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I'm in the same boat here.  Should I save money and pickup a C100 mk1 and then a 5D4 later in the year or go for the C100MK2 and pickup a 5D4 in the Spring next year.  The C100 would mainly be regulated to tripod/monopod event work in lower light situations.  Anything in daylight outdoors/run and gun would be tasked to the XC10.  

7 hours ago, gelaxstudio said:

You judge something without a detail review and now judging me? A load of piffle

I did not seeing any professional review evaluate the lens on rx10 as trash,but reviews like thecamerastoreTV and cinema5d did shows the xc10 lens is just a plastics toy,and you trying to compare a plastics lens with a metal lens and said the metal one is shit?

Dude,you are so fanboy than I can be ,one without brain

You judge something without a detail review and now judging me? A load of piffle

I did not seeing any professional review evaluate the lens on rx10 as trash,but reviews like thecamerastoreTV and cinema5d did shows the xc10 lens is just a plastics toy,and you trying to compare a plastics lens with a metal lens and said the metal one is shit?

Dude,you are so fanboy than I can be ,one without brain

You judge something without a detail review and now judging me? A load of piffle

I did not seeing any professional review evaluate the lens on rx10 as trash,but reviews like thecamerastoreTV and cinema5d did shows the xc10 lens is just a plastics toy,and you trying to compare a plastics lens with a metal lens and said the metal one is shit?

Dude,you are so fanboy than I can be ,one without brain

The lens isn't plastic.

I've just finished filming a short film.  We used 5D Raw, A7s + speed booster, GH4 + speed booster, and the XC10.  The best looking and "organic moving" footage in my opinion came from the 5D Raw and the xc10 in 4k.  The a7s was the 3rd best and the gh4 was the sharpest "out of camera".  We could have comfortably shot the whole thing on the XC10.  

Unsharpened ungraded CLOG frame grabs. Having a 1 inch sensor is no hindrance for a shooter like me...i own multiple cameras and i light my shoots.  I'm invested in canon gear, it uses the same batteries as the 5D3, has good battery run time, doesn't overheat and captures excellent video quality that compliments 5D Raw. I don't have to carry around a 25lb camera bag with various lenses and accessories to be able to shoot dynamically with the xc10.  The only accessory I carry is a variable nd filter.  I like to minize rigging as much as possible and I don't want an xlr input on this form factor, a rode videomic pro is good enough.  The only thing i would like is a constant f/2.8 and true DPAF.  I wouldn't even bother with a C100-300 if it had those 2 features.  

More ungraded frames of CLOG + Variable ND filter of me testing the cam on a poor trapped dog.  

In camera sharpness test.  There was a slight error with the video clips.  The first 4 clips are with sharpness to the max and is too sharp...but the rest is with sharpness set at +4.  This should put to rest the idea that this camera is a soft 4k camera.

On 4/14/2016 at 9:59 AM, Mattias Burling said:

They have been using it for quite some time with great results. Definetelly shows a segment where the camera is great.

This is mainly a "film maker" forum. But we sometimes seem to forget that not everyone of Panasony and Canikons customers are. 

Some are videomakers like Jared and some are still photographers, again like Jarred.

Thats why I sometimes have an issue with the "only an idiot would..", "thats crap because..." and "why does Canon..." type of attitude on every single product that doesnt also serve as a perfect tool for shooting a narrative movie.

Kept my word and returned to the XC10.  I love it.  The first time I had it i didn't play with the setting enough to learn how to shoot with it properly.  It is an awesome little camera that is very underrated. Here are some stills created from its 4k clips.

 

4 hours ago, Jimmy said:

"Continue to die" ... talk about over statement!

You do realise that the report also says they made a PROFIT of $360m .... Profit, not sales, not income... Profit.

Why do people throw out all logic just because a brand hasn't made the indie camera they want? Yes, they need to diversify, as both the camera and printer businesses are taking a hit due to mobile and internet tech, but they are still a massive company with fingers in all kinds of pies. They are still head and shoulders the pro choice of still shooters and have a heavy involvement in pro AV too. They are beginning to get into the niche imaging markets and no doubt have involvement in stuff like 3D printing and mobile sensor tech.

They might be making less profit in one quarter (you know, 3 months), but dying... haha.... I think people actually want it to be true too, just because they haven't sunk as low in price as Sony and Lumix. Imagine that... wanting a huge brand to die out, just because they don't make the camera that ticks your very specific set of boxes. God love the internet.

"For January-March, operating profit dropped 39 percent to 40.1 billion yen ($361.4 million), the company said. That missed the 67.74 billion yen average of five analyst estimates, according to Thomson Reuters data. Canon said it now expects full-year operating profit of 300 billion yen, lower than a previous forecast of 360 billion yen."

They made $360 million when they expected to make $605 million.  I'm not saying Canon is dying but looking at the imaging systems...a 33% profit drop is not in a favorable direction to be moving.  We'll see that happens next.

Quote

 

Q1 operating profit falls 39 pct, more than expected

Office equipment, compact digital camera sales slump

Firm trying to diversify away from consumer cameras (Adds segment breakdown, context)

TOKYO, April 26 Japan’s Canon Inc on Tuesday reported a steeper-than-expected fall in first-quarter operating profit on weaker demand for office equipment in emerging markets and slower global sales of compact digital cameras.

The world’s biggest maker of printers and cameras also cut its outlook for the full year ending December.

For January-March, operating profit dropped 39 percent to 40.1 billion yen ($361.4 million), the company said. That missed the 67.74 billion yen average of five analyst estimates, according to Thomson Reuters data.

Canon said it now expects full-year operating profit of 300 billion yen, lower than a previous forecast of 360 billion yen.

Quarterly operating profit from office equipment, its biggest segment, fell 38 percent from a year earlier while profit from imaging systems such as cameras fell 33 percent.

