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awesome!!!!! what a great review. andrew i love your writing style and this was filled with great information thats super useful to me and my new rx10m2 

i have owned a few cameras over the years (anybody remember this?) and the rx10m2 represents many firsts for me

its the first camera ive owned that i have ~any~ intention of shooting stills with that has a fixed lens, or a sensor smaller than +/- super35mm. if you wouldve told me three months ago that my next camera was going to have those characteristics i would have laughed

but when i realized that this brand new “bridge” cam could be a [relatively] inexpensive point of entry to shooting slog2 to see how much i like using it, i said why not~! because im very interested in the performance of the a7rii, and the upcoming a7sii, but im also interested in all the alternatives for the varied advantages they may provide.

anyway, some salient points which i personally appreciated:

•  rx100iv magfilter, how interesting~! good to kno

• calling the 1080p the best youve used for the money is a big compliment! and your simile about a small sensor fs7 is just the thought i had when i first starting shooting 120fps with it!!…. its like a lil baby fs7 with a small sensor that i have with me~! no ones bringing an fs7 anywhere because its fun to carry around lol

• thanks for underscoring the 240fps being so good. i havent shot above 120 yet due to fear of quality loss and lack of time to experiment, but ill be sure to use it soon~! awesome  

• re: low light, didnt know i could raise the iso for slog2 above 800  hadnt even tried ive been fighting with color in slog [a topic for another time, frowny face]. thanks for the heads up

• agree the 4k isnt impressive per se, but its my first 4k camera so it is for me in all those ways lol. a world of possibilities. but yeah, the 1dc for example annihilates it in terms of resolving power. its like night and day

• the continuous af in movie mode is so bizarrely awful that i couldnt figure out at first IF IT WAS ON OR NOT. when i realized it was i had to laugh such garbage. james may on lsd lol
• "Too many 'cannot do this’ messages”  

ok i think you get my point that i liked this weblog entry (tbh reading it at work was the most fun ive had all day smfh). also im sorry that i didnt make posts complaining about the wait for the second part of this article; ill try to bitch more in the future 

 

I have the 1Dx + 5d3 and did some film with it. Footage is better on 1dc , but I get very good quality with A7r2 as well. And I see you have problem with stable footage, guess why. To stabelize handheld it is much easier when you can put the EVF to your eye, use stabilise lense and  in camera 5 axis stabilisation. Else you have to fiddle with a loop, take it off when shooting stills. For 90 % of your stills, you will get better quality with Sony, except the extreme action picture one takes where extreme AF is absolutely crucial- 

1Dc is a much clumsier solution the the Sony alternative.   FYI - I will keep the 1Dx for extreme sports/wildlife  with my tele lenses. But change all normal photographing (and of cource video) to Sony as the picture quality is better, less heavy etc.  

PS I have invested some time in grading competence and there is no problem to get what I want- 

I do the hard work in Resolve then just apply the LUTs and don't fiddle with anything afterwards. That makes for a much quicker edit. It is tempting to tune each shot isn't it? Shouldn't be necessary. A LUT can be consistent and give you the same look for everything. It also helps to use manual white balance. Most shots need tweaking due to the wrong colour temperature rather than the wrong exposure.

Just updated my body today and shot a good deal with it tonight.  Everything seems fine.

• Increased continuous maximum shot counts
•    - 15fps JPEG : 70ea → 90ea
•    - 15fps RAW  : 20ea → 25ea
• Added Video DIS (except 120p, VGA size video)
• Added AEL at M mode,  ISO Auto setting   - This is a big one for me...finally!
• Added Focus Peaking menu in button setting menu
• Improved AF to work during zooming 
•    (6 Supporting Lens : 16-50mm S, 50-150mm S, 16-50mm PZ, 18-55mm Ⅲ, 12-24mm, 50-200mm Ⅲ)
•     ※ Please updated Lens together with Latest version
•        Lens Firmware can be updated by iLauncher
• Add Flash Exposure info. display on Live view Live view (when Flash is ON)
• Improved battery display to show both internal & external remains together when vertical grip is mounted
• Improved Playback speed of photo
• Improved sound quality of external Mic. (only for Auto MIC Control OFF)
• Overall fixed minor bugs

Of note from my experiences tonight - I had the DIS enabled just for the hell of it - turning this ON will make 1080p120 unavailable in the video menu.  Took me a minute to figure this out as I was shooting with a dumb adapter + Canon EF glass.

 

With the 1D C it just looks right on one of the standard image profiles and C-LOG takes about 5 seconds to grade.

thanks a lot for posting this shawn

i downloaded your clip –– an astounding amount of true detail and rich color

pulled the frame grab into photoshop to add a bit of magenta and yellow in the color balance..... wow at those canon skintones i gotta say. if i can ever get slog2 to do this ima start a blog lol

the subtle modulation in the faces of the five children closest to the camera definitely reminds me of canon raw.... amazing

 

I'll probably just get depressed if I download the footage (compared to the stuff I can produce), but even the framegrab is very impressive. I have started using the  4k photo mode on the panasonic lx100 a bit, and while it is impressively good as well, it doesn't look as good as this...

