GX camera to see what Panasonic offers.  I'm in no rush and don't have any projects on but have been contemplating selling all my lenses and going with the new Olympus 17.5/1.2 and 42.5/1.2 lenses and the 12-100/4 for outdoor run-and-gun.  Simple hybrid solution.

I did a 40-minute doc with two GX80s.  I'm not a pro, and mistakes were made, but I got paid and the clients and those who were involved with the project and who saw it really liked it.  The main feedback was that they often forgot I was there (invisible), the kids and other interviewees were comfortable in front of the little camera, and the quality of the image was much better than they expected.  All the a-cam was shot handheld except for interviews and I was able to get pickup shots in locations where I really didn't have permission to shoot video (museum, only stills with no flash allowed).  

Would love an updated GX camera with better EVF for manual focusing with some of the GH5/G9 features.

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

Nope. Only the Sony cameras allow this. Not even the Panasonic GH5 lets you do it.

I'm still not sure why Panasonic cameras (or Olympus) haven't implemented this, especially now with the increased CPU power. in the cameras.  All the Panasonic cameras can punch in  before pressing record with a simple click of a wheel.