To reduce its reliance on cameras, Canon agreed to buy Toshiba Corp’s medical equipment unit for 665.5 billion yen last month. The deal followed the purchase last May of 85 percent of Swedish video surveillance firm Axis AB.

The company, which earns about 80 percent of revenue overseas, said the yen’s appreciation in the first quarter had a negative impact on earnings.

For the rest of the year, it said it expects the U.S. dollar to trade at an average of 110 yen compared with a previous assumption of 120 yen.

Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-says-q1-profit-hit-by-weak-printer-camera-sales/#ixzz46w2A73OK

 

Pretty significant drops.  Seems like Andrew has been dead right about Canon all this time. 

I have both. 5DMK3 Raw is very stable with the right cards.  I cannot go back to 8bit for anything except long form events.  The RAW work flow is really not a hassle and it's much like the workflow for handling RAW images. DNG creation is easy with the 5D raw files and from there its the same experience as editing blackmagic DNG files in Davinchi Resolve. If your looking for a raw camera for only video then I would recommend the Blackmagic Pocket ONLY if you purchase a speed booster to go along with it.  With the speed booster you will be able to shoot on par with a 5DMK3 in low light situations. The only weaknesses of the Blackmagic pocket is the chance of moire, poor battery life, horrible audio preamps(only remedied by using a videomic pro with +25 db set).  5D raw weaknesses, poor in camera playback and much shorter record times while using raw.  Below is some 5D Raw footage I shot at 2 weddings in 2015 scaled up to 4K. 

Saw the suggestion about uploading in 4k vs 1080 for YouTube for better results and wanted to give it a shot.  I think it works pretty good.

Below was all 5D raw and the last half was shot with the XC10.

Are you using an external thunderbolt2/USB3 RAID storage setup or is it all internal ssd?

You may want to hold off and check this new gimbal out from DJI.  I'm thinking about selling my Ronin M for this.
http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2015/10/08/dji-launches-new-650-4k-handheld-steadicam-to-make-your-movies-as-smooth-as-hollywoods/

5D3 Raw is not that difficult to work with at all today.  There is only 1 step (MLV conversion) ahead of it's RAW workflow and it's easy.  Now that you have Davinchi 12 out and MLRAW viewer,SlimRAW, or Rawmagic it's so easy.  Also with Lossless Compressed cinemadng RAW files you save a ton of hd space.  Every time i get footage from it I love it.  Just don't use it for shooting events or long continuous recordings.  

Ok...now I'm definitely going to add this to my camera bag after seeing more footage.  

​Interesting....I'm going to try to add sharpening to some of the footage i have and see what the result is.

Behind the scene​s 4k footage shot on the XC10. Doesn't look bad...but doesn't look 4k to me.

Canon should knock off $1000 on the XC10. ​It's not a bad camera but I feel that it is too soft for an image @ 4K.  I don't think it looks bad....but it doesn't wow you like the detail and clarity of GH4 4k footage. 

​Here is a 4k version.  

I'm inclined to agree with tugela's appraisal of the camera for the most part.  Most of these shots were over exposed and relied on the auto focusing system to pull focus.  I wish I had more personal time to shoot on it during the wedding vs the lesser experienced shooter because if not properly exposed the footage will be softer than normal...but not h264 soft.  You have to set the ND filter and then dial in the exposure and ISO and it's not intuitive.   It's no where near as sharp as GH4 4k footage.  I also agree with the Johnnie Behiri review of this camera in that you have to fiddle with it to get the best footage out of it.  I don't dislike the footage but I definitely would not recommend it as a primary camera.  

I rented the XC10 to use to supplement 5D Raw and the Blackmagic Pocket cam on a wedding shoot this past weekend to see how it would preform.  It was used mainly on the DJI Ronin M and handheld in some instances.  I have a ton of footage from it. Some in 4k and some in HD.  
- First lol...the lens does NOT slide out if pointed straight down  
- Clog is my favorite shooting profile.  I would not bother with the others.  It grades pretty well. I had a semi newbie manning the XC10 while i shot on the 5D just incase there was a issue with magic lantern.  The auto focus worked well however the guy filming with it did "not always properly expose".  So there was some blown highlights and I was pissed.  Clog surprisingly allowed me to pull some of it back to an acceptable level in post .  When properly exposed the camera can capture some really nice images.  
- Low light was not 5D level but it wasn't terrible either. 
- HD is really nice and sharp.
- Audio was recorded with a Rode Stereo Videomic X
- Lightly graded in Adobe Premiere CC
- Some audio is muted for privacy
- 4K compressed down to 1080 starts @ 5:00 - 6:30

Here some of the footage from it.

​No sure about the PC.  On Mac I use RawMagic drag and drop to convert MLV or the Raw file in to DNGs.  Very easy.  If i want to preview before converting....I can use MLV viewer to playback, grade and export the MLV file to either DNGs or or mov format and grade in Resolve lite.  It really comes down to your system on how easy it is.

Guess no one bothered to look at the video I posted earlier. It seemed to work well for that guy.

Agreed.  I think people will be surprise at how well this camera preforms.  I remember when the C100 came out and everyone trashed it's image.  I'm definitely going to pick one up vs Frankensteining a blackmagic 4k micro...which after you add the cost of out lens, monitor/recorder....is pretty close to the XC10's price point, not as compact, and needs longer setup time to shoot.

https://vimeo.com/124969658​

And just when I was about to write that camera off.....ZERO complains on that image quality. 

I like the XC10.  I don't always want to fumble around with a large camera and tote a bag full of lenses around with me.  This could hold me over until the 5D MK4 arrives.  

Looks like a great camera feature wise.

Excellent....this is exactly what a canon rep at CES told me would happen.  Much more sensible pricing.