Just curious.  Why so wide?  Not typically cinematic at that short range.  Not knocking it, mind you, just wondering if you like that look better or if you're doing something wide-specific.

Yes it is 20 years of cutting edge modern colour know-how, the accumulation of 15 years of CMOS sensor development and the 1D X all rolled into one hell-of-a-cinematic beast.

It kicks the arse of the A7R II for colour.

Whenever I am handling the Sony material in post there is something I have to do to make it look better. Never spent so much time fiddling.

With the 1D C it just looks right on one of the standard image profiles and C-LOG takes about 5 seconds to grade.

Yes, I believe all the EF-M43 Speedboosters and adapters work with AF now.

g7/gh4 do also get close to full frame for stills with the speedbooster ultra (1.28x crop factor I believe?). Probably take canon glass better than the nx1 too(?)

I've definitely been enjoying AF on the GH4 with my canon glass. Wouldn't count on it for non-repeatable moments (sports, weddings), but it fares well in most situations. 

Thanks Andrew for the info - it's really crazy, the camera has so many great and logical aspects, but Sony still finds a way to make things complicated.  This limitation means i can either have a proper magnification mode for video and can only shoot 36MP photos, or i have a limited magnification and can shoot the full 42MP photos.  Or i have the best photo resolution and the best magnification, but can't frame right before recording a video!    To make things more difficult, Sony wants us to buy several functions like the timelapse mode from their playmemories store which right now offers ca. 30 apps that could be installed on the camera.  I would understand that for special applications, but not basics like a timelapse in a 3500 euro camera. 

So far, it sounds like it's going to be fine for the video hobbyist, like me, but problematic for professionals doing long shoots.

When it comes to still shots, the same is true.  Bulb mode drops to 12-bit and activates spatial filtering.  Orange peel noise, lossy RAW which stinks with high-contrast exposure pushes, etc.  Blah. 

It still ends up as the best FF all-arounder, but with some significant limitations that everyone just needs to be aware of.

NX1 4k is pretty damn good according to people much less biased (I own it) and much more experienced than me. Samsung has been very good about timely firmware updates and should hopefully continue that into the future with added features, similar to how the GH4 has a new log mode. That 16-50 S lens is usually $1200 alone so that seems like a very good deal. The color and the quality of the 4k is definitely the camera's best feature. 

It does however use h265 encoding that hasn't been integrated by most editing programs, and you'll have to use a converter like Rocky Mountains converter to use the footage. I can't even view the clips in VLC without it hanging up. So, added time until the h265 catches on. The camera has a few bugs left in it, but like I said Samsung has thus far been very good with firmware--the only firmware problem being it erases all your settings every time you update it. The lens selection past the 16-50 S is pretty limited. There were rumors that lenses would be revealed late 2015 or so. But just rumors so far. I do wish the OLED screen on it could pivot to view from the front instead of just up and down. Using LUTs or FilmConvert, there haven't been any profiles or lut packs for the NX1 yet if that matters.

 

Canon has perhaps only one very significant advantage over the the A7RII- color science. Sony does OK with natural light and full spectrum indoor lights (though Canon & Nikon are better), however they really have trouble with LED and fluorescent lights (spikey color spectrums). Looking forward to seeing A7SRII studio portrait stills to show what it can do with the best indoor lighting available with skintones.

While we can make the A7S look decent for video, the 5D3 is still the go to stills camera for people and skintones (and less work for video when shooting H.264 (though a bit soft compared to the A7S). 5D3 RAW smokes the A7S in every way except resolution (not by much), slomo, and lowlight (DR difference isn't a big deal- it's easier to deal with 14-bit linear RAW and highlight recovery vs. 8-bit Slog2)). When Sony starts working on and promoting their 'new updated color science' we'll take another look at Sony cameras for stills and video.

The ability to push the exposure up is not the only element of high image quality, there are at least 10 I mention here. http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/7864-what-makes-a-high-quality-image-the-technical-aspect-of-image-quality-in-camera-systems/

yet, somehow shadow dynamic range is the most important element in image quality now for everybody for some reason just when Canon started lagging behind in that particular side. In fact, having a higher shadow DR alone is now sufficient for ''smoking'' all the others.
 

 

@NTBLOWZ

it appears there are two types of sound. One constant humming even if IBIS is off and the slight rattling of the IBIS adjusting when it is on. The hum is very constant and it really resembles the sound of a fan. 

Update:

Got heat warning at around 25 minutes of rec time in 4k FF mode. It finished up to 30, then I swapped the battery as it was down to 6% and resumed record. The heat warning was gone. The battery change was performed very quickly. This is giving me hopes that the heat issue is in part due to battery adding heat in the body and this can be perhaps remedied by using a battery grip, or a battery dummy / external battery solution. 

quick update before the full test:

Overheating seems to be less in FF mode. I've reached the 30 minute mark without a heat warning in FF mode, whereas in S35 mode heat warning was reached at about 15 minutes and the camera shut down at 20 minutes. IBIS was on for FF test, but camera was resting on the table.

The overheat issue has got me extremely concerned... considering this was the run and gun canon dslr 4K killer, if it overheats on a doc or live shoot it is essentially a flop of a camera, but thats just me. Reliability honestly is the top feature for me.